- Post
- #451040
- Topic
- When did Star Wars stop being fun? (aka, the Anti-Correct Viewing Order thread)
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- https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/451040/action/topic#451040
- Time
Probably at the moment they played the new song in ROTJ SE. lol
Although I would say after rewatching Jedi a few times--its with that movie that SW went downhill.
Everyone complains about the ewoks but its the characters--they are really one dimensional.
No edge.
Han Solo--ruined.
Leia-no authority or wit.
Lando--wow he really joined the rebellion fast didnt he? Missed opportunity--at least show us him and Han having a little chat after rescuing him.
Yoda and Obi Wan--not their finest moments.
After much thought I think I would have preferred that Lucas had gone with his other option--that Vader wasnt a mindslave of the Emperor but had his own will and reasons to be on the Dark Side-and he was competing for Luke-that he wanted to overthrow the Emperor.
I loved the Emperor in Jedi-such a great villain to hate-but I think it came at Vader's expense.
I loved how Vader turned on the Emp at the end-I still get goosebumps from that moment--but here's the thing, Luke was turned into a rather wimpy character. The whole thing was simplified.
In ESB-it seemed that the story was moving towards some kind of confrontation or rivalry between Luke and Han over Leia--(I really hate the "you're my sister" angle--no matter what Lucas says now-its clear that was not planned in 77 or 80--same with Vader being Luke's father).
And the visual look of ROTJ was repetitive and dull compared to SW and ESB. It just didnt have that grand scope of the other films.
I am not sure how I feel about Han Solo being killed as I heard recently was being considered originally--its hard to see how that could have worked unless they freed him at the start and maybe he was tracked down by Jabba's heirs in some kind of blood debt...I dont know. Once Ford did Raiders his stardom changed things--but I still have problems seeing how he could have been killed after being rescued.
I think the Jabba palace scene went on a long time and I find it a bit confusing--in ESB Lando and Chewie search for Boba Fett--and will contact Luke-and their rendyvous is Tattooine--doesnt that mean they already know where Boba Fett is going? My initial assumption was that Jabba was not on Tattooine (before the SE of course) but somewhere else more exotic (not sure I would have wanted to revisit Tattooine--or the suggestion that this big gangster lived on the same backwater planet that Luke was on). But I digress..
Boba Fett was ruined as a character in ROTJ(even more so in the SE).
I think Leia should have been made Queen to give her something more to do.
Anyway i can watch ROTJ and still enjoy it but the whole thing has been tainted.
Some people have said SW was really about optimism but I dont think so---there was quite a lot of killing and dark stuff even in the 77 movie-people were living under a dictatorship after all--in Raiders he made Indiana Jones guilty of statuatory rape-deliberately.
I think the OT movies were a coming of age story--teenagers, young adults, then adults.
I think Lucas changed the story from being about Luke becoming a jedi to redeeming his father which i think reduced its potential(despite the charm of the idea).
Anyway-if there was any expanded universe I might have wanted to see-it would have been the adventures of Han Solo and Chewbacca.
Otherwise I dont really care to see that much of the universe explored(especially after the prequels!).