AwesomeJ

AwesomeJ said:

TristAndShout64 said:

Alrighty you beautiful bastards– it’s time for yet another update. I’m very happy to say that after just ofer a year of zero movement, despite what I said the other day, we will FINALLY be seeing some progress very soon!

First of all, to the mods of that one server on that one app– that was very rude of you, and you need to take a time-out (or let me back in please).

More importantly, my print-holder over in Australia has stated that he will get the print shipped in the next week or two– it turns out he’s had a bit of trouble securing cans to put the cores of film in, but after recently messaging him he’s already ordered a set which is already being shipped to him. He’s said that he’ll send the films out as soon as possible after he gets the cans.

As I have before, I must apologize for the lack of updates– life’s been all over the place, anxiety’s been at an all-time high, and I’ve been trying my best to balance it all (which is why SOME particular individuals in power should show a bit more sympathy perhaps). The fury of being called a grifter pushed me to up my assertiveness, which I’m very happy to say has led to some honest-to-goodness progress.

Stay tuned for more updates– I SAID I’d give them when I had more to say!

Cheers,
Trist

Will the reels get cleaned or will this get skipped? Seriously though, I’m really happy things are moving along, can’t wait for the thing to get scanned eventually!

TristAndShout64 said:

Alrighty you beautiful bastards– it’s time for yet another update. I’m very happy to say that after just ofer a year of zero movement, despite what I said the other day, we will FINALLY be seeing some progress very soon!

First of all, to the mods of that one server on that one app– that was very rude of you, and you need to take a time-out (or let me back in please).

More importantly, my print-holder over in Australia has stated that he will get the print shipped in the next week or two– it turns out he’s had a bit of trouble securing cans to put the cores of film in, but after recently messaging him he’s already ordered a set which is already being shipped to him. He’s said that he’ll send the films out as soon as possible after he gets the cans.

As I have before, I must apologize for the lack of updates– life’s been all over the place, anxiety’s been at an all-time high, and I’ve been trying my best to balance it all (which is why SOME particular individuals in power should show a bit more sympathy perhaps). The fury of being called a grifter pushed me to up my assertiveness, which I’m very happy to say has led to some honest-to-goodness progress.

Stay tuned for more updates– I SAID I’d give them when I had more to say!

Cheers,
Trist

Will the reels get cleaned or will this get skipped? Seriously though, I’m really happy things are moving along, can’t wait for the thing to get scanned eventually!

Don’t know if anyone here has seen this but here’s an italian 35mm trailer for the film that I found, granted its not scanned and its recorded off of someone’s camera. Just wanted to post it because it has a bit more footage than the theatrical trailers posted by FT Depot and others. https://youtu.be/WipbOJ0C5bc?si=8jXlpYDffn6SzPXI

TristAndShout64 said:

Hey y’all!

Updating to assure you guys that this project is not dead. I haven’t posted much both because of my own life getting in the way and just because there haven’t been any real updates to give, but Valeyard still has the print and will hopefully be able to send it soon. As someone in his server I can attest that he’s insanely busy, hence why it’s taking him a bit of time, plus this isn’t the only print he has over there that he needs to send out so he’s got quite a bit to take care of.

We’re over a year in since I first posted, so thank you guys for being patient. Hang tight, I promise I’ll let y’all know as soon as more progress has been made.

Yee haw,
~Tristan

Good to hear from you again! Glad to know the project hasn’t died and that the reel has yet to be shipped!

imsorrydave2448 said:

AwesomeJ said:

imsorrydave2448 said:

littlejoe416 said:

I think the people behind this are purposely dragging their feet because of the leaks but that’s lame. Imo

nah, Trist is just a very busy dude

Dude’s in college and dealing with personal stuff, I’m sure he’ll be back on the project soon. Also, considering the film reel is in Australia, who knows what’s going on down there?

He’s also got multiple projects going on if I’m not mistaken.

Really? I wasn’t aware of that, unless it’s personal and not on this site.

imsorrydave2448 said:

littlejoe416 said:

I think the people behind this are purposely dragging their feet because of the leaks but that’s lame. Imo

nah, Trist is just a very busy dude

Dude’s in college and dealing with personal stuff, I’m sure he’ll be back on the project soon. Also, considering the film reel is in Australia, who knows what’s going on down there?

To those who don’t know, someone uploaded a clip from the CAV laserdisc in full 1440p, and I got to say its probably the closest and highest quality bit of footage we’ll get of the original 35mm version of the film before this project gets released!

https://youtu.be/ybyVdy99wjg?si=PH9mzkqU8UJTMrVL

lpw1107 said:

You’re kidding! “Much better than the DVD in your opinion”?
(Laughing my bum off)
What exactly was wrong with direct movies from the digital source anyway?
(No offence intended by the way)

The colors/contrast are much more eye pleasing and the grain makes the low res textures and animation look a tad bit less dated compared to the digital version. It really is night and day in terms of the way the film looks actually on film vs how the movie looks rather bland and washed out on digital. Sid’s room, for example, especially shows the difference of the movie on 35mm because of the rich black shadows which can be seen in 35mm clips from behind the scenes documentaries, which seems to be lost in the digital version which brightens the room up a little too much. In my opinion it’s probably the only Pixar film to look way better on film based on the 35mm trailers that can be found on YouTube.

imsorrydave2448 said:

TristAndShout64 said:

Hooray, OT is back up! I’ll be reaching out to donors sometime soon to get email addresses in case this happens again, but feel free to PM it to me if you’d like.

Anyways, I suppose it’s a perfect time for an update, as there’s a lot to discuss. Firstly, I want to share a bit about distribution of the final print, which will be done a bit differently now due to the recent Reddit leaks which caused a bit of a stir.

I won’t go too much into detail regarding my opinions on what happened, but I will say that I find openly sharing these scans on Reddit and other websites a bit irresponsible and a good way to get some person or another in trouble. To be clear, I don’t necessarily think we should gatekeep or disallow people from seeing scans; I think it should be up to whoever did the scan who they distribute the print to (not that there are any implied rights, but I see it as a simple courtesy thing), but at the very least I believe that it should be kept to private messages as opposed to just having a website with download links to full, copyrighted movies.

Knowing all this, I will be slightly tightening things as far as who will receive copies of the print. I’m in favor of letting more people see the final scan, but I’m just too fearful of getting in trouble after it gets posted online to be willing to send it to whoever messages me and asks. Perhaps that’s irrational to some capacity, but it’s just something I’m not comfortable with at this point.

The long-and-short of it this: all people who have donated WILL get a copy, as expected. Other people interested can receive a copy AT MY DISCRETION, but will be required to provide image proof that they own a copy of the film. I’ll be keeping things fairly limited, so don’t necessarily expect a response if you PM me asking for a copy.

If you do receive a copy of the scan, know that I’m trusting you not to share a copy with anyone else or post it online, and my willingness to do another project like this may be impacted if anyone does so. Also, I’d like to share that I plan on posting clips of the final scan on YouTube/Archive.org, as I do want to give everyone the opportunity to see it in some capacity.

My apologies if this leaves some people feeling disappointed, but it’s what I ultimately feel is the best course of action. I might find some way to get the scan out to more people in the future, but for now I’d like to keep things as lowkey as possible.

With that out of the way, Let’s discuss the scan itself! As far as funds go, we’re currently sitting at a little over $1400. I imagine this should be about as much as we need, so I’ve removed the donation link from the top post, but I may or may not intermittently accept a couple more (with proof of ownership of the film). I’ll be hard-capping us at around $1500, as I don’t think more than that will be necessary. Valeyard still has the print in Australia, and we’re hoping to get things moving sometime fairly soon, so stay tuned for further updates. I’ll send another OT-longer whenever I have more to share. Peace and love y’all! ✌🏻

~Tristan

Is there a way I can donate still? This project looks amazing.

Unfortunately, no. Tristan closed the donation link down, but he might accept it if you ask him.

Chillye said:

So where can I watch this print at?

It’s not out, so there’s no way to watch it yet. The print needs to be sent somewhere to be cleaned and sent somewhere else to be scanned.

TristAndShout64 said:

Answered penguin’s questions by DM. At this point we’re going to be a bit over $1500 and I believe I can safely say that the project is about as FULLY FUNDED as it will get, so I will be fully closing donations off. My apologies to anyone who didn’t get a chance to donate– believe me when I say that I’d honestly share this with everyone if I could.

On a more positive note, I owe a huge thank-you to everyone who has donated over the past several months. I need to update the list on the forum, but I believe that once the remaining parties throw their bits in we’ll have over 75 different donors who have contributed. Pardon my French, but that’s fucking crazy!! I’m so glad I ran into this community and incredibly grateful to have the support of everyone who wants to see this as much as I do. I’ll try to message whoever I still need to about email addresses, and I also plan on refunding all of you a little depending on how much money is left over. Again, thank you guys so much– you honestly are my favorite deputies.

I’m still waiting for things to get moving over in Australia, so for now all we can really do is wait. I’ll figure out what I can and post another update as soon as possible. Until then, reach for the sky!

~Tristan

Any new update regarding the project?

TristAndShout64 said:

Answered penguin’s questions by DM. At this point we’re going to be a bit over $1500 and I believe I can safely say that the project is about as FULLY FUNDED as it will get, so I will be fully closing donations off. My apologies to anyone who didn’t get a chance to donate– believe me when I say that I’d honestly share this with everyone if I could.

On a more positive note, I owe a huge thank-you to everyone who has donated over the past several months. I need to update the list on the forum, but I believe that once the remaining parties throw their bits in we’ll have over 75 different donors who have contributed. Pardon my French, but that’s fucking crazy!! I’m so glad I ran into this community and incredibly grateful to have the support of everyone who wants to see this as much as I do. I’ll try to message whoever I still need to about email addresses, and I also plan on refunding all of you a little depending on how much money is left over. Again, thank you guys so much– you honestly are my favorite deputies.

I’m still waiting for things to get moving over in Australia, so for now all we can really do is wait. I’ll figure out what I can and post another update as soon as possible. Until then, reach for the sky!

~Tristan

Oh darn, I was hoping to donate, oh well I’m happy being part of the discussion of this project anyways! Its really great meeting so many people that are fans of this movie and dedicated to getting this project off the ground!

Hooray! The site is back!

So… is there gonna be any problems with the project because of what happened in the community?

zombi51 said:

AwesomeJ said:

TristAndShout64 said:

Hey, sorry for the radio silence and props to all the recent donors who I haven’t thanked. I’m happy to say that we’ve now passed $1300 and are continuing to climb! I’ll be giving a more detailed update as soon as possible, but in the meantime feel free to continue donating as we could still use money for the cost of a hard drive.

Additionally, when I have the chance I would like to address some recent events within the community that have shaken things up a bit, and discuss how they will impact this project. For now, I would like to share that while the project still won’t be strictly donors only, there will now be some restrictions on who will be receiving the prints once the project is finished (at least for the time being).

Either way, I’m grateful for the continued support and I shall give more details soon enough. To infinity and beyond!

~Tristan

What has happened in the community?

I think it refers to this episode

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Massive-35mm-Leaks-on-Reddit/id/106638

Oh sh*t.

TristAndShout64 said:

Hey, sorry for the radio silence and props to all the recent donors who I haven’t thanked. I’m happy to say that we’ve now passed $1300 and are continuing to climb! I’ll be giving a more detailed update as soon as possible, but in the meantime feel free to continue donating as we could still use money for the cost of a hard drive.

Additionally, when I have the chance I would like to address some recent events within the community that have shaken things up a bit, and discuss how they will impact this project. For now, I would like to share that while the project still won’t be strictly donors only, there will now be some restrictions on who will be receiving the prints once the project is finished (at least for the time being).

Either way, I’m grateful for the continued support and I shall give more details soon enough. To infinity and beyond!

~Tristan

What has happened in the community?

Just color-corrected the film’s original teaser trailer on 35mm, and for those who haven’t seen the link for the 35mm original trailer that I also color-corrected, check them both out!

Teaser:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1av3KRbQCOV3EA6tpBuYsOpX_v8DhoKj-/view?usp=sharing

Trailer:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D0orLH-JTtGYoa-waiZAdbS-aqYz37wH/view?usp=sharing

RU.08 said:

AwesomeJ said:

I have some screencaps of a laserdisc copy that I color corrected a while back, so I don’t know if this is 100% accurate to the original theatrical presentation but I hope these help when the thing is finally scanned:

Laserdiscs are colorcorrected for the living room by the telecine operator, aka the colorist, like this:

So basically it has its own colortiming. The telecine prints are more expensive to make than projection prints, although they’re usually 16mm not 35mm, and they’re printed low-contrast so that they can be transferred for broadcast and/or home video (you can also transfer off the interpos or a dupe negative as those are also low-contrast film that will transfer acceptably on a telecine). For a bright film like Toy Story it may not look too different, but for films with many dark/night scenes those in particular will look nothing like how they look theatrically. Beauty and the Beast for example is really ruined by the home video colortiming. BATB is an example of a film that probably shouldn’t have been released to home video, but we are where we are and today everything now goes to home video eventually. Certain decisions are even made for both home video and broadcast at the time of filming, for example in Hollywood they shoot alternate scenes for broadcast where they know that something will have to be censored for US domestic TV.

For the theatrical prints the way it works is that the interpositive is colortimed and then when theatrical prints are struck the printer is fully calibrated for the film and the print is struck reel-by-reel. So for example if you’re printing 200 prints you print 200x reel 1 and then 200x reel 2 and so-on. Some prints will be intentionally printed 2 stops brighter and those are Drive-In prints (prints for outdoor projection). The interpos is struck off the original negative or off a dupe negative, in this case the original negative would have been a digital film-out (there may be more than one “original negative” if they made more than one film-out). Now the resolution Toy Story was outputted to wasn’t 2048x1556 so I don’t know if they upscaled it for the printer, or window-boxed it and then did an optical enlargement off the o-neg - either is possible and we should see if there was any attempt at “filmizing” it when it’s scanned.

So would these be an accurate representation for the color timing of the film on 35mm? https://www.ebay.com/itm/274752644977?hash=item3ff888a771:g:N2YAAOSwJHBgcGoU&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwEZZ6wwtSPUyHPs0a35yHiYRR9MF9AIY1ohi%2BWRIMQwItBKVYlTA3KKZHNxz%2B5Ap8%2FJ6LyNNduTWtgZbqvbfwkF%2BIqhVEN0%2B9la8Sdf6QCcjmsiu%2BdURlFw6M9x0tBZJexJsW6meJJK808aO9wisp3LNd525mpRzdRlxw7ArfwznWoCCwELItyh7zTHns9vTLy7BVDo6yQI62RA5pHMeuKKPW6Ju1BiH1xHJhR%2BxS4S2ydgRYAWBI%2F6N%2BICs0DwwCw%3D%3D|tkp%3ABk9SR9a86bK0Yg

I was rather disappointed with the color grading of the 35mm scan of the trailer, it looked washed out and had more cooler colors than warmer ones, so I decided to color correct it! Here is a link to the trailer, now with a much more vibrant color palette! Tell me what you guys think!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D0orLH-JTtGYoa-waiZAdbS-aqYz37wH/view?usp=sharing

TristAndShout64 said:

AwesomeJ said:

TristAndShout64 said:

ScruffyNerfHerder said:

I’m really looking forward to your results. I just donated $15. 😃

Thank you so much! Your donation got us to exactly $700!!

I’m currently on vacation, but I’ll make another post when I get back on Wednesday. 😁

So, whats the next course of action?

Raise more money! Now that we’ve reached the cost of services (cleaning and scanning) we just need enough money to ship the print around to the various places it needs to go.

I’ll make a proper follow-up post when I have the chance, including a rough estimation of how much more money we’ll need (nothing concrete until we can get canisters and weigh the print). For now, I encourage people to continue donating if they’re interested! 😃

Is there a rough estimation for how much more money is needed?

TristAndShout64 said:

AwesomeJ said:

TristAndShout64 said:

ScruffyNerfHerder said:

I’m really looking forward to your results. I just donated $15. 😃

Thank you so much! Your donation got us to exactly $700!!

I’m currently on vacation, but I’ll make another post when I get back on Wednesday. 😁

So, whats the next course of action?

Raise more money! Now that we’ve reached the cost of services (cleaning and scanning) we just need enough money to ship the print around to the various places it needs to go.

I’ll make a proper follow-up post when I have the chance, including a rough estimation of how much more money we’ll need (nothing concrete until we can get canisters and weigh the print). For now, I encourage people to continue donating if they’re interested! 😃

Alright, great! Are there two separate places for cleaning and scanning?

TristAndShout64 said:

ScruffyNerfHerder said:

I’m really looking forward to your results. I just donated $15. 😃

Thank you so much! Your donation got us to exactly $700!!

I’m currently on vacation, but I’ll make another post when I get back on Wednesday. 😁

So, whats the next course of action?

Spawnomorph said:

Akutchand10 said:

Oh, Toy Story (1995) in glorious 4K! How can I contain my excitement? I had the privilege of watching a work-in-progress (WIP) version of this film, painstakingly scanned from 35mm. And guess what? They need donations! How delightful, because I definitely want to fund someone’s passion project. But hey, who needs a finished product when you can experience a half-baked version, right? Anyway, if you’re in the mood for some “WIP magic,” check out the link here: https://casinoplinko.com/. Just be sure to bring your sarcasm hat and maybe a pinch of skepticism. Happy “donating”!

what a weird post right?

Yeah, I actually thought it was gonna be a link to the WIP of the movie, which is something I’ve only seen part 3 of on Youtube, this dude’s a scammer probably.

TristAndShout64 said:

Dozer Davis said:

I am looking forward to donating sometime next week when I get paid. I love this movie to death and seeing it on a vintage format is definitely something for me and I assume everyone else.

Wonderful, that would be greatly appreciated. You’re definitely not the only one who loves this movie and wants to see this project come to fruition. We’re approaching our first monetary goal so any help is appreciated at this point! 😃

HAttackontheBun said:

I was just wondering since this was an Australian print, will the final scan include the Buena Vista International logo or will this be cut out?

I guess it depends if it’s on the print or not. If it is, then it’ll likely be included in the final scan (unless people think we should do otherwise).

Personally I’d like to see it without it (if its included in the scan that is), as the Laserdisc never had the international logo (which may mean the scan might not have it since the laserdisc was a transfer of the film negative).

TristAndShout64 said:

NeonBible said:

I’ve donated $15.

Thanks TristAndShout64 for taking on this project.

Hal 9000 said:

Just donated $15. I saw this movie many times in the theater and these images just feel right for this movie.

Wow, two $15 donations in a day? Thanks you guys! These have pushed us to $630 in total, so we’re staggeringly close to reaching our starter goal. I’ll try and get the remaining costs worked out soon or at least come up with some rough estimate for us to go off of.

Charles Threepio said:

I’ve just donated a dollar towards this scan. It’s not much, but as you said, every little bit counts.

Haha, I appreciate it Charles. We were actually at like $599.44 when you sent your dollar, so you officially put us over the $600 mark. That’s certainly worth something, so thanks a ton!

Goes to show not only how much this film means to so many people but also how much people really want to see this film in its original theatrical presentation and finally see this project come to fruition!