Artan42

EddieDean said:

I’ve made the following to help visualise the cuts I intend to produce. Each cut will include the complete cut above it - you only get more content as you go down the pyramid, never less. This way, if you’re the kind of person who really wants to watch a curated ‘best of’ experience but who doesn’t need to see Ackbar’s origins, you’d choose the Quality Cut. But if you need to get your Saw Gerrera fix, you’d pick up the Continuity Cut.

Obviously, if a story is both Quality and Continuity, then it’ll appear in the Quality cut, so there will of course be lots of continuity in the quality cut. Episodes are placed in the highest category available.

There’s not anything too special to this presentation - I’ll mostly be using it in the master document to help direct people to the episodes they are most interested in for the experience they choose.

That’s quite a helpful infographic.

Hayden Christensen is Canadian.

I have no particular opinion on the 2D CW series as I’ve only seen it once back when it aired and now it’s not canon I never bothered with it again, but your summations of TCW are mostly the same as what I would conclude.

Quote seems to be broken so…

‘People are going to come into this show wanting to see Mandalore and Maul, so I think it’s really important we get those plotlines running early, and keep their presence felt throughout.’

This seems to be true. Realistically (other than Rex), Ahsoka, Maul, and Mandalore are the elements that TCW really brings to the franchise that are its own and carries the side plots of Rebels and The Mandalorian which makes them, ironically, even more key than the actual ‘Clones’ or ‘War’ parts of TCW in terms of keeping intact as much as possible.

Declan Mulholland was Irish not Scottish.

EddieDean said:

Which reminds me, I realised earlier that this period of time is a single war! The Clone War! It isn’t Clone Wars at all! The Star Wars are a collection of wars, of which the Clone War is one such war, which contains multiple battles and crises. Like Yoda says at the end of Attack of the Clones, “Begun, the Clone War has.”

I can’t recall if it’s singular or plural in ANH but technically there are several wars going on around each other all tied into the main Republic vs CIS war. The Republic invasion of Mandalore, the Shadow Collective vs. Mandalorian war, the CIS vs. the Nightsisters, the Republic vs. various pirates and slavers, the CIS vs. the Hutts, the Onderron rebels vs. the CIS.

It’s an oddity it’s referred to as a ‘clone’ war in the first place where a term like ‘Galactic War’ would suite better, though that is mostly ANHs fault. But the Republic vs. CIS war is the trigger for the other side-wars both sides are fighting so it can be said to be a collection of wars.

EddieDean said:

Back to finishing off the Ryloth arc:

S01E20 Innocents of Ryloth - Excludable

The problem with this episode is that it adds nothing at all. Obi-wan goes and rescues some innocents from droids, whilst two clones we never see again meet a twi’lek child.

Waxer and Boil show up again in the Umbara arc for a minor but dramatic scene. The child is Numa (I think) and one of the two gets a graphic of her on his helmet. Numa shows up again in Rebels as part of Chem’s unit wearing parts of clone armour in the same colours as Waxer and Boil’s unit (212th? I think they’re part of Cody’s mob).

Not massive issues if you were to cut the episode but due to the same creative team, there’s basically only one episode that doesn’t connect to any other and receives no call backs in Rebels or The Mandalorian, and that’s ‘Lightsabre Lost’. Everything else is called back in some way, small or large, in the future.

EddieDean said:

Artan42, thanks for this. There were some useful points there, and it encouraged me to take a look at the earlier production orders. I’d already kept a note of the changed character models in case of reshuffling, but ultimately I think I’ll adhere to roughly chronological order but with a real focus on pacing the whole.

I don’t really have much useful advice to off other than looking at what you put out here. I’ve never been able to make the idea of TCW films work in my head.
I think the main problem is that the main characters are involved in almost every plot which makes it really difficult to cross events over and have different arcs happening at the same time.

I’ve never been satisfied with the ‘official’ chronological order. I think it moves things around and splits things up too much.

I prefer to watch it as per the document below.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m3lgle_RFU_STk1NTif4N1DQUJd4rhGCj2pAB3DPNM4/edit?usp=sharing

Being able to just pick out individual arc subjects is also helpful.

Things like the Clovis arc (An Old Friend, The Rise of Clovis, Crisis at the Heart) were officially planned for much earlier in the series and feature the old Palpatine voice actor. The moving of the ‘The Disappeared’ arc is just to move the silliness out of the final third of the series and to tie up the Nightsisters stuff much earlier.

Edit: Moving the Clovis stuff earlier allows for the increasing desperation of the CIS later into the war due to the strangulation of their finances and impetus for the plot to kidnap Palpatine on Naboo.

EddieDean said:

For example, The Deserter mentions the guy deserting after the battle of Ryloth, but his kids look four years old, so to me that really should be near the end of the clone wars, not up near the start of the show.

Are they actually his children? Isn’t he more realistically the step-father. Especially considering he’s only about 14 himself.

hedgesmfg said:

I’ve released a new series of Clone Wars TV Film edits, 7 more, now bringing the total to 61 episodes from Seasons 1-6 that I’ve upscaled/edited so far, or about half of the content from those seasons. Like the previous batch, I am releasing both the 4K HDR files natively, as well as downscaled versions of the new 4K HDR transfers in 1080P SDR.

The new content of the episodes themselves is 100% intact in these cuts, and the episodes are put in chronological order where they might have originally aired out of order. The only thing removed is the narrator on various episodes after the start of each arc, and even then I create new audio transitions where necessary to preserve any new non-recapped shots/visual content where possible. This helps it all flow nice and seamlessly.
All video links will stream in 4K HDR if you are using a broswer/display capable of supporting it (Chrome/Edge), or are playing on a properly calibrated 4K HDR compatible device (Smartphone, 4K Smart TV, Tablet, new HDR Gaming monitor, ect ect)

Again, Email sheevsenate0505@gmail.com for an automated reply with DL links/info, or DM me if that doesn’t work for whatever reason.

I’ll check them out. The old email link will have updated won’t it?

Do these new edits have any integrated deleted scenes?

I wonder if there’s any threads from the upcoming laserdisc release of ESB in '84 you could bump.

I’m planning on starting the series again now we’re in another lockdown. Can I have a link please.

Can I have a link to this please.

Y3ldarb said:

idir_hh said:

The link I have doesn’t seem to work, could someone send me a link of the latest version?

I gotchu!

Ditto please.

NFBisms said:

I guess I should probably be more open about this; I haven’t been working on this at all since April/May.

I’m still sending out links to the workprint, (just sent a few today actually) but it’s looking less likely than ever that I’ll ever go back and “finish it.” I use quotations because for the most part, I think I’ve more or less done what I wanted to do. But the audiovisual quality, as well as an array of minor issues, really hold it back for me from being final final. It’s like 720p stereo, and color graded by an overzealous 22 year old.

I don’t know. I’m too burnt out now to revisit it, even to just walk back one line of added dialogue or fix a 3PO line overlapping itself. And I don’t want to lose another day of access to my computer to export a higher quality file that I’ll end up wanting to tweak again and so on and so forth. The way this project was set up is also a nightmare in the first place. I’ve grown so much as an editor since I started, and this was pretty early on in that journey. I’ve basically been fighting my past self to even get the more recent stuff out.

So, forever “unfinished” unless I change my mind when Star Wars Ep X comes around. But that’s not a huge deal because it was basically done anyway. I just wish that it was available in a way people could use my choices for their own edits. I really do.

I want to thank Hal, snooker, Mithrandir, Artan42, Octorox, sade1212, RogueLeader, IlFaneditore, Delpheas, etc, etc for contributing a lot to this project and helping me out. (God, I’m leaving out so many rn) And thanks to basically anyone who watched any of the thousand versions or showed interest. This doesn’t exist without all your contributions to the fanediting community in the first place. Sorry I couldn’t keep loving Star Wars.

‘Finished finished’ or not, it’s still one of the best fan edits of the best SW film I’ve come across and comes the closest to what I would want to do if I had any actual editing skill. Thanks for doing it.

Just be be safe, can you send me a link to the most up to date version please. I have a bad habit of keeping a lot of versions of fanedits around and I don’t want to have missed the most complete version.

Otherwise, just take the break and see what happens next.

jarbear said:

omnimuffin said:

jarbear said:

Not sure if Hal you care about this, but I certainly would like to remove all the “random” voices during that “Jedi chatter” scene and not specifically for canon reasons.

Fan edits do not need to follow cannon since … well, any change to a movie breaks the cannon anyway, but for the audience watching the movies and hearing a bunch of “random” voices that were not heard in the previous movies is jarring … to me at least thinking of the “average” movie watcher going from Episode 1 to 9.

(I agree with the others here about not having the other Jedi voices in that scene since … pre disneyified “canon” that only a couple of Jedi were able to do so via special training that was explicitly mentioned in Revenge of the Sith … but Disney already broke that logic/canon with Palps. Sith cannot live on prior to Disney… which is why Plagius was trying to find a way to reverse dying and live on but was cut short by Palps. Plus, George Lucus explicitly said Sith were not able to obtain it, just the Jedi via their absolute selflessness which made it ironic the Sith who wanted to live forever could never obtain it via the dark side … only the light side for the side who do not care about themselves. But we know what happened, RJ decided “Hey, Sith live on too! They just keep going to the next body” which then kills the whole narrative of Revenge of the Sith. That concludes my TED talk.)

Wait, why are you blaming Rian Johnson for that? Rian Johnson didn’t do that, lol. Rian Johnson was not involved in bringing back Palpatine, lol.

On the subject: Sith can’t persist as bodyless spirits, but they can persist if bound to objects or host bodies (and host bodies is something literally only Palpatine has ever achieved, and only through what he’d learned from Plaguis before turning on him), though it’s an extremely unpleasant ‘existence’.

Anyway, there’s a difference between reaching into the netherworld of the force and making brief contact with old friends, long gone, than a ghost manifesting in the material world, a la what Obi-Wan, Yoda, and eventually Luke and Leia learned.

Meant jj, my bad. But still stand by my comment since jj didn’t watch previous Star Wars stuff.

The same Abrams who was such a huge Star Wars fan the whining Trek fanbois complain he’d inserted too much SW in their ST? The Same Abrams who basically cloned ANH when making TFA? The same Abrams who only took the ST gig in the first place because he thought it was as close as he’d get to directing his SW? That Abrams? And you think he’s never seen SW.

Not to mention that, as far as the films and TV series are concerned, neither the Sith or Jedi know how to live past death. Plagueis was working on it and Qui-Gon discovered it (slightly too late). The fact that Palps worked it out by the time of RotJ is no more surprising than Qui-Gon working it out after he’d already died.

Palps cheating death is not only perfectly in line with all material relating to the Force from every previous film and series, but it’s a direct copy of basically every post RotJ EU comic or book for decades before Lucas sold SW. (I’m not saying I like it, it kinda breaks the whole ‘chosen one’ prophecy, but hey, missread it may have been and all that).

Oh, and it is absolutely impossible to ‘break canon’. A canon is nothing more than a group of works under a common banner that need to have nothing in common other than the IP owners have grouped them together. What you’re trying to say is it breaks continuity, a completely separate concept (and also incorrect, continuity is fully maintained).

I quite like the idea of the First Order being either the military of the New Republic or a splinter group of it. Them using very Imperial style weapons, ships, and uniforms is sensible considering that the the New Republic would likely have just taken control of all remaining Imperial assets. Plus it ties the New Republic back to the CW era Republic where the white armoured minions and Star Destroyers originated. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.

It would also help sell the idea that the Rebellion/Resistance is the only faction that isn’t a cesspool of corruption and decay (unlike the Republic, Confederacy, Empire, New Republic/First Order, or Hutts). It was always (or at least after the PT came out) daft that the Rebellion wanted to restore the Republic, an organisation that was just as feted as the Confederacy, rather than building something new.

It would have fit nicely with the ‘Let the Past Die’ thing and Luke’s potential moving of Ray away from the Jedi Order into something new, as both the Jedi Order and the Sith are another set of factions that need to be left in the past as their flaws are beyond repair.

TheAlaskanSandman said:

Skybatman said:

New scene from Anakin looking at the sunset.
A younger Count Dooku in TPM.
Is this … the ultimate version of the prequels?

Another dreaded “Special Edition” lol Gotta include some random creatures walking past the screen and blocking out everything

Make sure you edit the Trade Federation doors to be three times larger on the outside than they are on the inside as well then.

Anakin Starkiller said:

One more thing, I’d love it if upon regenerating, Hartnell glowed yellow, despite the rest of the show being black and white. Would be visually striking and a nice nod to the Modern Series.

I was hoping we’d get that in Twice Upon a Time’, either refilmed with Bradley or colourised and enhanced footage of Hartnel. They teased it several times with the golden wisps coming from his hands but we never got as far as seeing the full thing.

I’m enjoying all this technical detail. I have no bloody clue what is being said (it may as well be in Klingonese for all I know) but it looks like there’s several people who really know what needs to be done here.

As for CBS, every time somebody uploads a test video, I go watch a couple of episodes on Netflix. I think it’ll be the viewing figures for DS9 and VGR that make the case to CBS that they might have to pull their fingers out eventually as they’ll be the only two of the nine produced TV shows without a HD release.

I’ve only had time to watch one so far (The Return of Darth Maul) but it’s phenomenally well done. The quality is really high.

Yeah it’d be better to correct RotS to pure white.

I quite like it, the Death Star looks less stark and washed out and the uniforms align more with the rest of the OT (more grey-blue than grey-brown).

Animaxx said:

the 4K-Version will be ready to upload some time tomorrow,

Excellent, I can’t wait. I’m excited about the potential this project has.

Animaxx said:

If anyone is interested, I could make a sort of guide on how my workflow goes, if you’d like.
I just have to find the time, for my vacation time is almost over and my dayjob is 12 hours/day.

Glad you like it. Here’s to many more episodes 😃

Without wanting to eat into time you use for processing the actual episodes, I would like to see that. Beyond just general sharpening I have no idea what actually goes into upscaling video.