Angel

LexX said:

There seems to be a lot of clouds in mock-ups. Tatooine shouldn't have that many because there's pretty much no water.

I agree.

But tattoine always had clouds even from space or ground shots.

Less green screen effect- better sky/colors.

Now they have some sky illumination.

-Angel

First pic I replaced a good blade with a crappy one. Wait! Im confused.

Second pic I add the missing part on saber's hild and i made glossy the bubble eye of R2 to march with the rest of saga.

Edit: Because the battle was shot on different day times...

I tried to remove the sun down feeling to make it more daylight

-Angel

Make sure to use what i gave you ;)

-Angel

Bingowings said:

The lighting on the hilt in Angel's mockup is a bit out (but who I'm I to talk in my mockups the lighting is frequently all over the place),  I can't remember which point the hilt should be in it's spin off hand so maybe that's off too but at least the blade is coming out of the right end and is the right colour.

So some of the way there.

Hah lucky guess. I light it more intence in purpose to show the different angle of the hilt :)

@ady: ok sir ,thanks for the info :D

-Angel

SilverKey said:

What I meant is that sometimes, in my opinion, you boost the contrast too much, which makes some of the shots look a little unnatural because we're seeing way too much. Your adjustments make every little detail visible, and that makes the shots kind of "flat". All the subtleties are gone, and every little detail is there, screaming for our attention.

An example: the shot of Amidala's ship landing on Coruscant in AOTC. The platform is very "busy" now with every little thing we see on it. I like that the original shot was a little more "quiet".

That said, I do like how you changed the color palette of the scene. You got rid of the purple-ish tone that hangs over the scene and made the scene look a little more industrial. I also like how the yellow of the fighters stand out a little more too.

I don't mean to rag on your and others' color adjustment work, but I think there is a little too much of a "Let's make it more dark and faded and it'll look like the OT!"-mentality going on here. I agree very much that TPM (the horrible pink) and AOTC (to an extent) could use some color adjustments. In AOTC's case, I think we have to keep it subtle: bring out some more details, and tone down the cartoonish stuff.

Hope I haven't offended anyone :P

In certain mockups i boost the detail because especially in AOTC everything is blured.

Its interesting that the platform gets busy because what i did is to replace the silhouettes of coruscant buildings and add some others that had some highlights that indicates depth and perspective. as for the crushed blacks you will notice that OT is full of big black (sometimes hard) shadows so im trying to do the similar effect to PT. Plus in AOTC because the elements are so bad composited and for some scenes (yoda and mace in hologram room) the cgi and compositing are so obvious im based on how on ROTS should have look without looked tho like a pic that have all the levels sliders in the wrong place ;). ROTS has crushed blacks. You can name it more as illustration from one movie to another for better continuity.

In AOTC case as you said IMO always you cant keep it sublte. ROTS and some parts of TPM has that, not AOTC.

You havent offended anyone :P Good feedback leads to better results :)

-Angel

Bingowings said:

Is it Mace's or is it Maul's, as it can fire a blade out of either end?

I fix the damn hilt emitter :P

the blade comes from the right spot now :)

-Angel

005 add this image to your ROTJ list ;)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/post/343302/#post343302

-Angel

Bobocop said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFgjpgK7VDk

Thank you for that :D

After all its just an Ewok!

Great stuff there

-Angel

tehwallaby said:

It's very clearly "Carrie"...

damn you are right! here is the proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj1JXL-zvyw

....

*sigh*

-Angel

Sir Hamish said:

ah, you probably couldnt. I was putting it in this thread becuase its a scene Id like to see if large changes were ever made to the trilogy. Its probably beyond the scope of editers. 

Ive just re-read the first page and realise now its a wishlist for fan edits, my mistake.

No worries here :)

its good to listen ideas. some of them may not be possible but can solve other problems.

Welcome aboard :D

-Angel

That goes back to the boba selling both rebels and empire scenario, from Bingo.

I like your dramatic approach of this matter but i dont see the reason to follow boba's steps as character. Boba is badass and interesting character only to fans imagination. if you cant show/prove something into the movie to a person who doesnt ever see SW before then the idea fails.

Plus your idea demands new footage.

Anyways thats my 2 euros here

-Angel

And put dead vader in the baggage area?

-Angel

Well sometimes im amaze my self. lol

Fucking uber interactive lighting from hologram :D like the one we saw in ROTS when grievous talks with palps.

And a zoom because the resizing hides the glory lol

-Angel

Zak said:

Still it gives the idea... I hope. It's 00.42 here

yeah. it reminds me the SE opening to bespin walls. I like your idea to make it less revealing and more OT like.

its 02:05 here ;)

-Angel

Octorox said:

What bothers me is the super high DOF, everything is in focus, even far into the background.

Very nice. I thought adding a lens blur but i thought a bit reaction of why we dont see the clones in the BG. no idea then

-Angel

Zak said:

Sorry. Didn't mean to sound like an ass :P I know it would take a huge amount of effort but i thing that it would look more realistic with a "simpler" shape? Like changing the top of the corridor to something flat instead of round (something solid with lights?)? And making the windows less reflective? It looks like they're in a bubble.

Blu screen game time :)

-Angel

Zak said:

The problem with the second one is that the whole corridor looks fake. No matter how you change the colors it'll always look fake.

Awesome....

Suggestions?

-Angel

Anyways.

I d like to make that shot similar to ROTS because it looks so fake and hasbro  toy like. Plus less CGI like yoda.

In the second i tried to unfocus the eyes from the windows without make it invisible ofc. Pallette from Nostromo once again.

-Angel

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Although, I like the idea from Davnes007....green might look cool and unsettleing...kind of a Matrix look? I'm thinking specifically the blue pannels could be green...?

Im trying to avoid color layers to lead to these kind of effects. not that im not love them ofc :)

Well im hoping that ady will deal the kamino thing with props. if you notice the useless space that is in that place you will see that something wrong is going on. Again remind me what blue panels? :)

Something that ive noticed and i was sure ROTS were more accurate is that there is no film grain to any of the CGI parts of the film. So we see filmed actors with lot of grain and a background that is plain like a baby's ass.

Im trying to find references of what and how several effects should look in retro films and trying to simulate that feeling without forgetting the 21st century.

-Angel

In some parts maybe too rough but it became with ROTS standards :D as well from OT too.

-Angel

Ithilgore said:

As for the "dirtying up" of Kamino, I disagree,

I prefer to say make it more real rather dirtying it. More grounded as set and visuals. Like THX 1138. pure white thing but it has its texture parts that ground them. And i did that mostly to avoid the similarities with the tantive IV.

ANH and Alien, both out in the late seventies, were the films that really made the whole "used future" concept popular in sci-fi films

yeah. thats the point of my mockups

-Angel

SilverKey said:

I do like your color adjustments of the opening of AOTC, Vaderios. You did take them a bit too far in my opinion, but as I said before, I like how playing with the contrast reveals a little more detail in this case on the ships and the platform. It makes them feel more real.

I like your feedback and im open for constructive criticism. Yes you are right i tried to make it look more real and eliminate the CGI result. Even some ships are actually models they lose their authenticity into this fog thing whatever thing. In what part you think i went too far? Feel free to suggest things. As you know i return to previous mockups and I revisit them ;)

thanks again

I like the idea of dialing down the brightness of the Kamino interiors. But I like the sterile lab environment of the overall look.

In the lab scene in Nostromo (ALIEN)i was sterile enough without looking like glossy plastic. Again color correction ruined the small set piece.

-Angel

Bingowings said:

Awesome Concept there Bingo! Does these wings are turnable? like rotor?

Viewers don't read scripts and it doesn't make sense based on what we know.

So true!

-Angel

Darth Solo said:

You ever have a prostetic limb attached that exactly matches your own skin tone at that moment in time? And Hammil dont have a 'real' hand from that point onwards anywayz.

Dead argument.

Ah crap i liked the un edited post of yours :P

The skin supposed to be the same. its damn star wars after all.

ady said he will fix it. why bother? :P

-Angel

shanerjedi said:

I'm a big proponent of simplifying shots if it makes the visual look more like it was actually photographed.

In the case of that matte, the bridges and their lighting look too flat and the whole thing needs more depth. Too bad there are no shaft pics the falcon flies through that you could use. Sometimes models work better than mattes.

the bridges will gone for sure. First no purpose at all. Secondly the emperor could jump on them.

Agreed the models work better.

I will try to apply my idea with the magnets.

Weekend is coming. Fingers crossed :)

-Angel