On a related note; For me, she was her prettiest in 1977. Every time I see a picture of her from back then (in costume or behind the scenes), I'm shocked at just how beautiful she really was. Particularly with her hair down. The gold bikini was nice alright, but it was just a ratings grab. It distracted from how naturally pretty she really was.
And my traveling companions
Are ghosts and empty sockets
I'm looking at ghosts and empties
But I've reason to believe
We all will be received
In Graceland
There is a girl in New York City
Who calls herself the human trampoline
And sometimes when I'm falling, flying
Or tumbling in turmoil I say
Whoa, so this is what she means
I know how you feel
You know I been there
But what you've been keeping to yourself
Well you know it just ain't fair
Are you gonna worry
For the rest of your life
Why are you in such a hurry
To be lonely one more night?
I know what it means to hide your heart
From a long time ago
Anthony works in the grocery store
Savin his pennies for some day
Mama Leone left a note on the door
She said "Sonny move out to the country"
Ah but working too hard can give you
A heart attack, ack, ack, ack, ack, ack
You ought-a know by now
Who needs a house out in Hackensack?
Is that all you get for your money?
And it seems such a waste of time
If that's what it's all about
Mama if that's movin up then I'm movin out
Mm I' movin out, mm oo oo uh huh mm hm
You should never argue with a crazy mi mi mi mi mi mind
You ought-a know by now
You can pay Uncle Sam with the overtime
Is that all you get for your money
And if that's what you have in mind
Then that's what you're all about
Good luck movin up cause I'm movin out
DuracellEnergizer said:
I want to work within the confines of the Expanded Universe, the Expanded Universe as it existed prior to the release of TPM;
I'm asking for help in pooling together all the bits and pieces of info pertaining to the EU's original conception of the PT storyline/characters...... even if it's just basic references to books or links to offsite blogs/sites/etc.
Thanks in advance.
Man, how did I miss a topic like this? I'd be very interested in a Lucas-free Prequel story. I'll try to come up with thoughts or passages as they come to me from all the EU I have. Until then, here is a list of publishing dates for all the novels so you'll know your stop date.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_novels_by_release_date#1976
Also, there could be all sorts of interesting ideas in the original newspaper strip that ran daily from 1979 - 1984. One of our very own has done a masterful job of preserving it;
Give Tanith her well deserved moment in the spotlight. ;-)
SilverWook said:
Some of the films seem to have had someone go DNR crazy on them too. I saw Insurrection on cable recently, and some scenes were like a ghoulish wax museum. My DVD's will suffice until Paramount double dips.
That's the sole reason I don't have a big collection of Blu-rays. The few I do have seem ok, but tons of the ones I've seen previewed have gone way over on the DNR.
"I don't want my grain taken away! - I need my grain!"
doubleofive said:
Welcome to OT.com. You'll find we're passionate about our opinions, but I'd like to think we're fairly open to alternate opinions as long as you aren't troll-y about them.
I think that sums us up perfectly, as well as explains what makes us unique in Star Wars fandom. Passionate, but not close-minded. I know that seems a little off coming from a one-film-only fan, but I think you guys know what I'm getting at.
A belated welcome aboard, ATM.
doubleofive said:
And that TMP:DE, which was the director's "final cut" (which he didn't have for the original release) isn't available on Blu-ray because Paramount is too cheap to re-render the new effects. To be fair, why aren't we up in arms about NOT having this "special edition"?
That's it, I'm calling it; originalpentology.com
On a serious note; I need to find out how to get the theatrical editions to these first five. I've been a big fan since they were each originally in the theaters, but I sort of drifted. 2009 is my go-to now, but I would like to have these.
Personal favorite of the Pentology; Voyage Home.
Outbound Flight and a reread of The Hand Of Thrawn duology should hold me until this is released in December;
;-)
For me, no one handles the character of Lando better than Zahn. Really looking forward to this one.
Harmy said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's really a pity you decided to skip Outbound Flight, because.....
Alright!... Damn. I just bought the thing. I'll start it tonight.
But if it gets all whinny Annikin - "The force gives me a tummy ache" - I'm out, dude. Out!
;-)
I don't know, man. Maybe. One day. It is Zahn, after all.
;-)
Survivor's Quest
I've never made any secret of the fact that the main draw to the Zahn novels, for me, is his handling of Luke and Mara. Particularly Mara as an adult. Personally, this novel hit on all cylinders because it's primarily a Luke and Mara story. There are several other characters, some major, some peripheral, but none of them are any of our usual heroes.
I enjoyed that immensely. This is also a much more cerebral story than some of his other novels. I liked that also. I don't always need giant space battles to draw me in. I dig the deeper stuff.
Without spoiling anything, it's Luke, Mara, four stormtroopers, and a few others going out to look at the wreckage of the Outbound Flight. Because the novel Outbound Flight is a Prequel story, it will be the one Zahn novel I skip. However, because this novel was written first, it doesn't need Outbound Flight for it to make sense. I enjoyed it.
Fool's Bargain
This is a short story about the four stormtroopers from Survivor's Quest. It's the mission they were on just before leaving to meet Luke and Mara in the Survivor's Quest story. It is almost solely these four characters. Zahn is sometimes at his best in a short, focused story and this is a perfect example. Great story. I couldn't put it down. Again, fairly cerebral with a touch of action.
Baronlando said:
Indiana Jones is kind of unique ...
I agree. Indiana Jones works as a series because each story is about a specific adventure he has when he takes some time off from teaching. We've seen four of maybe fifteen or twenty adventures. Adventures that don't have to rely on the others. Adventures that work better because they don't rely on each other. Each one is a stand-alone.
Star Trek is very similar in that regard. Individual adventures that the crew goes on when they aren't back in San Francisco doing office work, or whatever it is they do here on Earth. Continuing Education and training, I suppose.
There isn't a tone shift in those two franchises because the tone isn't being rewritten as it goes along.
American Hominid said:
... the original film has a sense of adventure and "haphazardness," ...
I've been meaning to weigh in on this discussion because it is the very reason why I'm a one-film-only fan. I'll not bore the board - yet again - with the minutia of it all. I will, however, point out that the essence of your statement is what spoke to me when I sat in the theater in 1977.
I think that Empire and Jedi, while they pile on the additional story mythology and relationships, do not fully shift the feel.
They may not fully shift the feel, but they very much get the ball rolling. Empire starts the shift, Jedi completes it. Can't speak to the tone of the prequels because I barely remember the only one I've seen.
With a great deal of input from Marcia, Kurtz, and McQuarrie, Lucas got lucky in 1977. A stand-alone film that works because it's stand-alone. As soon as Lucas started trying to write more story, he ruined the story. The "adventure and "haphazardness," disappeared when Lucas shrunk the universe. Particularly the haphazardness of it all.
Where you see a shift in tone as the franchise goes along, I see it just the opposite. To me, Star Wars is the only film in the series that didn't have that tone. As I've stated before, I think Star Wars is the odd film out.
Personally, I think the original Star Wars trailer is the best example of how different that film is from the rest of the franchise. It's truly an adventure in a galaxy far far away, with a darker tone. Actual darkness - not the cartoon darkness of the other 5 films.
ray_afraid said:
But what about Han?
Han Solo said:
Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything.
Surely he's no stranger to the central hub of activity in the galaxy and he doesn't believe.
I suppose that's about how it would be if I had to give the topic any thought. Most people wouldn't give it much thought because they'd never heard of it or didn't believe it.
Bingowings said:
I say this because the film doesn't work as a film not just as a related tale to Alien.
It's the first three episodes of a visually interesting twelve part mini-series poorly spliced together and trimmed to feature length by a not very gifted amateur.
Damn. I really didn't see that coming. You probably went in most open-minded of anyone here. Sorry it was a drag for you. We've all been there, man.
That's how I was with Quantum Of Solace. Coming off of my newly crowned favorite 007 film - Casino Royale - I really thought Quantum would be a home run. Turns out it was a one time only viewing.
danny_boy said:
Can you please stop posting portraits of your husband in response to my posts?
Thank you.
Danny, this is me asking.
This story reminds me of the scene in Godfather II when they say "Hyman Roth has been dying of that same heart attack for twenty years"
George has been retiring from Lucasfilm for twenty years. He's not retiring, he's not going to make experimental small-release films, and he's absolutely not - under any circumstances what so ever - turning Star Wars over to anyone else.
He will control every aspect of Star Wars until he's no longer physically able to. I find it laughable that he has the balls to publish that statement with a straight face.
I'm on my way to New Orleans this mornin'
Leavin' out of Nashville, Tennessee
They're always havin' a good time down on the bayou
Lord, them Delta women think the world of me
Lord, I was born a ramblin' man
Tryin' to make a livin' and doin' the best I can
And when it's time for leavin' I hope you'll understand
That I was born a ramblin' man
In fact, I'm almost finished with it now. My usual review to come.
In answer to your query, the story comes after all Thrawn-based novels (though not published in that order). It will spoil several things if you read it first.
*edit*
That said; I don't know if it will spoil Outbound Flight, the novel it addresses. Since Outbound Flight is Prequel-based, I didn't bother with it.
Any Memorial Day traditions? I always go to the Astros game (if they're in town). Granted, I go to tons of home games anyway, but Memorial Day - always. They're on the road this year, so it will be TV and some dogs.
Films: M*A*S*H, Patton, and Apocalypse Now. I watched M*A*S*H today, I'll fit the other two in tomorrow.
Flag will be displayed on the house. My neighbor across the street was a WWII vet - European Theater - and used to come over every Memorial Day and thank me personally for raising the flag. He died six years ago. I will think of him.
Sorry. :-)
Maybe I'll watch Star Wars tomorrow as a sort of Memorial to 1977. After all, it has been six years since I last watched it. Dare I?
I gave it no thought what so ever.
Coincidentally, however, I did watch 2001: A Space Odyssey on the 25th. Somewhat fitting, considering how some of the visuals for Star Wars were lifted from 2001.
Oh, when it comes down in your loving
Oh, well then baby it's right
You say you think you are nothing
No one else will do it for you
Reach up and grab hold of the sunlight
When you are waiting for what's right
You're holding on your heaven
Wont leave you, yeah, yeah...
After that I walked out - because that was the last encore song and the house lights came up. ;-)
DMB kicked off their 2012 tour last night. Fantastic show, as always.
Standing tough under stars and stripes
We can tell
The dream's in sight
You've got to admit it
At this point in time it's clear
The future looks bright
On that train all graphite and glitter
Undersea by rail
Ninety minutes from New York to Paris
Well by seventy-six we'll be A.O.K