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#1478886
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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I won’t weigh in on the different classes of like or don’t like of TLJ - because I don’t care, not even remotely. I saw the first two sequels and thought they were bad. I didn’t bother with the third. Of those two, I thought TlJ was particularly bad. It was all over the place with the slow speed chase, the casino sidetrack, and with Luke being some sort of hermit kook.

I’ll say this though: I don’t care. It’s a movie in a very convoluted franchise with a harshly divided fan base. I watch what I like, I ignore what I don’t. I don’t give so much as a passing thought. Truth be told, I haven’t cared for much since 1977. One or two recent offerings, but not worth mentioning here.

Regarding Rian’s tweets and social media posts when he was criticized; Incredibly unprofessional. When you set out to make a sequel in a loved franchise and you openly admit you’re going to turn the franchise and the fans on their ears, be ready for some blowback and be ready for it to be harsh. All that maaaahh deeeeeeek!!! bullshit is just weird and childish. WTF, Rian?

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#1478024
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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theprequelsrule said:
I want an adaption of Heir to The Empire. Why not? Bring what is certainly THE most beloved EU material to life.

As well as being the novel that brought the franchise out of retirement, and setting its course for decades after.
No doubt, it could be done as a heady film or TV series.

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#1477965
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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This is where I think Disney could gain back some ground with disappointed fans by going full-on with the Lando series. It’s possible I’m way off here, but with the divided fan base and critical reaction to the Fett series, now might be a good time to step away from The Saga.

Calrissian is a long beloved character in the franchise and there are all sorts of stories they could tell that didn’t have to weigh in on OT or PT. Give us some stories about all those years before we met him. There’s no end to what they could do. It would be familiar but also new and adventurous at the same time.

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#1477843
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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thebluefrog said:
The Obi-Wan tv series will be interesting to see if the public still cares about Anakin and Obi.

I think that’s the most interesting test\biggest question (not sure how to word it) concerning the Obi-Wan series. How do people really feel about this sort of Prequel reconciliation that seems to be taking place within the Disney shows.

I think Disney hurt their fan base credibility with the Boba Fett series. Fett is a long time universally loved character with the fans. It should have been a slam-dunk and certainly looked to be from the first teaser. It was entirely different and as we’ve seen here, almost polarizing.

Obi-Wan could still be a great series, but it’s not a given anymore. Will be interesting for sure.

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#1477768
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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I’ve not weighed in on the ST because I only saw the first one. I’ll say this though, Star Wars would be MUCH better served if they would have gone with known and liked EU novels.

Add me to the list of people who thought JJ was a poor choice to launch the Disney film era. There are SO many respected and loved novels they could have brought to the silver screen. The weird choice to try and correct films from 20 years earlier really seems an odd direction to take the franchise. Particularly when a lot of fans didn’t think those films needed to be corrected.

Thrawn & Mara Jade would have been awesome and better choices of story lines to continue the franchise.

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#1477716
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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thebluefrog said:
…in 10 years people will have forgotten the sequel characters.
And that’s the real tragedy.

Tragedy?
Natural disasters, genocide, terrorist attacks, global pandemics - those are tragedies. Fictional movies are entertainment. Star Wars isn’t a series of documentaries.
I’ve been waiting 40 years to see Star Wars the way I watched in the theater the summer of 1977. It’s unfortunate that I never will again, but it’s hardly a tragedy.

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#1477483
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What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
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RogueLeader said:
Honestly I think even a different director would’ve led to things being different

I don’t think time of production and release would have made any difference. Prequel fans have had a strong online voice for quite a while. I do think, however, you’re right on the money with it being the choice of director.
A different director, one who wasn’t trying to correct Star Wars, could have made a big difference. Also having a solid narrative throughout the three films would have made a world of difference. That weird approach to letting each person continue where the other person left off is a very weird business model.

If anything, I think the more forgiving view of the Prequels may be a direct response to the sequels being a sort of “careful what you wish for” moment.

Mandalorian, Rogue One, and several of the Visions episodes are proof that great Star Wars stories can be told. The Sequel Trilogy, to me at least, is proof that it isn’t a given just because it has Star Wars in the title.

Edit

And while I’m thinking about it, what is the weird, almost addiction, to everything having to be a trilogy? Star Wars was a single story in 1977 and it worked perfectly. Each of the Visions entries is a single story, the characters’ journey in Rogue One are also a singular story. Hollywood is replete with singular great films. If anything, forcing things into trilogies has often been a bad idea. There is no shortage of terrible and unnecessary sequels to truly great films. More doesn’t guarantee good. But I digress.

The sequel story could have also been great if it were a solid single film - again, with a better director, studio, story, etc. Disney deciding it had to be a three-film series did not help matters at all.

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#1477395
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Did Lucas forget that Obi Wan served Bail Organa in the Clone Wars ?
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Stardust1138 said:
…in the case of an auteur like George…

That’s being very generous. To me, Lucas is nearly the opposite. Star Wars is largely derivative. At times, some of the scenes are nothing more than direct recreations of other films, novels, and comic books. Here is one of the many examples. Plenty of other articles, sites, and video comparisons out there. https://youtu.be/WtGAQLxYZJ0

When I think of auteurs, the first ones who come to mind are Hitchcock, Kubrick, Spielberg, Coppola, Fellini, Orson Wells, Penny Marshall, Jordon Peele, Nora Ephron, and a few others.

Now that I’m guilty of further derailing the discussion, perhaps we can get back to it.

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#1477263
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Things you DISLIKE about the Original Trilogy ( but not the Ewoks, Leia and Luke being siblings, Death Star 2 etc.)
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Stardust1138 said:
the only thing I can think of that I dislike about the Original Trilogy is Luke and Leia kissing but in a way there’s a lot of mythology that does the same thing. So while it is weird that they do kiss it’s not completely unheard of within myth and we know it influenced George

They weren’t related when he wrote the movie. No mythology, no influences, no anything else. It was a farm boy and a princess in the only thing Lucas had written. There was no Original Vision or multi-film Saga

Star Wars was just a single outer space adventure movie. It’s well documented that he wrote the Empire line ”no, there is another” without having any idea where he would go with the story.

He had writer’s block later and ham-fisted his way out of it. It’s weird because it was poorly handled by a bad writer. If Lucas really had anything beyond one film in mind, he wouldn’t have hired two writers to come up with possible sequels to his only script.

It’s truly sad how Lucas has spent decades crafting this revised image of himself as some deep thinker who embarked on a grand 12-film/6-film/9-film/the media made that up/it was always my idea/etc, Saga (genuflect).
The only thing Lucas is truly great at is revising history. Some of us got on this merry-go-round at the beginning. We know the truth because we were there as it was happening.

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/George-Lucas-Star-Wars-Creator-Unreliable-Narrator-Time-Travelling-Revisionist/id/66986

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#1476696
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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BedeHistory731 said:

Also, piracy exists. You can support the show without your finances! I wouldn’t 100% encourage it, but it’s an option.

Watch it or don’t watch it, but be aware of stealing and our position on it. #3 and #4.

https://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Fan-Edit-Preservation-Forum-Rules-and-FAQ-updated-as-of-June-1st-2020/id/5950/page/1#1351470

EDIT:
Sorry about that, Tobar . Didn’t read to the end of the page before I jumped in.

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#1475659
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Pattinson confirmed as Batman.
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Review, with mild ***** SPOILERS *****

You may or not be aware, but Ive been a Batman uber-nerd since grade school. To say the least, I’m a tough audience. For me, it’s always been 1966 and 1989 only.

No second Keaton/Burton (it was terrible). The Schumacher films were insultingly bad. Nolan/Bale was too much of everything and to me they haven’t aged well at all. Ledger should have gotten an Oscar for scene chewing. 1 or 2 viewings and I said goodbye. They look like cosplay at a comic book convention.

Skipped all the Affleck films. No interest. DC lost me with their inability to understand their own characters. Don’t get me started. Which brings me to this new film;

Pattinson nails this darker version. Plus - Batman as a detective - and the villain isnt the focus of the film, Batman is. What a novel idea. Oh, and FINALLY, we don’t have to watch Bruce’s parents being murdered. Zoë Kravitz Is the best Catwoman since Lee Meriwether. She is a perfect live action version of Catwoman as she’s been drawn and portrayed for the past ten years. Several of the Batman/Catwoman scenes looked like they used the current comic books as storyboards. Really well done.

I like that the film doesn’t try to be anything it isn’t. It tells a story of Batman and does it unapologetically and without pretense. That’s something I didn’t care for with the Nolan films. There was this sort of air about them that they were to be the true and authentic Batman. There isn’t one after 80 years of the character and all the changes in the Golden, Silver, Bronze, and Modern ages of the comic books.

My other favorites, ‘66 and ‘89, were authentic versions of specific periods in the comics. The TV show was an exact representation of what the comic books were in the 60s. Several episodes were direct lifts from specific issues.

Burton89 had Frank Miller’s fingerprints all over it. After Burton, each new take seemed to be insinuating that it was a correction to the previous mistake - whether either side of that argument is true or not. I can’t speak to Batfleck, so I won’t.

I very much appreciate that this new film is its own story and take. I like that, as a lifelong fan, I can sit and watch Batman without it having any franchise or fan base subtext.

It feels clean, as an entity. The way ‘66 and ‘89 did. It speaks to my outlook on the world at this point in my journey. After a few days of pondering it, as well as having these emotional reactions as the story progressed in the theater, this is my go-to now.

In short, I really liked it. I’ll see it repeatedly and buy it. Will elaborate if the discussion warrants it. Also, I’ve been listening to the soundtrack all day while I worked. It took a lot to back ‘66 and ‘89 down a bit, but this has done it. My Batworld is now ‘66, ‘89, and ‘22.

Second viewing in a few days, third a week later and then waiting for the home release.

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#1475567
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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theprequelsrule said:

Let us get back on track before the mods make us shall we?

Best advice so far.

I mean, originally Vader was not Luke’s father, Beru and Owen were actually Obi wan’s family etc.

I’m truly sorry Lucas got away with making sure people forgot about that.

Back to the topic. Disney has really leaned into bringing the Prequels back into the franchise. Not being familiar with the Prequels, I’m not as clear on when I’m seeing a tie-in. I recognize a few though (I think) and I’ve had to make peace with them when watching Bad Batch, which I really like. Same with Mando, which I also really like. I’ve seen a few I’m sure of and I’ve accepted that it’s the price of admission for these shows. No doubt, Kenobi will be thick with them. Can’t say for sure I’ll watch it beyond an episode or two.

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#1474754
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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MalaStrana#2 said:

Buzz Lightyear said:

People really need to stop projecting so many expectations onto Star Wars.

People really need to stop projecting so many assumptions onto how others consume tv shows and movies.

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plural hypocrisies

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#1472141
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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jedi_bendu said:

I’ve never said it before, but I’m an occasional article writer for the website sweditorig.com and posted a full review of The Book of Boba Fett the other day. Here it is in case anyone is interested.

https://www.sweditorig.com/post/the-book-of-boba-fett-series-review

Well articulated, reviewed, and written, sir. I have to say, after chewing on the whole series a bit now that it’s over, I agree fully with your article. I started excited, became more so, suddenly lost interest, scratched my head at Mando Season 3 episode (even though it was my favorite), loved Ms Howard’s episode, then enjoyed bits of the finale. I’ll look for more of your work on that site. Again, great piece.

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#1471670
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I’ll add a couple of positives for me that I left out of my initial review of the final episode. I liked the way Fett killed Bane. It was Fett being shown as the capable and sometimes ruthless tough guy we’ve long known him to be. He looked and acted strong standing over a soon to be victim.

I also really liked the X-Wing entrance for Grogu. I was totally expecting Luke to sleepwalk through another sequence and deliver him, while going on to a lengthy discussion with Fett and Mando about who knows what. Having R2 deliver him was a great surprise touch. Also happy we get to fill in Grogu making his choice to Luke with our imaginations. For me, that whole sequence - X-Wing approach, Peli having a mild panic about it, to the cockpit opening is possibly my favorite part of the entire series.

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#1471455
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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idir_hh said:

This finale and now in retrospect, this show, was a complete, and utter, mess.

Having seen the last episode just now, I have to say I agree. I enjoyed all The Mandalorian parts, but the rest seems pointless. The Luke episode even more so. He did nothing but sit around. In 1983 I found Jedi Luke boring. 40 years later, I still do.
As for Fett himself, the best of this Book was last year’s teaser.
There were moments where I found the last battle interesting, but it was too long and at times unfocused. I liked all the Rancor parts. That worked well I thought.

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#1469356
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I agree. It wasn’t a wasted episode. To me, It was the most interesting by far. Not surprising though because it’s an episode of The Mandalorian. That’s the show I’m interested in, not the BOBF, which has been lackluster. A great deal of which is the weird choice to light everything like a 1980s soap opera. WAY too much light. It all looks like a TV show with a limited budget, all filmed on sets. It looks and feels nothing like the teaser we got last year or any Boba episodes of The Mandalorian.

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#1468334
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I’d be fully on board with them bringing in Omega and Rex. That would give the story some needed depth.
If not, I think it would be great to see a live action version of the two of them in a series of their own.

For Omega, they could cast Angourie Rice. She’s a ringer for Omega and she has the chops to bring her to life.

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#1468055
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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SilverWook said:

Lucas said, (at the time anyway) he was going for an Arabian Nights fat sultan vibe with Jabba. Would you rather Jabba have looked like this guy? 😉

Yes. 😉

At least he was someone who could move and function like a crime boss.

That said; having him as someone who is never seen, just a plot point to keep our rogue hero on the run worked much better for two films. We never needed to see him. He worked perfectly as an unseen threat.