Ronster said:
I am leaning toward it being found in depths of cloud city... Is that from the Thrawn trilogy?
Yes, but it was uused for something else.
Bingowings said:
An Uncle Owen figure would smack his way out of any packaging.
That's because he has all that work to do in the South Ridge.
I agree with you guys on it being both unethical and a little unsettling. Recasting the role is fine. The story is far more important.
Doctor Who 50th for me also. Beyond that, I can't remember the last time I had to see something on opening night. The type of insanity that this will bring is enough to keep me away for a few days before I jump into the craziness surrounding a sequel 32 years in the making.
When I do, it will almost certainly be Alamo Draft House where they govern the insanity very well. I'll avoid what I can with regard to spoilers, but I have to be here, so a few may get by. No big deal.
ATMachine said:
Yeah, as I said, originally Luke and Leia definitely were not twins.
The question of them not being related, however, may be another story entirely...
...have you ever seen Der Ring des Nibelungen?
I figured someone might show their ass over the way I worded my post.
In answer to your query; With my wife having worked at Houston Grand Opera for a number of years, yes, I've seen the Ring Cycle. Doesn't apply here.
Regarding Luke and Leia; Their ages and proof they were never meant to be related.
From the shooting script for Star Wars:
EXT. TATOOINE - DESERT WASTELAND - DAY
A death-white wasteland stretches from horizon to horizon.
The tremendous heat of two huge twin suns settle on a lone
figure, Luke Skywalker, a farm boy with heroic aspirations
who looks much younger than his eighteen years.
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INT. REBEL BLOCKADE RUNNER
Threepio stands in a hallway, somewhat bewildered. Artoo is
nowhere in sight. The pitiful screams of the doomed Rebel
soldiers can be heard in the distance.
THREEPIO
Artoo! Artoo-Detoo, where are you?
A familiar clanking sound attacks Threepio's attention and
he spots little Artoo at the end of the hallway in a smoke-
filled alcove. A beautiful young girl (about sixteen years
old) stands in front of Artoo. Surreal and out of place,
dreamlike and half hidden in the smoke, she finishes adjusting
something on Artoo's computer face, then watches as the little
robot joins his companion.
I stand corrected if it wasn't Lucas who boned up that major plot point. From what I've read through the years, I was under the impressionthat Lucas micromanaged both sequels, as well as all EU.
John Doom said:
About that "felt familiar", my guess is that Luke had a vision of Dagobah (like later with Cloud City), but he doesn't remember it anymore as usually happens with dreams.
That's all I've ever thought it was. Start spending too much time trying to assign deep meaning to anything from Lucas and you end up realizing he was a weak writer and story teller. His quality work is when he's collaborated with people who are talented: Marcia, Kurtz, Spielberg, Kasdan, Ford, etc.
He wrote, filmed, and released the "no, there is another" scene without giving any thought to where it would go or who 'the other' actually was. As has been proven in countless interviews with people who worked closely with him, Lucas doesn't think much beyond the moment or the surface. Fix it on the fly later (poorly).
My first ever crush. TV, Hollywood, or otherwise. No one ever matched up to her. It's a bad day.
FanFiltration said:
Tobar said:
The more I look at that photo the more I think the guy with the mustache is Biggs. I could see them wanting to expand on his character to heighten the impact of his loss in Star Wars.
He definitely has a Biggs vibe.
Tobar said:
As to the point, like I already said; in the original film his death is supposed to be this big moment but since the audience doesn't know the guy it has no impact.
I agree, no impact at all. He's someone to many of us here but he was little more than a mention in Star Wars. He's a much bigger part of the expanded NPR version, before Luke gets the droids and later when they meet again before the Death Star attack. It would be nice to have him featured so prominently in the film.
That was my first thought as well. Similar to the piece Halla has in Splinter Of The Mind's Eye. It would really be nice to get some mysticism back into the story.
John Doom said:
Back on topic, was it already confirmed that the two protagonists are related to the Skywalkers? I'd like totally new main characters.
Without last names given to some of them, it's just assumed they are related (unless I've missed a leak or announcement).
I'd like unrelated characters as well. However, considering we're just coming out of 15 years of indiscriminate story shrinking, a single familial relation is at least a step in the right direction.
Seems like an awful lot of strong opinions for a film that wont be released until at least four years from now.
I REALLY dislike the way Lucas made light saber color a thing. All in the name of pinwheel aesthetics in place of writing. Style over substance.
It has to generate 1.21 Jakkuwatts.
I like the grouping and coloring of the X-Wings and TIEs, but not much else. Strutzan is a fine movie character artist (one sheets and novels), but everything is much too big.
On the small canvas of a novel, fine. On a film one-sheet, give the characters room to breathe. Pull back and give the design some landscape, some sense of scale. It's an adventure in outer space, not a dinner party.
I don't need to see every character. I need to feel the remote and vast setting.
Sevb32 said:
Anchorhead said:
Luke's uniform is the first thing I've been disappointed in with the new film. It feels like a continuation of Lucas's inability to write.
And I'm sure someone else would be disappointed if it was otherwise. They can't F'n please everyone. WTF does it have to do with writing anyway? And last I looked Lucas didn't write it.
Correct. Lucas didn't write it. He did, however, write the continuation of the Jedis for the prequels, 20 years after the 1977 film. Considering they were the guardians of peace for the galaxy, it seems poorly written to have them all dressed as farmers from a nearly deserted and extremely remote planet.
That's WTF it has to do with the writing.
Luke's uniform is the first thing I've been disappointed in with the new film. It feels like a continuation of Lucas's inability to write.
ZkinandBonez said:
...but it's a tad better than making a blatant reference to Don Quixote.
Don Quixote and Don Juan aren't the same person. Different stories and very different characters.
*edit*
I missed the Kahotay reference. Lame on both counts.
I'm assuming it's an ID sort of change. Several of the First Order troopers and ships have an asymmetrical red accent somewhere. If he were being used by the First Order, it would make sense that he was branded in a similar fashion as the other equipment. He's just a walking computer.
Downloading 10 at this very moment.
I've had 8 for about a year. Little getting used to, but no complaints. I'll post after I've given 10 a thorough test drive.
After someone at work brought up Batman v Superman and wondered if Affleck would do the role proud, I thought I’d peck out my thoughts on my alter-ego and first ever hero. At 40+ years of channeling him, I’ve seen a lot of changes.
I’ll go with this as my topic sentence; I think Affleck will be a better Wayne\Batman than Bale. Yeah, that’s what I said. ;-) Nothing against Bale, but he’s a Batman, not the Batman. I like those films a lot and they have some great moments, but they reached a weird sort of fan uberhype that started to wear on me.
There seems to be a large portion of the fan base who have collectively decided no one could ever top Bale or the Nolanverse. I think that was the genesis of the anti-Affleck campaign. They didn’t want anyone else to play Batman. It comes across as if it would somehow lessen Bale’s legitimacy if there were ever another actor in the role. Sort of a last-film-wins mentality.
The Star Wars Prequels apologists are now doing the same thing with The Force Awakens. They come across as threatened now that their preferred version is no longer the most current version. It’s been rather amusing. They’ve spent years blathering (sometimes quite douchey) about how the prequels were the final, true version of the story and OT supporters needed to "just get over it". Very much in that same last-film-wins mentality.
Now that The Force Awakens has taken over as the face of the franchise and resurrected interest in the 1977 film, some of them can’t slam it often enough. What they perceive to be their films are now being replaced with a new non-Lucas trilogy and the originals (in their original form) are being fully appreciated on a national level again (can a proper DVD release of the 1977 version be far behind?).
The Prequel Apologists are getting an even heavier dose because their beloved Lucas sold the franchise and has absolutely zero to do with the new film and the subsequent restoration of the franchise. Truthfully, there are plenty of them who just don’t know what to do now. Their devotion to Lucas was equal parts fascinating and disturbing.
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“Mulder, if there’s a point, please feel free to come to it”
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For me, the Nolan\Bale films got heavy after a while. Maybe also a little too real, for lack of a better word. I prefer Batman to be a little more mysterious. I don’t need every intimate bit of minutia regarding every bit of his character, his costume, his childhood friends, his gear, the Batmobile, the Batcave, or any other thing that shapes him.
I certainly don’t need to know which factory, in which country, made whichever portion of the cowl, and how many were on the order paperwork.... WTF, Nolan?
Regarding Bale often being touted as the be-all, end-all; Batman is a 76-year-old franchise with the character having been depicted in over 12, 250 comics, 74 graphic novels, 2 film serials, 8 feature films (soon to be 9), a 3-year 120-episode iconic TV show, and 7 animated TV series. The character is alive and well.
Batman looks to be in very capable hands with Affleck. I agree with Adam West, who also addressed the anti-Affleck noise not long ago when he said; "I've heard a lot of adverse comments. I think it's ridiculous. He'll be much better than you think. Go see his current movie [Gone Girl] and you'll see glimpses of Batman." Personally, I’d also add Argo to that list. He most certainly has the chops.
The nerdosphere needs to look no further than the Nolan\Bale films themselves for the best explanation;
“The idea was to be a symbol. Batman could be anybody”.
Really digging the new suit and chest sigil. A nice nod back to the black & grey from the comics of the 40s, 50s, 80s, and brought back in the 2000s. It's nearly identical to his look in The Dark Knight Returns.
Speaking of which, it looks like they’re very clearly taking inspiration for that story also, e.g. Batman retired, Superman\superhero activity outlawed by the govt, etc. In the trailer Bruce Wayne saves a young girl from a destroyed building. In TDKR, Carrie Kelley (a teenage girl) takes over the mantle of Robin after Batman saves her.
There is an apparently no-longer-used Robin suit in the new film’s trailer. Maybe we’re seeing Jason Todd’s suit and a young Carrie. If Batman retires for ten years, as he did in TDKR, it would give the young Carrie time to become the correct age to be Robin. I’d dig it. It would bring an interesting dynamic. Similar to Beware The Batman, which I'm a huge fan of.
Also in TDKR, Batman can fight Kal-El if he’s been weakened by Kryptonite as long as he has an armored suit, both of which we see in the trailer. I think they’re staying a lot closer to TDKR than was first let on. This could be really good.
Also, the trailer has an awesome nod to The Dark Knight Returns. Didn't catch it until about the fifth viewing. It's quick, but I screen-grabbed it.
It has the asymmetrical red accent that seems prominent in the new film.
SilverWook said:
That is the funniest, most realistic picture of Yoda I've ever seen. If I liked the character, I'd consider it as an avatar.
