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#125183
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/125183/action/topic#125183
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Originally posted by: DarthAstuart
I do think one significant distinction is that the prequels HAD to have been made with at least one eye toward the marketing and tie-ins, and I don't know that ESB was. ANH definitely wasn't cause who knew if toys and shit would even sell?

Fox didn't think the film was going to do too well, so instead of giving Lucas a cut of the box office take, they gave him the rights to the marketing tie-ins as a token gesture. Little did they know the Pandora's Box they were opening by turning product tie-ins over to a marketing genius.

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ROTJ was the beginning--that interview bit from lucas (in one of the many books) where he reveals he created the ewoks so that he could have a toy ewok to give his daughter.

He really is a sad figure.

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#125182
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/125182/action/topic#125182
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Originally posted by: electrictroy

Just off the top of my head, here are some sci-fi stories I consider superior to Star Wars:

- Gattaca - .....

An awesome film and a great story as well. I would add Solaris to my list of great science fiction stories also.


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Star Wars....from a not-so-talented author. ...if you expect more, you're going to be disappointed.

Which is exactly why he shouldn't have given us any more after 1977. He should have quit while he was ahead. When Star Wars was all there was. Personally, I didn't need to know any more about the characters or the story. I had my imagination for that.
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#125181
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/125181/action/topic#125181
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Originally posted by: The Bizzle
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It will instead be long remembered for how vulgar the mass marketing tie-ins became.

how vulgar they "Became?"

I was speaking of the whole Star Wars timeline - 1977 to 2005. I should have been more clear on that.

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chances are... you were like, 8 years old and wanted to buy the stuff.

No, I was 16 and had no interest in it.

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The prequels don't do ANYTHING to the first films unless you LET THEM.

Yes, I KNOW that. That's WHY I didn't SEE any OF them after TPM.


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the prequels are their own movies

That's not the way Lucas sees it. He's doing everything he can to make sure that future generations(as well as the current fans) can't seperate the two either.

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But to claim that these movies didn't get over-merchandised until 1999 is ridiculousness.

I didn't make that claim - you assumed I did.

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you can ignore the prequels. It's real easy.

Yes it is, and I have.

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You're telling me TPM, AOTC and ROTS somehow made Star Wars and Empire LESS GOOD?
Don't buy it.

When viewed as a single entity (as Lucas would like people to), yes - the last 4 films weaken the story and taint the history of the actual films because most people won't single ANH or ESB out - and Lucas is working as fast and as hard as he can to see to it that they can't.
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#124639
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/124639/action/topic#124639
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Originally posted by: Jedikev
.... a bunch of fucking bullshit.
Everything about LucASS' prequels are.

I completely agree. They radically cheapened the credibility of the first films. The Star Wars saga will never be considered great film making now. It will instead be long remembered for how vulgar the mass marketing tie-ins became. It may have been different if he left the two sets of films separate. People could choose one storyline or the other. Instead, he made everything in the prequels somehow related to the first trilogy - no matter how preposterous or small the story became. Even more obscene is how he altered the first set of films 25 years later by castrating and altering characters, and adding footage from the new films. All in the name of marketing tie-ins directed at children.

Sad.
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#123911
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123911/action/topic#123911
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
...if he had just alowed the guard to shoot.

He would have killed one of the more popular characters in the film. One that represents a huge portion of the marketing tie-ins. No more Chewie action figures or halloween costumes - no more using Chewie to sell potato chips, breakfast cereal, candy, tacos, or soft drinks.

Marketing first, story last.

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#123266
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Quotes from Gary Kurtz
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/123266/action/topic#123266
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Originally posted by: joe_H
...he is wrongly given this credit by disgruntled fanboys like those on this site. It's a complete load of bull.

...He created nothing, wrote nothing, and directed nothing...

...Typical stupidity from whiny fanboys angry at Lucas...who don't have a clue.

...Bullshit Kurtz. You split over money

....At least McCallum can keep a film on budget and on schedule, unlike Kurtz.

...If Kurtz was half as brilliant as disenchanted fanboys think he is, he would have his pick of films to produce.


Dude....might be time to start considering decaf.

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#122567
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Quotes from Gary Kurtz
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/122567/action/topic#122567
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"There's a lot of undercurrent in Star Wars .....the thing that bothered me a bit about Jedi and certainly about Episode I, is that those layers, those subtexts – they're all gone. ..... There's nothing to ponder."

That's exactly what I was referring to in another post when I said Lucas started to shrink the adventure of the story towards the end of Empire. He continued to do it even more in the prequels.

That is an awesome read, especially coming from someone who was there.
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#120949
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What about you? The moment when you "divorced" from the Lucas policy about SW?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120949/action/topic#120949
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I said goodbye to anything new regarding Star Wars in 1983. Return Of The Jedi was so bad, that I knew back then that the first two films were all I would ever care to see. Of all that has been done since, I've only seen Phantom Menace. I decided to give him one more chance. That's seven dollars I wish I had back.

No big deal really. I can watch the original version of the first film whenever I want and I listen to the original soundtrack several times a year. That's all I need, so I'm happy. Fact is, I haven't seen Empire Strikes Back in about 6 years.

Star Wars circa 1977 is all I'm really interested in.
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#120744
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/120744/action/topic#120744
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Originally posted by: fans own the trilogy
Well if you did any digging yourself you could easily find information that contradicts his statement of having it all planned out before hand.

Shimraa is only interested in contradicting the people who post on this board.
Contradiction gives Shimraa a feeling of control - the ability to cause agitation and generate debate.
All boards, regardless of their subject matter, have a few people like Shimraa. People who take an opposing stance solely for the purpose of keeping things stirred up. It's empowering for them. Someone who really likes all 6 films the way they are now, has no real reason to be on this board. However, if Shimraa were to go on the other boards where there were people who felt the same way, he\she would be lost in the crowd. Here, Shimraa gets to stand out, to have an identity, to have control.

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#119804
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Did George actually have an "original vision?"
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/119804/action/topic#119804
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Just one movie, just it's story. Read his early drafts. They aren't part of some grand saga. Nor do they lend themselves to becoming one. Which is clearly obvious in how the movies aren't even close to consistent from one to the next. The plot holes (what little plot there is) out him as a liar.
Around 1980, he made the switch from filmmaker to businessman.