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#265859
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265859/action/topic#265859
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
So instead you're going to turn it into a thread about YOUR thoughts, is that it?


No? Not sure where you got that notion from. I've done nothing but try and end this since I entered the thread.

I'm attempting to get everybody to sit down and have a lovely cup of tea, and be civil, and end the pointless arguement, accusations, and insults.



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#265856
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The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265856/action/topic#265856
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
So going by your last post, it's okay for me to not like WoW, but I can't post saying that I don't like WoW, because that's "FANNING the flames." Maybe that's not what you meant, but given my history with this thread, that seems to be about right.


What am I supposed to think when the WoW Gestapo shows up from out of nowhere on our forum to quash the negative words spoken by one of our long-time members? So he thinks the radio station is dumb. Big deal! He's allowed to like and dislike what he wants to. I think the idea of a WoW radio station is pointless, just like a Star Wars radio station would be pointless. That's just what I think.

A long-time member here (one who really doesn't post that often, I might add) writes about three lines about how he thinks WoW Radio is sad, and all of a sudden the WoW guys flock here to start a fight and, basically, to get us to apologize. Which is worse, posting on one's own forum and saying he doesn't like something, or the supporters invading another site and demanding an apology? If one of our members were to go to the WoW forums to demand an apology for their bashing Star Wars, I would have the exact same reaction to him.

Some people have insulted WoW and the radio station and have apologized for it. I, personally, won't. Why? Am I being hard-headed? Am I being irrational? I don't see why. I don't like WoW (and that's an opinion formed after playing it), and I think the radio station is a stupid idea. I don't see why I should have to apologize for that.


No, no no. I saw your post as fanning the flames not because you don't like WoW (I actually must have missed where you expressed that opinion) but because after we had begun to quiet down, you came back and started making accusations and telling people to "fucking get over it".

It had nothing to do with what you think of WoW.

Look, I already told you guys that I do not enjoy petty conflict like this. I just don't. So I'm putting myself out here and trying to clarify what I meant, ease tensions, and just end this misunderstanding. I'm asking you to stand with me here and do the same.

The thread, despite your thoughts, is about what HotRod said. We have already solved that issue. I ask of you...please don't turn it into a thread about *your* thoughts, now. :/
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#265844
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265844/action/topic#265844
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No, you continue to misunderstand.

I blew up because you're FANNING the flames. Telling people to "fucking get over it" and bringing up crap about people trying to "convince you to like the game". (which probably occured, but not by me, and likely not in the last page or so, where civil discussion has reigned)

Your posts are here are nothing but a deliberate attempt to sabotage what was turning into an honest discussion. Plain and simple. You degrade me because I attempt to solve a hostile arguement between two parties. Who cares what they're arguing about? It's stupid, so I came here to end it. As I stated, I have nearly succeeded in such.

I will state for what is likely the third time I have done so: I don't care if you like WoW. I don't care if you bash it. Go ahead. It does not matter to me. It does matter if you try to fan the flames, pour gasoline on the fire. You're trolling at this point, trying to turn my kind and understanding words into some kind of message of conversion.

Quite simply, you're twisting words, and from what I've seen, you're quite good at it. If you think my posts were the definition of "bitching out people who don't like WoW", why did I garner such support for my words from people from THESE VERY FORUMS? Please explain this to me.

I think you're being irrational. I came here to solve the issue, to clarify, to hopefully end this arguement. I nearly succeeded in doing so, but suddenly, after civil discussion endured for about a page, you decided to come in and start throwing accusations at me and then proceeding to bash me into the ground? And bring up old feuds from the likes of pages one and two? What did you hope to accomplish? Was there not enough hostility already in this thread? Was the idea of it ending that painful to you?

And you have the nerve to tell *me* to grow up. Puh. I really do hope this post helps you comprehend just what the hell is going on.
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#265841
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265841/action/topic#265841
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Originally posted by: Nanner Split
This thread is ridiculous. It's like you guys are determined to make us like WoW, and it's unacceptable if we don't.

I personally think it's stupid, and a waste of time. You may disagree with me, but I'm entitled to think that way.

So some people don't like the game you obsess over (and yes, this thread, if nothing else. proves that you obsess over). F*cking deal with it.


Will you just READ? This is impossible to be civil with you people, and solve this stupid arguement, if you do not start opening your eyes and reading my goddam posts.

I don't care if you like WoW or not. I don't give two shits! Please, please, sit down and read through my posts. Ever since your last post, the only posts that have been coming out are posts of understanding, reason, and civil discussion.

Yet, you had to go and suddenly try to pour gasoline on a dying fire. Nice, brilliant fucking move. Look, I came here to smother the fire, and because I think the arguement was so stupid to begin with (seeing as it's all because of miscommunication) I wished to see it end and for both parties to understand each other. The problem is people like you barge in here without reading anything and start spewing crap about people trying to "get you to like WoW".

You need to practice what you preach, sir. The arguement was over. It was dying down to nothing, with both sides coming together and clarifying their thoughts and channeling these energies into reasonable words. The arguement is OVER. Please, "fucking deal with it".

Do I sound pissed? Yeah, I know I do, and I apologize, but it's clear that my calm and docile words didn't get through to some people. Disappointing. Early in this thread, some people from these forums judged all WoW fans from the actions of one or two people. If I were inclined to be so unfair and ignorant, and judge all people on this site from you, then I would truly weep at the ignorance and lack of comprehension displayed by that group of people.
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#265836
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265836/action/topic#265836
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Ok, forgive me: I had yet another essay typed up, and I lost it due to some technical problems of not logging on before hitting Reply to Thread. Great. So here is a much quicker rundown of what I was about to post.

Thanks to Evolution and HotRod, for clarifying the situation to a near stand-still. I can fully understand the situation now, and maybe even TB could come in and post his thoughts? Nevertheless, HotRod, the time for insults and hostility has passed, so please stop. We're all civil beings, and I think you're one of the only people with insults still on his mind. Let it go.

Blizzard is indeed a brilliant gaming company. StarCraft was their most amazing achievement to date, but their latest games are also incredibly good. I've researched WoW rather heavily and I'm more than sure that if I had possessed the time I'd be addicted to it by now. But it's a game. Games are about fun gameplay. Anything beyond that is nerdy interest. As a gamer that regularly obsesses over his games in insane ways, I can simultaneously realize how out of touch I am at the same time. Why are you "relieved" and "thankful" that Hotrod has nothing against online games? Why even discuss it? What purpose does this discussion serve for you? Are you trying to make WoW converts? (I ask these questions because I really am curious about the motivation here.)


Why make this discussion. Hmm. I am thinking that you'd know why I am here if you'd actually opened your eyes to continue reading, my friend. To stop the incessant, childish bickering that has gripped these two sites, that's why I am here! I have nearly succeeded in such.

Read a little deeper. I'm not sure what is causing you to overlook this, but I clearly state that I am relieved and thankful that he does not hold vendettas against abstract ideas such as online gaming because that is very irrational and the fact that he does not hold such ridiculous grudges means I have "more room to work with".

Your post also makes two things clear:

1) You disrespect me by neglecting to read the discussion in its full. You begin spouting off about how I should admit that I am nerdy and that listening to WoW Radio (the little bit I do) is nerdy. Problem is, I've already done so. Almost everyone in this thread had vouched for their own nerdom. So, the onus is on you: why are you still talking about it?

2) The second fact you missed. WoW Radio's subjects. Best armor, best spec for rogues? I am not aware that WoW Radio is so simple. The programs I tune into it, few though they may be, are not. For examples of topics I enjoyed listening to, please read the rest of my posts, as I listed some. You clearly have not read my posts in their entirety, as #1 attests to.

Your jab at Blizzard's "uninspired" stories also has no place in your post. (I'm sensing some sort of Warhammer Fantasy fanboy uprising incoming, but I could be wrong) Are you trying to get a rise out of me? You'll be sorely disappointed, as you're entitled to whatever opinion you may like on Blizzard's storylines. I enjoy them immensely. I love the rich backstory and lore they have created, as do millions. What you think of them is irrelevent both to me and to the topic at hand.

Most insulting is how you act like I claimed it wasn't nerdy. That is simply totally untrue and it just proves how little of my posts you've actually read. *sigh* Please go back, read them, and then return and you can hopefully make more informed posts.

That's it. Perhaps it's better I simply did a recap, as my last post was rather long. I wasn't up to writing it again. I swear, though, that happens to me all the time. I get a huge post and then lose it. Ah well. Glad to see we're coming to an understanding, all.


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#265808
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265808/action/topic#265808
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Indeed. I think it is quite crazy to make an account and just spam the joint with insults. I, however, joined up to engage in a civil conversation and try to help you guys see why TotalBiscuit responded the way he did. I stand with him, and him alone. Any other Warcrafter who has come here to insult you guys is on his own.

I believe that the point is this...this, "hatred" was directed at somebody's hard work. Not a game, which is a company's hard work, for sure, but an honest man with an honest hobby who does this because he loves it. That's what bore the brunt of the hurtful comments, and that is why TB responded here.

Insult World of Warcraft all you guys want. I do not care, nor will I think anything of it. I will continue to play it and likely forget anything you had to say on the matter within an hour anyhow. But, I do think, once again, that TB was clearly offended by his hard work being slandered (not World of Warcraft; rather, WoW Radio) and he responded in the manner he did.

I feel like I am not getting my point across, which is that TB was simply reacting just like ANY of you would have if your hard work was put down in such a harsh manner.

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#265805
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265805/action/topic#265805
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
This is going to be brief because I'm tired. I don't think it was ever really about someone not being open to someone else's point of view. Despite that I think it's a pretty good and fun idea to have a radio station dedicated to your hobby (no dorkier than G4, right?), I can certainly see how an outsider would find it to be somewhat laughable. And had I been in on this thread from the beginning, I probably would have been making some jokes about it, too. Nothing personal or serious, just having some fun. The way I see it, the problem started with miscommunication, misinterpretation, oversensitivity, and defensiveness. TotalBiscuit was offended by the previous posts. His retaliation was to make fun of us. Our "side" got defensive about being called out for it. Things escalated, more WoW people came just to complain. Our side became less likely to sympathize and more eager to fight back. And now we have this thing ballooning out of control, and it might take some time for everybody to get rational again. We'll just have to see.

But, anyway, fun talking to you. Goodnight.


Bloody well said, my friend. It's called escalation, as you put it. Quite simply, all it takes is for a simple miscommunication or misunderstanding of words to take place, one side takes offense, and things escalate to the levels of hostility we are currently set at. People need to calm down and converse on a rational level, as I have been doing for several posts now with these two fellows.
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#265803
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265803/action/topic#265803
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I do agree with your point about how people should not come trolling simply because an individual does not like World of Warcraft. However, let me simply state that this began from the insults thrown at WoW Radio (I believe), not the game itself. I think TotalBiscuit was justified in giving you guys his 2 cents, but most of the others...were not. I think we can agree on this for the most part, yes?

Furthermore, just for quick clarification, I don't listen to WoW Radio for tips. I was not aware there were programs that give tips. Most of what I have listened to has discussed the immense lore behind the game (trust me, you laugh- but it's like talking about the huge backstory of, say, Lord of the Rings, or, Star Wars! ) which is truly entertaining, as I am a writer myself currently drafting backstory to an epic sci-fi trilogy I've been formulating since I was a high-school freshman. And other topics were about the evolution of endgame in WoW, and discussions about controversial topics within the community. (not that you, a nonplayer, will understand, but issues such as the Cross Faction classes)

Just wanted to clarify before people started thinking it was a station where some guy spouted off what was the best weapon to use and the best places to level.
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#265800
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265800/action/topic#265800
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Wow, I wasn't expecting quick replies, so I suppose I'll be responding sooner than I thought.

I will say that if indeed HotRod's post was half in jest, then sure, I think this is blown way out of proportion. But something tells me it is not, and while I do agree with some of your thoughts on stereotypes, they are pretty harmful in this situation as all I see are WoWers being slandered into looking like, as you say, 30-year olds in their mum's basement. Likewise, we're all big boys (presumably?), so I think we all know that many generalizations, this one included, are not true.

As for being able to poke fun at oneself, I think I've already shown that I am willing to do so. I openly admit to being a nerd. We all are. So what? I'm proud of it. I believe myself to be more enlightened and cultured than most people I know, and I'm sure it's because I engage in "nerdy" activities. The fact that I still have a life is something I take pride in, knowing that I am just another case of somebody who defies the typical "gamer" stereotype.

Man, this feels totally off topic. But I do hope this sort of discussion leads to the mending of ways by both parties. If indeed your fellow forumers are already open to the point of view and opinions I have expressed in my little "essay" (my apologies, WESHALLPRESERVE, for invading and posting such essays ) then I challenge them to say so. I say this simply because I have felt nothing but deregatory insults, harmful stereotyping, and downright slander towards World of Warcraft players in this thread. EDIT: Just to make it clear, numerous injustices have been spoken by both sides.

This is what led me to my previous assumptions that you guys were in fact *not* open to my point of view. My apologies if my assumptions were indeed incorrect.

I look forward to your reply. We're on a good path to settling this, I am sure. Cheers!
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#265792
Topic
The saddest thing ever - WOW Radio!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/265792/action/topic#265792
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Hey, all. Yes, another World of Warcraft player has signed up here just to give his thoughts. I have been playing this game since release. I have been a gamer for most of my life, and a Warcraft fan for over five years. I discovered WoW Radio relatively recently, and occasionally browse the forums, post a thought or two here and there. I listen to one or two of the shows, and anxiously await TB's next one to air. I was browsing these forums when I saw a topic witha title, something or 'nother about the "Star Wars Kid" and I entered and found this debacle waiting for me.

First off, yes, I stand by World of Warcraft. It is truly a great game, and Blizzard Entertainment is truly a great game developer. I enjoy online games. I love games in general. I thrive on competition, teaming up with friends to defeat impossible odds, and relaxing after a hard day at work. I am aware HotRod has expressed he has nothing against online games, and this is a relief to me as it makes you appear more rational in my eyes and gives me more room to work with. I am thankful for this.

This does appear to be a ridiculous subject matter to converse on, but I would like to point out that we should be working this issue out rather than throwing insults. The WoW player "less QQ more pewpew" who made the random post of drivel up top on page 3? Get out of here. We need none of that. You make WoW players look bad, and it's been proven that the people on these forums are prone to indulging in stereotypes and generalizations. C3PX or whatever the Hell your name is? Stop trying to be witty. You're not helping anything, you're not solving or mending the situation, you're just being as inflammatory as the chap I just mentioned. Cut it out. Disguising your words with wit does not make you better than him. Thank you.

On to the meat of the situation. We're all "nerds", if you will. I do not know why people are calling each other Star Wars geeks or Warcraft dorks. We're all "nerdy" in a sense. Hell, most people have a passion they are deep inside nerdy about. But who cares? Most of us still have lives. Because I play World of Warcraft, does that mean I do not have a life? For all you know, I, too, have a child, a wife, and a family I love and care for. Whether I play World of Warcraft makes no difference. I could say the same thing for the Star Wars fans here (I, myself, am a Star Wars fan, too!) but it does seem that the Warcraft players are the ones under fire in that department so I will leave it at that.

And the true core of the controversy: the attacks against WoW Radio itself. Hmm. Tough subject. They are indeed the opinion of HotRod, and he has the right to express it. On the other hand, it is natural for people who have worked so hard on personal projects to be offended when someone attacks it. Especially when you attack it with such conviction...let's get down to it, HotRod, you outrighted insulted WoW Radio harshly and with prejudice. If WoW Radio had been a huge project of mine, yes, I would have taken offense too. I know you would've as well.

Alas, I think both sides lack a bit of understanding, and the situation is not helped by the twisting of words by C3PX. I don't mean to keep picking on you, man, but let's face it: you've posted nothing but inflammatory drivel and nothing to really help the situation. I'm a guy who believes in diplomacy first, and hostility as a last resort. Yes, TotalBiscuit did have some smartass remarks, but it was only after he felt you guys were being unfair to him and his program.

I'm running out of thoughts, but I'm sure your replies will give me more. I ask that all of you set aside generalizations and stereotypes and try to at least understand each other's point of view. Do I think the concept of WoW Radio is a little corny? Haha, yeah, sure. I'll say so. Do I enjoy some of its broadcasting? Hell yes, I do! Specifically TotalBiscuit's stuff. He really is great, and he despite what I've seen HotRod saying, he doesn't talk about "what weapon is best" or "omg I got to level 30", or whoever was saying that stuff. I really don't remember the exact words. But yea, I do enjoy select broadcasting. I think it's sort of novel.

World of Warcraft is played by 8 million plus people worldwide. It's crept into mainstream culture and been referenced many times in such. I feel that insulting somebody's hobby is sort of a low blow and really not necessary, but perhaps I am alone in this. I am a nice person at heart. I would never call somebody's hobby the "saddest thing ever" or any such nonsense. Try to put this into perspective. World of Warcraft is a huge game, with tons of possibilities, options, and stuff to do, and a deep and rich backstory. Its social aspect is a significant addition to the fun, and it's a blast to explore this world with friends, play the economy, and tackle enormous odds alongside comrades. It is ever evolving, changing often. What's wrong with talking about it? Why is that sad? Why does that mean they don't have lives?

Please, try to put it into perspective. I won't get anyone admit to changing their minds here, but I do hope I have opened some eyes here. Peace, all, and good night. I'll check up on this thread tomorrow and hopefully things will be much better.