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#1496555
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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idir_hh said:

Some very interesting tidbits about Darth Vader’s Original Role in Obi-Wan Kenobi

https://thedirect.com/article/obi-wan-kenobi-darth-vader-final-battle-exclusive

Wow, I always had a problem with the idea of Obi Wan and Vader meeting before ANH but what he said about that line in ROTJ is very true. It opens the door for an encounter. What’s ironic is that despite that being the only real strong argument I’ve heard for this story to even exist and a really nice way to not only resolve a plot hole but give depth to a line of dialogue in the OT, they completely forgot about it. OW never attempts to redeem Vader.

Stuart Beattie’s reasoning for this story was giving Obi Wan an opportunity to attempt to save Anakin and deepen the idea of Vader killing Anakin “from a certain point of view”.

The producers of the show only wanted a cool fucking fight. What a waste.

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#1494322
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Any Tv/Film reboots, remakes or sequels that you felt were superior to the original?
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Anakin Starkiller said:

World War II was a lot more interesting than World War I. The three way war between the fascist, the communists, and the Allies made for really compelling drama.

HAHAHAHA, how come no one laughed at your joke? I liked it, stupid but clever. Good one lol

Anyway,

The Godfather 2
The Departed (it’s a remake of the 2002 Hong Kong film Infernal Affairs. I hate it when Hollywood remakes foreign films, but this is a incredible)
The holy trinity of Batman remakes: Batman (Burton), Batman Begins (Nolan), The Batman (Reeves)
And of course The Dark Knight as a sequel
The new Planet of the Apes trilogy
Scarface
Casino Royale
Dune

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#1494321
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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exitzero said:

Not often main-stream media talks about a fan edit. IGN, ScreenRant, Variety, and others have all done an article on Kai Patterson’s Obi-Wan Fan Edit. He cut it down to a 2 & a half hour movie. He removed the goofy stuff with Leia being chased by bumbling grown men. Rearranges the Jedi scene on Tatooine so Obi-Wan meets the Jedi first, the Inquisitors kill him in the bar (he doesn’t escape), and then Obi-Wan sees him hanging in the city. he also gives Obi-Wan a good reason to let Vader live after their second duel. What I like the most is the John Williams Star Wars music added throughout.

I am also really excited to check it out - albeit not for any interest in the story, but rather just to see how he fixed some of the problems from an editing standpoint. I’ve seen amazing fan edits do wonders for the original material and the SW community always keeps them coming.

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#1494320
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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I’ve been trying to find what lies behind my differing views from many of you about TLJ, TROS, and now Kenobi.

I can honestly understand defending TLJ to a degree. I hate the Luke thing, and Snoke was a joke, but it’s the most creative and exiting of the sequels. What I find baffling is defending Kenobi and, most of all, TROS.

Even in terms of cheap fan-service that you like so much Kenobi failed to deliver on its potential. Virtually no Vader until the very end, no actual real inclusion of Qui-Gon in the story, no learning from Yoda, and absolutely zero connection or mention, let alone flashback, of The Clone Wars.

And TROS shits all over TLJ and retcons every character and plot thread in that film. How can one like TLJ and not hate TROS? Plus, there are enormous amounts of evidence of the fact that everyone who worked on that film hadn’t the slightest clue what they were doing.

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#1493440
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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I’ll finish up with this and stop debating about the sequels.

Strictly from a narrative point of view, I don’t think it was smart to have Luke repeat the old Jedi’s mistakes when his entire character arc in the originals was about him choosing not to do so and becoming a better kind of Jedi as a result. And I don’t think his interaction with Ben is justified enough given his background with Vader.

But you’re welcome to enjoy whatever you want, and that’s fine. I like the prequels and they have serious issues.

Regarding the show, my problem with it is entirely different. I think, for the most part, OW characterization is fine, I just didn’t enjoy the surrounding plot.

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#1493175
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Luke was always quick to action and even in ROTJ, took a moment to do the right thing. So I don’t see any problem with the way he told it to Rey the second time. It fits his personality.

Here’s the thing, even if Luke messed up like that, I can’t fathom that he would not immediately do everything in his power to make it right. His most important distinction as a character was that he is the ONLY ONE that didn’t give up on Anakin. Here he just gives up and goes into exile. And I don’t care if in a novel or whatever it says that he went on a journey that made him realize whatever, the movie starts with Luke already altered and no glimpse of how he got that way is ever shown. Something that important should’ve been in the movie.

And his first lesson with Kenobi was to act on instinct.

That’s precisely it, that was at the beginning of his arc. Luke evolved throughout the OT movies, and then he just forgets ???

And then when Kylo Ren destroys the new school and kills all the students […] Luke is crushed.

Vader directly or indirectly committed genocide of hundreds of thousands of Jedi. His empire killed, tortured and oppressed trillions. Kylo is not even close to how bad Vader was, come on. And Luke still believed Anakin could come back, but not Ben ??

He is a side character there to aid the success of the main characters.

Sure, but he is a legacy character who deserves some continuity to his story. Let’s look at some other characters in Legacy Sequels:

Imagine if in BR 2049 we found Deckard hating and hunting replicants again, going against how his arc ended in the original BR.

Imagine if Maverick had given up on flying in the new Top Gun: Maverick because he lost a wingman even though we had already seen him overcome a similar tragedy in the original.

Now let’s look at Creed. Similarly to Luke, Rocky doesn’t box anymore. But his character is still a fighter at heart, he fights through cancer while training and believing in Creed.

I don’t have a problem if a character changed in the span of years, but the change has to respect the character’s existing journey. And if you are going to drastically change him, then at least SHOW how the change happened. Harvey Dent, Michael Corleone, Walter White, heck, even Spider-Man in SM3 (not that great a movie but it shows the change clearly), they are all examples of stories that SHOW good characters turned bad.

Edit: I don’t think Luke is evil in TLJ. Just contradictorily pessimistic.

And just to clarify, I honestly think TLJ is the best film in the ST. But Luke is just wrong.

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#1492469
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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henzINNIT said:

Jedi aren’t pacifists. They carry deadly weapons. We can expect them to be heroic, and not the aggressors, but they maim and kill when it’s deemed necessary. I get the religious qualities Lucas wove in there, but I feel like we can overthink the rules for an action series where villains die by the hundreds and thousands.

Vladius said:

henzINNIT said:

Vladius said:

henzINNIT said:

Regarding the jedi masters’ intentions in ROTJ, I had never given it much thought to be honest. I don’t think I even realised there was a debate until recently. To me it was clear that both Obi-Wan and Yoda wanted Luke to kill Vader, for several reasons:

Obi-Wan says that they have already lost when Luke says he can’t kill his own father. He then shuts down the idea of redemption when Luke suggests there is still good in Vader. This would be some really bizarre reverse psychology if Obi-Wan actually intended for Luke to somehow stop Vader peacefully. Also, this is not totally solid as it was cut, but in the ROTJ script there is more dialogue in this scene and Obi-Wan says quite explicitly that Luke is to ‘destroy’ Vader.

Yoda’s intentions are less clear in dialogue but I still get the impression that he wanted Vader to be killed. He says it was ‘unfortunate’ for Luke to find out Vader was his father, and considers the knowledge a burden. This could really only be the case if the intention was for Luke to kill Vader. If the plan was for Luke to somehow turn his father instead, knowing about him in advance would have been more of an asset than a hindrance.

Lastly, the dramatic tension of the film hinges on Luke believing in Vader’s redemption when literally no-one else would. He manages to force a resolution without resorting to killing, defying all expectations in the process. It’s bizarre to me to think his mentors secretly wanted the same thing, and they just refused to say that or worse heavily imply the opposite.

I addressed that already. He’s saying that Luke has to be willing to kill him if it comes down to it. He doesn’t intend him to stop him peacefully but we don’t know that he intends him to stop him at all. They’re sending Luke to Vader to face his fear and become a Jedi, not to kill the enemy faction’s leader and win the war.

I don’t see how that follows with the burden. It’s unfortunate and it’s a burden because it’s really harsh to find out that your father is Darth Vader regardless of what you do. It’s painful. It never even occurred to me that he would be saying that strictly in a tactical sense of how Luke is going to fight or neutralize Vader. That’s not how he delivers it.

The dramatic tension comes from a lot of things. There’s the Battle of Endor, of course. On the other side it’s mainly about Luke believing in Vader’s redemption while Vader himself doesn’t. Obi Wan and Yoda might have a pessimistic outlook on that but they’re not telling Luke not to try. They never explicitly say that Luke needs to kill Vader and not to try anything. The important part is that Luke goes to face Vader again regardless of the outcome. That’s what is holding him back from being a Jedi, which is what Yoda says.

They’re not sending Luke to simply face his fear. Confronting Vader is obviously incredibly dangerous, and something with very limited potential results. Obi-Wan believes Vader is beyond redemption, so what do you propose he’s hoping will happen when Luke confronts him, if not to stop him? Obi-Wan doesn’t say Luke has to be willing to kill Vader, Luke says he can’t kill Vader and Obi-Wan says that means they’ve already lost.

Yoda is pretty tactical tbh. He kept Luke in the dark about his father just as Obi-Wan did. He even deflects when Luke asks him in ROTJ, only answering when Luke insists. They both choose to hold on to that secret and let Luke fly to Cloud City unaware. They were both far more concerned with Luke being fully trained than him knowing the truth. When questioned why he thought it was ‘unfortunate’, Yoda says it was because Luke had rushed to face Vader, and wasn’t trained. He never really speaks about it on an emotional level.

They never explicitly say ‘kill Vader’, but it seems the most logical conclusion to draw from what they do say. There is a lot of stretching required to conclude they didn’t want this outcome, and they could have been much, much clearer about their intentions if that was the case.

They are. It’s a continuation of the trials in Empire Strikes Back. Luke goes into the cave and he fails because he brought his weapons with him and gave into fear. Not coincidentally he’s facing a vision of Vader. Then he faces Vader for real in Cloud City (against their warnings) and fails again. He didn’t have enough training, not just combat training, but Jedi training in controlling one’s emotions generally. So he has to face the circumstances again, this time with training and preparation. The vision in the cave was definitely not about Yoda training Luke for battle, and in case there was any doubt, he tells him not to bring his weapons.

When Luke says that he is a Jedi, Yoda says that he has to confront Vader first. Why would that be? If he has all the training to the point where he’s capable of training others, why does he have to confront Vader? Is he just like a final boss in a video game? I don’t think so. It’s a barrier that Luke personally and spiritually has to get past. I think it’s facing the temptation of the dark side while also facing his personal “demons.” Obi Wan wants him to be ready to kill Vader if it comes down to it because he will need to be able to defend himself during the confrontation and Palpatine’s attempts to control him.

If it were a question of just taking out Vader (or Palpatine) to take out the enemy leader then that wouldn’t make sense either. The Death Star 2 is going to be destroyed with or without Luke. “Soon I’ll be dead, and you with me.” This isn’t a special forces wetwork mission, or else they would have instructed Luke to bring a bunch of commandos with him, or given him an idea on how to lure Vader for an ambush, etc. It’s not like they don’t know the rebellion exists. It’s obviously a personal test for Luke and they’re trusting the Force to let it all play out the way it’s supposed to.

Telling Luke not to bring weapons into a vision quest is one thing, but you don’t ‘face your fears’ by confronting armed and dangerous evil overlords with no intent to stop them. The villains intended to turn Luke or kill him. Obi-Wan makes it clear that he believes there is no saving Vader. It’s a crazy test to send someone to face a monster, most likely in a fight to the death, just to resist the temptation of evil.

The notion of a simple, flowery personal growth lesson for Luke doesn’t make sense to me. If it was truly only about resisting darkness, why didn’t Luke already pass that test in Empire? He faced Vader, was badly injured, spirit crushed, learned a shocking revelation about his family legacy and still rejected Vader’s offer, choosing to let himself fall rather than taking evil’s hand. Surely that would have been enough if this confrontation was just about Luke’s demons.

The jedi wouldn’t have instructed Luke bring regular people with him to confront these guys. Of course they’re not arranging a ‘special forces’ mission; facing Vader and his boss would mean certain death for untrained people. That doesn’t prove your point at all. Luke wasn’t directly involved in destroying the Death Star, but there’s no reason to assume the villains would have just sat there and exploded without Luke’s appearance. He ensured they died in that battle, which was far more important than destroying another space station.

This may have to do with the nuances of storytelling. I believe George would say Luke’s mission was always to face Vader and redeem him, thus defeating the Emperor, at least in principle.
But having Obi Wan or Yoda say that directly would have taken away from the scene itself in which he almost succumbs to his fear and kills Vader.

The “You’ve failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me” moment is very powerful.

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#1492467
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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yotsuya said:

ADR14NAT1ON said:

I think that sort of highlights the problem with the Jedi and their flaws. I don’t blame them, though, Vader committed mass genocide. I don’t think OW and Yoda were bad or anything, but it just goes to show how Luke was different, he was the only one who could break through to his father. A better kind of Jedi. (Kinda precisely the reason why I disliked his portrayal in TLJ)

Very interesting discussion. But why is it taking place in this thread?

In TESB and ROTJ he is young and idealistic. That does tend to make one the best. In TLJ he is old and jaded and that is a valid look at the same character. I liked how pieces of his earlier portrayal in ANH and TESB peeked through.

I understand it makes sense in the real world that people change, but narratively it has to be conveyed and developed better. Luke had a very strong character arc in which he grew as a person and as a Jedi. In the world of story, seeing his defining character trait and moment (him sparing Vader in hopes of redeeming him) cast aside and forgotten this easily is wrong. Specially considering that he’s this way since before the start of the movie. We don’t see a transition into this version of Luke that we can get behind, the flashbacks just show him already being different (deeming Ben gone and ATTEMPTING MURDER). Therefore, it feels like a betrayal to his character. IMO.

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#1492276
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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Vladius said:

henzINNIT said:

Vladius said:

henzINNIT said:

Regarding the jedi masters’ intentions in ROTJ, I had never given it much thought to be honest. I don’t think I even realised there was a debate until recently. To me it was clear that both Obi-Wan and Yoda wanted Luke to kill Vader, for several reasons:

Obi-Wan says that they have already lost when Luke says he can’t kill his own father. He then shuts down the idea of redemption when Luke suggests there is still good in Vader. This would be some really bizarre reverse psychology if Obi-Wan actually intended for Luke to somehow stop Vader peacefully. Also, this is not totally solid as it was cut, but in the ROTJ script there is more dialogue in this scene and Obi-Wan says quite explicitly that Luke is to ‘destroy’ Vader.

Yoda’s intentions are less clear in dialogue but I still get the impression that he wanted Vader to be killed. He says it was ‘unfortunate’ for Luke to find out Vader was his father, and considers the knowledge a burden. This could really only be the case if the intention was for Luke to kill Vader. If the plan was for Luke to somehow turn his father instead, knowing about him in advance would have been more of an asset than a hindrance.

Lastly, the dramatic tension of the film hinges on Luke believing in Vader’s redemption when literally no-one else would. He manages to force a resolution without resorting to killing, defying all expectations in the process. It’s bizarre to me to think his mentors secretly wanted the same thing, and they just refused to say that or worse heavily imply the opposite.

I addressed that already. He’s saying that Luke has to be willing to kill him if it comes down to it. He doesn’t intend him to stop him peacefully but we don’t know that he intends him to stop him at all. They’re sending Luke to Vader to face his fear and become a Jedi, not to kill the enemy faction’s leader and win the war.

I don’t see how that follows with the burden. It’s unfortunate and it’s a burden because it’s really harsh to find out that your father is Darth Vader regardless of what you do. It’s painful. It never even occurred to me that he would be saying that strictly in a tactical sense of how Luke is going to fight or neutralize Vader. That’s not how he delivers it.

The dramatic tension comes from a lot of things. There’s the Battle of Endor, of course. On the other side it’s mainly about Luke believing in Vader’s redemption while Vader himself doesn’t. Obi Wan and Yoda might have a pessimistic outlook on that but they’re not telling Luke not to try. They never explicitly say that Luke needs to kill Vader and not to try anything. The important part is that Luke goes to face Vader again regardless of the outcome. That’s what is holding him back from being a Jedi, which is what Yoda says.

They’re not sending Luke to simply face his fear. Confronting Vader is obviously incredibly dangerous, and something with very limited potential results. Obi-Wan believes Vader is beyond redemption, so what do you propose he’s hoping will happen when Luke confronts him, if not to stop him? Obi-Wan doesn’t say Luke has to be willing to kill Vader, Luke says he can’t kill Vader and Obi-Wan says that means they’ve already lost.

Yoda is pretty tactical tbh. He kept Luke in the dark about his father just as Obi-Wan did. He even deflects when Luke asks him in ROTJ, only answering when Luke insists. They both choose to hold on to that secret and let Luke fly to Cloud City unaware. They were both far more concerned with Luke being fully trained than him knowing the truth. When questioned why he thought it was ‘unfortunate’, Yoda says it was because Luke had rushed to face Vader, and wasn’t trained. He never really speaks about it on an emotional level.

They never explicitly say ‘kill Vader’, but it seems the most logical conclusion to draw from what they do say. There is a lot of stretching required to conclude they didn’t want this outcome, and they could have been much, much clearer about their intentions if that was the case.

They are. It’s a continuation of the trials in Empire Strikes Back. Luke goes into the cave and he fails because he brought his weapons with him and gave into fear. Not coincidentally he’s facing a vision of Vader. Then he faces Vader for real in Cloud City (against their warnings) and fails again. He didn’t have enough training, not just combat training, but Jedi training in controlling one’s emotions generally. So he has to face the circumstances again, this time with training and preparation. The vision in the cave was definitely not about Yoda training Luke for battle, and in case there was any doubt, he tells him not to bring his weapons.

When Luke says that he is a Jedi, Yoda says that he has to confront Vader first. Why would that be? If he has all the training to the point where he’s capable of training others, why does he have to confront Vader? Is he just like a final boss in a video game? I don’t think so. It’s a barrier that Luke personally and spiritually has to get past. I think it’s facing the temptation of the dark side while also facing his personal “demons.” Obi Wan wants him to be ready to kill Vader if it comes down to it because he will need to be able to defend himself during the confrontation and Palpatine’s attempts to control him.

If it were a question of just taking out Vader (or Palpatine) to take out the enemy leader then that wouldn’t make sense either. The Death Star 2 is going to be destroyed with or without Luke. “Soon I’ll be dead, and you with me.” This isn’t a special forces wetwork mission, or else they would have instructed Luke to bring a bunch of commandos with him, or given him an idea on how to lure Vader for an ambush, etc. It’s not like they don’t know the rebellion exists. It’s obviously a personal test for Luke and they’re trusting the Force to let it all play out the way it’s supposed to.

Would it be fair to say, then, that Yoda’s and Obi Wan’s views on guiding Luke are different but complementary? I think it makes sense, they disagree a lot in the movies. First about Luke being trained in the first place, then about him being their only hope. “No, there is another.”

Luke proved to Yoda that he was worthy of training and his view of sending him to fight Vader is more in line with it being a fear-facing mission, based on what’s shown in Empire, like you are saying. But I feel Obi Wan really wanted him to be ready to kill Vader because he felt he was beyond redemption. Maybe even Obi Wan realized this and that is why he was so ready to die in ANH, he knew Luke was better off with Yoda training him. I wish the show had explored this more in depth.

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#1492100
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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I think that sort of highlights the problem with the Jedi and their flaws. I don’t blame them, though, Vader committed mass genocide. I don’t think OW and Yoda were bad or anything, but it just goes to show how Luke was different, he was the only one who could break through to his father. A better kind of Jedi. (Kinda precisely the reason why I disliked his portrayal in TLJ)

Very interesting discussion. But why is it taking place in this thread?

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#1491955
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The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show (Spoilers)
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I think where this show really faltered is in its focus. It focuses on making an arbitrary rematch happen instead of focusing on a story. As a result, what could have easily been an opportunity to tie the PT and the OT together nicely, and maybe “fix” some of the inconsistencies, turned into more problems that now make certain lines of dialogue and character interactions in ANH weird.

There’s something similar in ROTS when Obi fights Grievous. His line “You fool. I have been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku.” doesn’t really make a lot of sense since they have fought countless times in the CW at that point. But in that case, I think the CW added so much to the lore and characters of the PT that such a thing is very excusable.

This show, on the other hand, is JUST the fight. That’s it. Almost everything else is either a ripoff of Rebels and Jedi: Fallen Order, or plain out pointless, like the Path thing since they must all be dead by the time of ROTJ. But most importantly, Obi Wan’s arc is really weak. I imagined him communicating with Qui Gon was going to be the defining moment at the end of his arc but it’s just played as a cameo at the end instead, with no real impact to the plot.

They didn’t write a story, they sold a fight.

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#1398272
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The Clone Wars: Refocused (v1.5) [100%] - All core episodes COMPLETE! + Thoughts on the new TALES OF THE JEDI
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That’s true. Your approach is actually more in par with what was done in Solo than the main film series. It still has that vocabulary I mentioned, though.
One thing I just realized is that with Maul making an appearance at the end, your similar crawl could be another cool visual tie to the series. However, I don’t expect you to look to that film for inspiration. IMO it’s very forgettable.

As for the length of the text, I think that around the same amount of text that a traditional narration has would be alright. I think yours for ep1 is great.

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#1398207
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The Clone Wars: Refocused (v1.5) [100%] - All core episodes COMPLETE! + Thoughts on the new TALES OF THE JEDI
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One suggestion about the crawl. Be mindful about your word choice. SW crawls (both text and CW narration) always use very formal English with “big words”. This may not be very important to some, but I as a non-native speaker kinda was forced to learn to pick up on those things to become fluent. All of them are that way.

It’s only one word that bugged me: “So”. It’s very informal.
I’d suggest:

Anakin Skywalker has achieved the rank of JEDI KNIGHT. In light of this, his master Obi-Wan Kenobi has put in a request for a new padawan.

The rest is really good. Adverbs and Adjetives like you used in “vicious Sith assassin” are also very present in crawls. That works really well.

It’s a very small change but I think it fits SW vocabulary better.

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#1397920
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The Clone Wars: Refocused (v1.5) [100%] - All core episodes COMPLETE! + Thoughts on the new TALES OF THE JEDI
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Checking back on the project. I read through all the new developments. I gotta say you really are tackling this show with passion AND smarts. Here are my thoughts on some things:

The intro:
I like the text and how it flows with the logo. Regarding the music, I think you could explore something more neutral. Not every arc will be tragic or military and bombastic, or include Ahsoka. So making the intro sad, or epic, or include Ahsoka’s theme could make it not fit with the actual story of the episode. For this reason, your versions didn’t quite work for me, though they were pretty good. McFibb’s suggestion I think almost nails the tone, but I feel it’s too epic like others have pointed out. The part that plays on top of the intro text is great but then it rises too much. And maybe it’s too early for the order 66 theme.
I don’t want to only criticize so I’ll propose something. The beginning of “The Clones” from Kevin Kiner’s score I’ve always felt feels very iconic to the show. It has a military feel to it but isn’t overly epic. It could work well as a base for its simplicity. It could be like Mando’s “Ta duum”. With some mixing, one could make it more or less epic, melancholic, or whatever. I don’t have those skills though, sadly.

The outro:
I love it. Just one very little nick pick that may not even be important. The word “fan edit” could throw off the experience of newcomers getting into the show. We want them completely invested in the stories not asking “What’s edited?”. I’m not saying not to credit yourself, of course, but maybe later. And I’ve always liked seeing George Lucas’s name first right at the end of every episode. However, this is YOUR fan edit so that is up to you of course.

The episodes:
The New Padawan as the title fits really well and I don’t have anything else to add, your plan sounds good. I’ll want to check it out whenever you drop it. About The Death Watch, I like it for the same reasons as you. But they’re not the focus. The Mandalore Plot could be a good alternative. I don’t have any feedback on Cloak/Lair, I don’t remember them well.

That’s all the feedback I have now. Thank you Eddie.

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#1392401
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A '<strong>Rumour and News</strong>' thread for reported new Star Wars films and tv series
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Apparently, Rangers of the New Republic and Ahsoka will crossover with Mando leading to a big event as of now undisclosed. It looks like they’re taking pages from Marvel’s book and making some sort of cinematic universe. A positive thing or not, one thing is for sure, there’s something for almost everybody.

Prequel fans are getting Obi-Wan Kenobi with Ewan and Hayden returning (I guess we’ll see if he acts better with well-written dialogue haha). I’m excited about his return. Clone Wars and Rebels fans get the live-action continuation of those stories through Mando and Ahsoka. Plus, The Bad Batch, which looks better than I expected.

Rogue One fans, and many OT fans, get Andor. If what has been reported is true and it tells a more obscure tale of the Rebellion, something that was touched a bit in Rogue, I’m sold. Plus I’m Mexican, so having Diego Luna back is great!

I’m really looking forward to hearing more about Rogue Squadron. If it’s set in the OT I guess Luke could appear since he founded the squadron in honor of Rogue One. We’ll see.

And there’s even going to be some completely new content for those tired of the same thing all the time. Which I suppose is always a good thing.

I guess there isn’t much for Sequel lovers, but it appears Mando could have some things setting up the rise of the First Order. I personally didn’t like how things ended up with the ST, but I don’t think they will just ignore it. Then again, doing so may necessitate explaining away all the major plot holes. Though, CW did just that for the PT.

Anyway, more SW is a good thing in my book. I’m curious, what are you guys most excited about?

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#1392192
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The Clone Wars: Refocused (v1.5) [100%] - All core episodes COMPLETE! + Thoughts on the new TALES OF THE JEDI
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I’ve always thought of force visions as the force just showing something to a force user, not necessarily a power. Kinda like a radio signal that someone randomly happens to tap into. However, with more training, I’d assume a Jedi could better interpret a vision. And I may be wrong, but I think she has visions in Rebels.
Then again, that particular vision is not that important so it can go. It could very well go with the Death Watch plot, but that raises the question: Why would the Death Watch be at all interested in Senator Amidala?

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#1391483
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The Clone Wars: Refocused (v1.5) [100%] - All core episodes COMPLETE! + Thoughts on the new TALES OF THE JEDI
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I love it when I get into Original Trilogy after a few months of non-stop schoolwork and find some new incredible project by a passionate SW fan. This time it was this one. I’ve watched CW in its entirety twice and without the filler at least three times. I’m a HUGE fan of the show and also The Mandalorian. Your plan is exceptionally well thought out. I’m beyond excited to see what you produce, I’m sure it will be brilliant. Cheers!

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The Clone Wars: Refocused (v1.5) [100%] - All core episodes COMPLETE! + Thoughts on the new TALES OF THE JEDI
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I can’t really provide proper feedback on those points since I don’t remember many aspects of those scenes. I guess when you begin experimenting with some of those I can start to form opinions on what I believe works and what doesn’t.

I can say this: The idea that really caught my interest is possibly merging the stealth ship from Cat & Mouse with the Malevolence arc. I remember really linking Anakin and his personality when he uses that ship. It really highlights his strategic prowess, but I get the episode isn’t that solid. It could find a better place in Malevolence perhaps. Idk.

Looking forward to those intros and outros. I think I read that you won’t be using the original CW theme for the intro? It’s become iconic to me, but I’m open to seeing what you propose. I guess it’s bound to change anyway since you’re not using the vo narration bits. I’m curious about when you plan to include the blue text that replaces the narration, before the CW logo, kinda like Solo, or after, in place of the fortune cookie quotes. I would go for after, since that approach allows for the music to play a little longer in the background. Plus I feel like that is the structure we’ve become accustomed to.

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The ‘Custom Special Edition’ That Almost Wasn’t, But Then Was (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

V3 of ANH is now available in the usual places. See OP for description. The gist is that it’s remastered using the 19SE source.

Hi, sorry to ask. Where are the usual places? I looked through the first few pages of this thread but only found a mention of a Drive, but not a link. I have not read the entire thread but thought I’d better ask.