1990osu

Scream, Scream 2, Scream 3, Scream 4.

1st one was entertaining but the sequels just got worse and worse.

awesome ROTJ trailer

I still think you can make a case that ROTJ is the best out of the entire trilogy.  Sure, there are things about it that are weaker than the previous 2.  A 2nd Death Star seems redundant, the ewoks seem a little too cute, and Han doesn't have much to do. But that is just because ROTJ is the most daring, takes the most chances.  It has the weakest moments, but like somebody else said it has the strongest moments, stronger than any of the previous 2 movies. The part where Luke snaps, for instance. But maybe the biggest thing is how it is done, the execution is much, much better than the prequels.  The film stock, lenses, lighting.  John Williams in his prime culminating the trilogy with a  really really good score.  Emperor's theme.

I still remember seeing the opening battle of ROTS in the movie theater and thinking it was a cartoon.  A good cartoon like Pixar, but it was a cartoon.

Easterhay said:

Jar Jar Binks was the first completely CGI main character in a movie (who cares if he was loved or loathed, the technical achievement of that character is something to celebrate

Jar-Jar was not something to celebrate.  The bottom line is that it may have been an interesting hardware experiment, but the prequels looked fake and the OT looks staggeringly real.  There might just be a connection between that and the fact that all the ships and creatures and models were hand-crafted, the backgrounds hand-painted.  They had so many craftsmen under one roof. 

This has happened in many industries not just movies though.

x3rxes said:

 I'd be elated to find out that they'll be relying almost entirely on practical special effects, muppets, etc.

 This is the news I would be waiting for.  But it would be starting from scratch like the hippie fxguys in 76 who wasted months of time just getting workable motion computers and puppets and etc.  ILM destroyed its practical effects department. 

The massive optical printer that could do a dozen strips of film compositing all at once- all gone.  Last shot was done in 1992, guy who knew the machine best is dead, machine is gone.  All replaced by computers. 

They would have to rebuild the practical effects department from scratch and that would represent a very brave and radical departure from the current movie industry- could result in ridicule among peers.  Seeing as how these new SW movies are set to come out every 2 years instead of 3 I see them using cg like the prequels which is too bad but maybe itll be good cg like jurassic park.

The making of Empire Strikes Back with John Williams BBC doc from 1980.

Tyrphanax said:

A lot of his lines on the Falcon on the way to the Death Star are just all run together with zero inflection and it makes it hard to follow. Makes me cringe every time.

Harrison Ford is a midwesterner.  They all talk that way.  It's a big part of the culture not to sound too excited about anything.

VII: Return of the Jedi 2

VIII: Return of the Jedi 3

IX: Return of the Jedi 4

My titles getting stupider and stupider...

Davnes007 said:

Ep. 7 - A New Hope II
Ep. 8 - The Empire Strikes Back II
Ep. 9 - Return of The Jedi II

I hope Disney doesn't try this.that seems exactly like something a big company who doesn't understand what makes Star Wars good would do.

I think Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back are obviously masterpieces both. 

What I don't understand is the critical snobbery and adults thumbing their nose at ROTJ. 

ROTJ was and still is incredibly popular with everyone who has not heard from the internet that they are supposed to like ESB better.  Growing up, my brother always wanted to watch ROTJ and it's still his favorite.  It had extremely memorable characters in Jabba the Hutt (as lifelike as Yoda) and Emperor Palpatine, who basically represented the devil in the throne room scene. 

And it had memorable, realistic action set pieces.  Who can forget the speeder bike chase or the moment when Luke turns on his green saber for the first time on the Sail Barge?  Who has ever topped the incredibly realistic, 3-D space battle at the end since 1983?  Nobody.

And ROTJ deals with extremely powerful themes in temptation, redemption and forgiveness in the long throne room sequence- there is a strong moral undercurrent there that is far more striking and far more well-defined than in the 2 previous movies. 

ROTJ is arguably the best of the OT.

XIII: The Holiday Special Part 2 (Jar-Jar celebrates Life Day with Ewoks.  Starring Hayden Christiensen and Jake Lloyd)

VII: Jar-Jar: The True Mastermind

VII: Jar-Jar Uncloaked

IX: Plan 9 from Planet Jar-Jar

X: Jar-Jar Reloaded

XI: Jar-Jar In Love

XII: Son of Jar-Jar

I also think the original Star Wars Trilogy instilled such a strong sense of these concepts for kids: 

-Good and evil

-Evil being easier but not more powerful.

-Temptation (the emperor is basically the devil)

-Forgiveness (I've got to save you!  says Luke)

-Redemption ("You already have, Luke...You were right....you were right about me."  Darth Vader so evil, but still was able to be saved by Luke's love)

This is the soul represented in Star Wars and the reason why that trilogy is so strongly a part of us....it takes the good/evil concept and puts it in such a striking way that is so easily understood. 

It is also why I think Gen-X and the first part of Gen Y (me) are generally more warmhearted than the Boomers and their children :)  ;)

^^ This is also a great reason why contrary to critical opinion, ROTJ is just as genius as the other 2 Star Wars because it brings all of these themes full circle in such a powerful ending in the throne room.

I saw the OT at age 5 (original cuts), then Phantom Menace when I was 9. 

When I was 11 I rediscovered the genius of the OT in a more mature way (specifically ESB which I was completely floored by in terms of how good it was-my brother always wanted to watch ROTJ growing up so I hardly remembered ESB). 

Then I saw Ep. 2 in 2002 and Ep. 3 in 2005. 

I think it is good to show the prequels to kids, but they need a period of time (for me 4 years was enough) where it's just the OT and they can get that universe/framework firmly established. 

Because to this day, I enjoy watching Phantom Menace and AOTC.  Phantom Menace because it seemed so sweet and innocent and there is such nostalgia remembering all the toys and seeing the Darth Maul saber battle in the theater. AOTC because of nostalgia again, but also because I was 12 and I thought Natalie Portman looked a LOT better in that one than she did in Ep. 1. 

But by the time Ep. 3 rolled around I was 15 so I don't have any childhood nostalgia attached to it- I see more flaws than anything. 

So I think if your kids are to love the entire Star Wars saga they should be introduced to the original version OT as early as possible, then show them the prequels at age 9 or 10.  When they grow up they will remember the prequels for nostalgic reasons, but they will almost certainly rediscover the greatness of the OT as well.

7: A Newer Hope

8: The Newest Hope

9: The Not Quite As New Of A Hope But Still A Hopeful Hope

If they are trying to displease OT fans, the direction seems clear:

Episode 7: Gungan Family Reunion

Episode 8: Christmas with Uncle Jar-Jar

Episode 9: Boss Nass Celebrates Life Day

Could be good lo-budget flicks;)

7: Rise of the Dark Side (Palpatine cloned himself and he isn't actually dead.  Battles Luke who is now a Yoda-level master)

8: Dawn of the Mask (Luke, ruminating about his father, finally loses it after spiraling into depression- he dons the Darth Vader suit)

9: Journal of the Whills (Leia joins the dark side and dons some kind of breathing mask like the one at the beginning of ROTJ- likes to choke people like Darth Vader)

10-12: Luke's children come back and destroy the Empire once and for all. 

Looks great:)

Bingowings said:

I'm merely pointing out that having a maternal trilogy (in the same sense that the OT is a paternal trilogy) is a possibility and one that need not be rubbish.

I find the resolution of ROTJ actually rather sexist as it stands.

I actually think this is a really, really bad idea...I see where you're coming from with the political correctness and everything, but people don't want to see a maternal Star Wars Trilogy- they want action and romance and adventure like the Errol Flynn movies or the Buck Rogers serials with the damsel in distress, saved in the nick of time.  To me that is what Star Wars is about- a throwback to a "more civilized age."

It's hard to get the same perspective now because Star Wars is just another "old movie" but even when it came out in the 70s, it was deeply nostalgic in its story and its execution.

See, now you ruined it for me.  I didn't see the "SPOILERS".  thanks.  just thanks.

I was just gonna go down to the library to check it out, too. 

I always wanted to see the Han Solo trilogy on film.  That was a sad story.

RIJIR said:

1990osu said:

This is the black and white version with Han making out with the girl in the cantina, right?

 Yes.

I would really, really like to see the whole thing.  Rumor says that it's over 3 hours.

Sounds good:)

I have clearly brought a knife to a gunfight.  LOL 

I concede the argument although I am not convince I am wrong in my basic argument; don't want to embarass myself with a historian!

On top of that, when 2020 comes, Fox still owns 1977's "Star Wars" (it was a studio production).  They could hold onto it forever.