I’d be interesting in checking this out. Sounds like you and I have pretty similar opinions about the theatrical version. And I like your concept to give some uniformity to these spinoffs by matching Solo’s opening text.
That’s an interesting idea. Like I said last time, though, I think you have to define your goals a little more clearly here if this is an actual project you want to kick off. Where would you want potential viewers to stop watching the official series and start watching this fan-made final season? Again, for me, I would keep seasons 1-8 as they are and then build a final season on the bones of season 9.
But another good place to start is, what’s your series finale? Who Shot Mr. Burns is a pretty solid candidate for that, actually. Considering it’s a two parter. But would you be worried about killing off a character or doing something drastic considering The Simpsons Movie? I think it’s pretty good (better than the show had been for a few years prior to its release) and I wouldn’t want to mess with that.
I like this idea. I guess the first question is when do you think The Simpsons stopped being good? For me the last great season is 8. But there are some gems in season 9, more than any subsequent season (do to it including some holdover episodes from season 8). Off the top of my head I like the NYC one, ‘Realty Bites’ and ‘Cartridge Family’.
I think it’s important to have a Treehouse episode (you could mix and match the segments from different years). There should also be a Sideshow Bob episode. Not sure which I would pick. And it’s a good idea to get as much Phil Hartman as possible (his last appearance is in season 10).
As for closure, that’s a good point. I think the one where Maude Flanders dies would probably be a good inclusion (even if it’s a little depressing). Also ‘Behind the Laughter’ feels like a final season kind of episode. Not sure how far into the series you want to go, in terms of matching SD/HD episodes, but I vaguely remember there being some decent stuff in season 20 that could give a good sense of finality.
Last thing I’ll say is I would be cognizant of the different show runners. I find it’s pretty easy to feel a difference between them (I’m a big Oakley/Weinstein fan, myself. They did seasons 7 and 8). Seasons 9-12 were run by Mike Scully and everything 13 and on was Al Jean (with occasional Matt Selman input). Would the goal here be to pick one of those eras and stick with it, or try to get the best of everybody’s? That could be done too. Season 9 has three holdovers from the Oakley/Weinstein seasons AND two run by David Mirkin (who ran seasons 5 & 6).
Great job on this! Congrats.
Nien Numb has a subtitled line as the Resistance is being briefed for their attack on Exegol. “There aren’t enough of us.” That’s just off the top of my head, there might be more than that.
I know that Mark Hamill provided a voice for that announcement in Empire. But that voice is not consistent between releases. For some reason I have it in my head that it’s always Mark Hamill just pitched down to the point of being unrecognizable in some versions, though I don’t remember where I got that idea and I have a hard time believing it. I’m hoping someone on here knows exactly what’s up with that line. Is it always Hamill or was it/is it someone else? Is it a mono vs. stereo thing? Or was it something changed in a subsequent release?
I’d really appreciate a link to this too, please!
I’ve been thinking for weeks that a great final scene would be a redeemed Ben Solo exiling himself on Ach-to. His Tie Fighter burns in the background as he stares out over the sea, then he turns back to see Luke’s ghost, who raises the X-Wing from the water as a token of forgiveness. Iris out on Luke and Ben finally making amends (which was a weird omission for me in the official version). You’d have to cut these beats from the earlier scene with Rey on the island (but I would do that anyway to remove the Palpatine reveal) and Adam Driver would be rotoscoped from the beginning of the Han memory scene.
I just posted a review of Rise of the Resistance on my YouTube channel:
Oh cool. Thanks.
Very interesting and comprehensive. Thanks for that. I knew it was more complicated than just a “lost cut” and the final version, and its hard to know exactly what appeared in which iteration without seeing them for ourselves. What can you tell me about the original exterior shot of Ben’s hut? Is that available somewhere?
Well, I finally got around to putting this together. Let me know what you think!
I had a chance to ride Rise of the Resistance at Disneyland in CA yesterday. It doesn’t open here until the 17th, but I’m an employee of the company and sometimes they give us perks like that to make it worthwhile 😉
As far as I can tell it’s virtually identical to the Florida version (of which there are many ride-throughs on YouTube, including the one linked above) but damn if it isn’t one of the greatest rides ever built. I’m a notorious grump about new Star Wars and new theme parks (thought Smuggler’s Run was underwhelming and hated Ep IX), but this thing is something else. Do yourself a favor and get to Anaheim or Orlando to check it out.
And, for the record, I’m not even getting paid to say this!
Had a lot of fun playing these back in the day. Re: voice acting, I heard somewhere that they were experimenting with the idea of making that optional. I prefer the silent comedy/mumbling style a lot better too.
That’s a good suggestion about the deleted scenes. I might try that out. I had the same thought about wanting 3 stories instead of 2 but all I could come up with was the Bea Arthur song from the HS.
If I ever get around to doing a more polished and elaborate version of this, I think the deleted scenes idea is a really good one.
Happy Life Day! ‘Christmas in the Stars’ is a project that I’ve been wanting to do for a long time and I finally have a version that I feel comfortable sharing.
Essentially, it’s the Holiday Special cut down about as much as possible. All told, I got it down to approximately 25 minutes. That includes the full cartoon segment and a super-condensed version of the live action story which features very few scenes without the main Star Wars cast.
But it’s a little different than just an aggressive edit of the Holiday Special because bookending the two stories (cartoon and live action), are some short wraparound segments with C-3PO and R2-D2. These were made from footage from the 1977 Making Of Doc and dialogue pulled from a variety of sources (mostly that special and the radio drama). I also used some original Star Tours footage toward the end.
Some day, I’d like to do a much more elaborate version of this which would involve replacing all the footage that’s repurposed from the film and putting together an entirely new soundtrack. But, this is a pretty good first version, I think. I hope you enjoy it.
Full Edit: https://youtu.be/AbC5MbFeU88
HelloGreedo is awesome. And I hate to be “that guy”, but I did put out a video on my YT channel that’s more comprehensive on the Disney+ changes.
Check it out if you have a sec: https://youtu.be/ESuLxJJFZtE
Hi. I’ve done a few Star Wars comparison videos on YouTube that a few people on here have enjoyed. Here is the most recent: https://youtu.be/FDftt6hqzg0. I’m really still trying to get a grasp on putting together these videos (and doing VO, which I can’t stand), but I want to turn my attention next to the (in)famous Lost Cut of Star Wars.
I know there have been some valiant attempts at recreating The Lost Cut over the years but I’m more interested in creating a demonstration of what was different about it than recreating the entire thing. This might also be a good place to compile everything we know about it into one place.
To kick things off, here are the notes I have so far. Please feel free to add or correct any information as necessary.
The Lost Cut Overall:
-Put together by John Jympson with little help from Lucas.
-Black and White 35mm.
-Maybe silent? There is debate on this but, if it were true, I would choose to ignore that.
-Onset audio, including David Prowse’s voice as Vader and Anthony Daniels’ pre-ADR performance.
-30-40% different footage (alternate/longer takes and deleted scenes).
-More of a documentary feel.
-Used more primitive effects shots where applicable (i.e. rear-projected landspeeder).
-A much longer opening crawl.
-Distinct from the infamous cut shown to Spielberg, De Palma, Coppola and others, I think? I get the impression that that was closer to the final version that we all know but with some less dynamic editing, the Tosche Station scenes still in tact, slates and/or WWII footage in place of special effects shots and temp audio featuring Holst’s The Planets. I could be wrong about that.
Specific Editing Changes (not deleted or alternate takes):
-The Tusken Raider that knocks Luke down did not rock his staff up and down.
-C-3PO’s “I think I’m melting” beat takes place aboard the Tantive IV.
-Some shots of R2 in the Death Star set were repurposed for the above scene, and during his game with Chewbacca.
-The conversation in Ben’s hut was reordered.
-Shot of Falcon leaving the trench run was originally for their escape from the DS (probably not relevant here -as it is a special effect shot).
-The Death Star was originally not preparing to destroy the Rebel base during the climax.
-Much of the dialogue during the Battle of Yavin was likely written and dubbed in at a late stage.
Sources of deleted/alternate material:
-Blu-Ray Bonus Disc.
-Rinzler ‘Making of’ e-book.
-Empire of Dreams has a few dailies and alternate takes (some overlap with the Rinzler stuff).
-Fanmade recreation of Declan Mulholland’s Jabba scene in less-than-ideal quality.
-An extended bit of dialogue in the Death Star conference room shown at Star Wars Celebration 2017. Only available on YouTube? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk&list=PLCbkx7pMKGDj54sompJCYeA11t87_ekC9&index=4&t=0s)
-Ponda Baba’s decapitated head shown at Star Wars Celebration 2019 that I recorded on my iPhone!
My goal here is to put together the most comprehensive look at The Lost Cut possible using footage available to the public, so I’m asking for your help to make sure I’m not missing anything! Like I said, this won’t be a full recreation that you could watch as a film, but merely a collection of moments that are different along with explanations. But, hey, anyone is free to use the work done here for their own projects.
Thanks in advance. You guys rock.
21st January Edit…
“Star Wars: The Lost Cut” Explained:-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRmCUjvZti0 - a 34 minute video at 13las’ ‘Film Spaced’ youtube channel
Unfortunately I don’t have any secret sources or anything exciting like that. But hopefully I can dig up something you haven’t seen before!
I’m curious, what’s part four going to be about?
A certain trilogy of films that people tend to forget about 😉
‘STAR WARS CHANGES (Part 1 of 4) — A New Hope’:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn2eD-RI-dc - from the ‘Original Thrillogy’ youtube channel
I haven’t had a chance to watch all of it yet - though looks promising going on the first 4-5 minutes…
(Is it by one of us from here?)
This really needs more views.
…I hope it doesn’t get taken down though.
Hey, thanks! That’s my vid and I appreciate the positive response in this thread. I couldn’t have done it without this site.
There’s a couple of copyright claims against it for the music (I’m assuming from the music in some scenes I let play out in their entirety). Apparently it’s just preventing me from monetizing the video? I’m new to YouTube, but that’s my understanding so far so I think it’s safe for now.
The ESB video is up now, btw. (And Jedi in the works)
Wow, I can’t believe how much I agree with your original post and editing philosophy. It’s almost like I wrote it. The appearance of Tarkin and Leia left such a bad taste in my mouth that Rogue One is the only Star Wars film I haven’t cared to rewatch. And I found the Darth Vader hallway scene similarly distasteful. But I know there’s a lot to love in the film besides all of that.
I wish I had more to offer in terms of suggestions, but all I can say is that I’m interested and excited to follow the progress of this edit.
This is going to be a lengthy one. I don’t think I’ve seen this exact list on here before, and I don’t for a minute pretend to be unbiased. My _/10 ratings reflect only Star Wars films, so the top and bottom films reflect the absolute ends of the spectrum. In other words, these ratings would be different if I were rating them in the landscape of cinema in general.
From favorite to least:
These first two are almost equal, though Star Wars is DEFINITELY first:
Star Wars: Not only my favorite Star Wars movie, but my absolute favorite movie in general. I could watch it every day and it would never lose its magic. Some of my very earliest memories are of being transfixed by the opening battle on the Tantive IV and the droids’ adventure on Tatooine. This defined what Star Wars means to me - and I mean just the first 15 minutes or so. I like the weirder, goofier, more experimental parts of the saga than most people do, I think. It’s true escapism for me. And that’s not to devalue the rest of the film. It’s all perfect. It’s the movie to which I compare all other movies. But what else can I say that hasn’t already been said. 10/10
The Empire Strikes Back: Again, not much to say that hasn’t been said. It’s phenomenal. Star Wars ‘77 is just a little better. 9.5/10
Return of the Jedi: Not quite as satisfying as the previous two for me, but I have a hard time separating the OT too much. It’s all one thing in my mind, so it couldn’t go anywhere but third. I actually like the goofiness of it (creatures, stuff with Jabba, even most of the Ewok stuff) and of course the space battle and Emperor stuff is great. The stuff that knocks it slightly below the previous two are the elements George put in to wrap the saga up quickly (Leia being the other Skywalker, the cheesy happy ending) and the whole second Death Star thing. 8/10
The Last Jedi: While nothing will ever fully live up to the OT, this came damn closer than I ever would have expected. I’ve seen it FOUR times already. I went in with practically no expectations having avoided all trailers. I understand how it could have been a shock (and an unpleasant one) to a certain type of fan, but I approach Star Wars without much feeling of ownership. I like being shown someone else’s vision of the galaxy far, far away. That’s why I tend to enjoy the prequels more than most, I think. And, for me, the stakes aren’t that high. The OT is never going anywhere (the OOT as well, thanks to the talented members of this forum) and I’m willing to let this franchise take chances even if not all of them pay off. I’d much rather see a distinct creative vision that fails than a movie-by-committee that is passable. That being said, I don’t think Johnson failed. At all. It all clicked for me like I never thought Star Wars would. I could go on about what I loved about TLJ (and the things I didn’t), but I’m sure people are tired of that by now. Real quick, though, shout out to John Williams’ score. I don’t hear people talking about it, but I think it is fantastic. 8/10
The Force Awakens: First time I saw it, I wasn’t crazy about it. The excitement building up to the release was something that no movie could have lived up to. I waited in line at the theater for ten hours. I didn’t hate it, but it felt a little cold to me. Like someone was trying too hard to reverse engineer what Star Wars feels like without adding the heart. The problem is, it’s so damn entertaining that I can’t possibly put it any lower on this list haha. 7/10
The Phantom Menace: One of the first films I can remember seeing in theaters upon its original release. Of course I loved it then. I went through a phase of trashing it as I grew up, but now I’ve reevaluated. I honestly don’t think it’s that bad. It feels like Star Wars and if the gungans and the nemoidians weren’t so irritating, this one would jump up above TFA for me. I really like the story it tells. Again, I’m all for that strong creative voice, I just don’t think George stuck the landing in a few places. 6.5/10
Revenge of the Sith: This one is weird for me. I loved it the first time I saw it. It was the first midnight screening I had ever been to and I got to show up to school the next day to rub it in my friends’ faces. For a lot of years I would have put this one much higher. But every time I watch it, I like it less. I can’t exactly put my finger on it. 5.5/10
Attack of the Clones: Eh. I still watch it every now and then. I don’t hate it, but it’s definitely the weakest of the saga films. 5/10
Rogue One: I get it. I know why people like it. But I hate it. It’s the only SW film I never have any desire to see again. It felt so sterile, like it was made in a lab. It tells an inconsequential story, throws in jarring callbacks that have no story purpose (I don’t find TFA as guilty of this because nostalgia is a theme in that film) and the digital Tarkin and Leia characters make me sick to my stomach. I hate that technology. It devalues an actor’s work and seems to imply that their superficial appearance is their only worthy contribution. Even the Darth Vader scenes felt this way. I didn’t need to see him take out a hallway of rebels. It was gratuitous and left a bad taste in my mouth. The rest of the film was so bland and disjointed that I hardly remember it. 1/10
My roommate is an exchange student from China who had never seen a Star Wars film.
He started working somewhere that encourages at least a basic knowledge of the franchise (we both work at Disneyland), so I’ve been putting him through the crash course.
He was already familiar with and could hum the main title theme and the imperial march as they are “a part of popular culture that everyone knows”.
We watched the latest special digital editions of the original trilogy, just because they are (sadly) the official versions of the films.
He enjoyed ANH quite a bit (was slightly disappointed in the absence of the imperial march lol) and immediately wanted to watch ESB and ROTJ, which we did.
His comments were not quite as illuminating as I would have hoped. Most often, he pointed out story elements that felt authentic to the fairy tales he enjoyed as a child in China: Yoda being a small and unlikely creature who is revealed to be a powerful sage, Luke’s internal struggle, etc.
We then saw TFA. He definitely enjoyed it a lot. Upon leaving the theatre he was energized and excited, but wasn’t sure if Rey was Luke’s daughter or not. He asked because, without subtitles, he thought he might have missed that confirmation.
He watched TPM without me (I don’t oppose watching it, I just had other things to do).
He didn’t outright hate it either. He laughed at the Nemoidians’ clearly Asian-inspired way of speaking, and really enjoyed the Lightsaber fight. His problem with the film, however, was that there was ‘no struggle’. I assume he meant an internal struggle like Luke’s in the OT that he had enjoyed so much. It’s an interesting issue, I think. Possibly a symptom of TPM’s supposed lack of a clear main character (although, I do believe it to be Jar Jar).
Since then, he hasn’t watched AOTC or ROTS. Not because TPM was offensively awful, but because it was flat.
This would also be one of the first times a newbie was introduced to the saga in the order: IV, V, VI, VII, I, II, III.
I hope this was at least a little bit of an interesting read for someone!
Funny story. I went to a screening at the Tech Museum in San Jose with my dad who had had spinal surgery a few weeks earlier. He couldn’t handle the ‘stimulation overload’ so we had to leave after about five minutes.
I loved what I saw (and heard) of the film. The image was slightly distorted, but this didn’t bother me.
Also, I noticed that the opening crawl seemed to jitter independently of the star field. Does anyone know if they did this on purpose? There’s no reason for that to happen if it was done digitally which I assume that it was. Right?
The best part was seeing the audience’s heads move left and right to read the crawl. The sound of the film projector before the film started was an awesome throwback as well. I really hope that they exhibit Episode VIII in this format next year.