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Luke did not stay on the island simply out of fear or shame. He believed that he was doing what’s best for the galaxy. All the teachings he gives to Rey serve to explain this reasoning. However, fear and shame had a hand in leading him to those conclusions. His fear of loss led him to cement Ben’s turn to the dark, his fear of failure led him to renounce the Jedi.

But the reason he stayed on the island and refused to fight was much deeper than simple fear. I would propose changing the line to “It was fear that led me here”. I think that under the context of their conversation this subtle change would help avoid any apparent misrepresentation or oversimplification of TLJ’s story.

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Hal 9000 said:

I really don’t plan to trim Luke’s dialogue further than in V1, and I like his line about fear. I appreciate you mocking those up.

I’m gonna go ahead and put the Luke conversation to bed.

I agree, I don’t see a need to change it, ‘Lesson 3’ dialogue is cool idea / way of tying back to 8, just doesn’t sound right and feels like a unnecessary change.

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I spent hours going through mark hamill interviews trying to find him say Three or make him say Three! Aaaaaah!!!

But seriously, it was worth trying out, but I do agree its better to leave it out if it doesn’t seem to fit in a natural way. The Dyad line works with Kylo for multiple reasons (the sfx & score for instance).

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@sherlockpotter I absolutely love your passion for this. Welcome to the party, Pal.

I think we should move this chat over to another thread but I’m interested in your ideas. Maybe continue the chat here? https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1415754/action/topic#1415754

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Looks like I missed quite a bit here!

I’m fine with not using the line we created. At least we were able to test out what it would sound like if it were inserted.

I’m glad Hal is sticking with fear keeping him there. My understanding of it is that he was afraid of talking to his sister after what he did to her son. He was also afraid that the galaxy’s expectations of him were too great and that he would end up failing again. Both are definitely fear based.

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Honestly, this is just me, I would’ve added the deleted scene of the third lesson back into The Last Jedi. I understand why you didn’t add it in because it revolves around the caretakers, which you removed, Hal. I didn’t mind them too much, and I also would’ve added back in the moment of one of them eyeing up Rey.

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I think it’s a nice scene overall, but as I stated a couple pages ago, it would suck to have yet another anti-climactic moment in a movie that is already full to the brim with them. And that scene in particular had a huge buildup which comes to a crashing halt in the name of a joke.

There is also the problem of missing visual effects that appear when Rey is running. This makes me wonder if it would be possible to remove that portion of the scene. That way, there aren’t missing visual effects and it doesn’t build up suspense for as long. I would personally be more interested in the scene then.

Regardless, this is probably best reserved for a TLJ thread.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

I think it’s a nice scene overall, but as I stated a couple pages ago, it would suck to have yet another anti-climactic moment in a movie that is already full to the brim with them. And that scene in particular had a huge buildup which comes to a crashing halt in the name of a joke.

There is also the problem of missing visual effects that appear when Rey is running. This makes me wonder if it would be possible to remove that portion of the scene. That way, there aren’t missing visual effects and it doesn’t build up suspense for as long. I would personally be more interested in the scene then.

Regardless, this is probably best reserved for a TLJ thread.

I agree that it’s best reserved for The Last Jedi thread, but I don’t know what you mean by missing VFX. It looked pretty complete to me, apart from the the sunset background behind Luke and Rey looks a little incomplete.

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If you read it you will be unable to unsee it so…

look at Rey’s feet in the wide shot of Rey running. First, the lightsaber is discolored as red. Second, she is kinda floating since her feet don’t actually touch the ground.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

If you read it you will be unable to unsee it so…

look at Rey’s feet in the wide shot of Rey running. First, the lightsaber is discolored as red. Second, she is kinda floating since her feet don’t actually touch the ground.

Holy crap! You’re right! The discoloration of the saber is only in the reflection in the water. Rey does look like she’s walking in place, like an unfinished game bug.

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Yeah, there are a few things in that scene that speak to the sequence not being ready for primetime. Personally, though, I agree with RJ’s reasoning for removing the scene. Without it, Luke and Rey have their falling out after a moment of hope and promise. Plus it is a long film as it is. I like the scene a great deal, but that’s why I didn’t reincorporate it into the film.
And without that scene the Caretakers don’t really serve a purpose, even though I don’t at all dislike them.

But let’s curb that topic, as it’s not relevant here.

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Burbin said:

Luke did not stay on the island simply out of fear or shame. He believed that he was doing what’s best for the galaxy. All the teachings he gives to Rey serve to explain this reasoning. However, fear and shame had a hand in leading him to those conclusions. His fear of loss led him to cement Ben’s turn to the dark, his fear of failure led him to renounce the Jedi.

But the reason he stayed on the island and refused to fight was much deeper than simple fear. I would propose changing the line to “It was fear that led me here”. I think that under the context of their conversation this subtle change would help avoid any apparent misrepresentation or oversimplification of TLJ’s story.

That’s a fine point, if one was to make any change to the line a bit.

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Hal 9000 said:

Plus it is a long film as it is.

Just curious if you consider runtime to be important when fan editing, Hal. Personally, I find it a bit irrelevant when it comes to delivering the best quality edit you can make out of a movie, no matter how much is removed and added in. No offense if you feel runtime is important. That’s just how I see it.

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Well, I guess the community has spoken. Ah well.

Were there any more lines up for consideration other than “Family’s saber” and “birth of her son”? We’d still need to find usable sources to make those line changes work, or else come up with different alternatives entirely.

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I do have a couple ideas left, Sherlock.

First, have you seen the following audio work Hal? https://youtu.be/B3tP9gaUmnQ
I know we put a couple custom lines in for this (namely Leia), but these audio lines are SIGNIFICANTLY clearer thanks to whatever this guy did.

Second, Luke says “We’ll always be with you” very clearly in the following trailer: https://youtu.be/4VuAMFJeeJQ?t=84
The line never appears in the film as far as I’m aware. If anybody has any ideas where it could appear, feel free to share.

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It would be nice to have Luke say that as Rey looks at the X-Wing. Could work as a little foreshadowing.

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DZ-330 said:

It would be nice to have Luke say that as Rey looks at the X-Wing. Could work as a little foreshadowing.

Exactly what I thought!

He would basically be saying that him and Leia will always be with her as she leaves for Exegol. It’s a much better final line for him to say to her than “You have everything you need”, and makes Rey’s calling out make even more sense later on.

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I like the thought, and I like the line. Would it feel too artificial though, given how far away he decided to stand from her in that moment? He’d realistically have to shout it. Maybe we could add a little reverb, to show that he’s now communicating to her in her head through the Force, rather than in person as a ghost?

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Reverb is a nice idea.

Although the implication I was going for is that he tells her that when he comes closer, it’s only because this is a movie that we hear the line earlier.

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sherlockpotter said:

Well, I guess the community has spoken.  Ah well.

Were there any more lines up for consideration other than “Family’s saber” and “birth of her son”?  We’d still need to find usable sources to make those line changes work, or else come up with different alternatives entirely.

There was the really neat idea a few pages back of piecing together a Sebastian Shaw Anakin line, to be used during the Jedi voices moment (apologies for blanking on who originally came up with the idea!)

Also, if I could add my own input regarding any additional line alterations: the line that still lands with a painful thud for me is the “They sold you, to protect you” moment.

To be clear, I have no major issue with the film portraying Rey’s parents as being vaguely noble in their intentions… despite how crowbarred into the story it can feel at times. I just find the notion of selling your kid into endless slavery as a means of protection to be a really problematic concept to take seriously, especially when it’s so quickly brushed over with just a single line and a rushed flashback.

To me, this line attempts to sloppily reaffirm TROS’s newly proposed concept that Rey’s parents were completely innocent and did everything they possibly could for her, while still trying to somewhat gel with the retroactively jarring Simon Pegg slave trade moment in the TFA forceback.

I feel that in trying to achieve both goals at once, the film ends up severely missing the mark on each. My proposed fix for this is to trim the line to a simple “They sold you” with Rey promptly cutting Kylo off with “Stop talking!”

This change would instead make Kylo’s part of dialogue exist as more of a crushing taunt to Rey. It highlights the pain of her abandonment, a decision made by her parents which inadvertently went on to define her entire adult life (and character arc), a topic to which she’s more than understandably sensitive to. The actual payoff of this sequence (her parent’s intended nobility in selling her) would then have better punch, in that their “noble” intentions would now be revealed in the later flashback, instead of being deflated and spoiled in Kylo’s already redundant expositional line.

This change could also very mildly gel better with TLJ’s “drinking money” reveal, in that her parent’s intentions now have just a few clicks more ambiguity without such a concrete explanation given, leaving room for why supposedly “good” parents may have handed Rey over to Unkar Plutt, of all people.

Perhaps they were indeed good people forced into a tough situation, but did they truly do everything they possibly could to save their daughter from a miserable life? For me, having this question remain even vaguely open gives Rey’s arc in TROS so much more dramatic complexity, instead of just having her parents be flat out good people with no shades of grey at all.

Would it be feasible to trim the line like this without it disrupting anything else, or being too jarring? Less jarring than the line already is, I mean!

(… sorry for the essay. Oops! I guess I dislike the implications of the original line even more than I initially thought… lol)

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I’ll come up with something that you like someday, Hal. lol

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I just find the notion of selling your kid into endless slavery as a means of protection to be a really problematic concept to take seriously, especially when it’s so quickly brushed over with just a single line and a rushed flashback.

I don’t believe that was ever meant to be a permanent arrangement. Pretty sure their intentions were to leave her there for a year to a couple years until this Sith assassin stops chasing them down so aggressively. At that point they would have come back for her, but of course they got murdered.

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Maybe they thought they’d leave her there for a few hours. I mean, given the final timeline we’re looking at it seems Ochi was right on their tail.

Rey could’ve come to see herself as having been “sold,” but the idea doesn’t need to be in this movie. That term need not be hung on it, I mean. If you want to describe what happened in TROS’ depiction of the past, it could be described other ways. Maybe they paid Unklar a little something to watch her a while.

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