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Sigma957 said:

So this all came about because someone who owns an original print had a scan of it made and someone else has a copy of the scan that person paid for afterward. Yet the one who owns the original print STILL owns an original print. A PHYSICAL print.

It must be a western idea but I really do not see what the problem is here. It’s hard to digitally lay claim to ownership of something without a digital watermark from the beginning. Yeah they paid for it to be scanned but really what were they planning to do with it after it was scanned? Sit on it and pass it on to their children? To do what? Continue to sit on it?

Maybe it’s good I missed all the drama of the past few weeks. Longtime lurker here.

I get that the main point of this post is just to say you’re unaware of what is going on. But yes, you are absolutely unaware of everything that has gone on, why it is important, what the intentions are for the prints and scans in question, and why those involved are concerned about unforeseen distribution of those materials. And I think most of those aspects have been discussed today as well as throughout the weekend, so the answers should be fairly near the surface if you’re looking to be a bit more informed. Writing it off as a western thing would be another option.

RU.08 said:

Laserschwert said:

I’ve gotta say, I didn’t really understand MV’s jab at the Silverscreen release.

I agree. Without an inflated ego -1 wouldn’t have begun the project in the first place.

What is that supposed to mean? Does Harmy have an inflated ego?

towne32 said:

Sigma957 said:

So this all came about because someone who owns an original print had a scan of it made and someone else has a copy of the scan that person paid for afterward. Yet the one who owns the original print STILL owns an original print. A PHYSICAL print.

It must be a western idea but I really do not see what the problem is here. It’s hard to digitally lay claim to ownership of something without a digital watermark from the beginning. Yeah they paid for it to be scanned but really what were they planning to do with it after it was scanned? Sit on it and pass it on to their children? To do what? Continue to sit on it?

Maybe it’s good I missed all the drama of the past few weeks. Longtime lurker here.

I get that the main point of this post is just to say you’re unaware of what is going on. But yes, you are absolutely unaware of everything that has gone on, why it is important, what the intentions are for the prints and scans in question, and why those involved are concerned about unforeseen distribution of those materials. And I think most of those aspects have been discussed today as well as throughout the weekend, so the answers should be fairly near the surface if you’re looking to be a bit more informed. Writing it off as a western thing would be another option.

'Murica!

When is Mike Verta’s meeting with Disney? Is it for-sure happening? From what I read, it sounds like it’s not even set?

Dek Rollins said:

towne32 said:

Sigma957 said:

So this all came about because someone who owns an original print had a scan of it made and someone else has a copy of the scan that person paid for afterward. Yet the one who owns the original print STILL owns an original print. A PHYSICAL print.

It must be a western idea but I really do not see what the problem is here. It’s hard to digitally lay claim to ownership of something without a digital watermark from the beginning. Yeah they paid for it to be scanned but really what were they planning to do with it after it was scanned? Sit on it and pass it on to their children? To do what? Continue to sit on it?

Maybe it’s good I missed all the drama of the past few weeks. Longtime lurker here.

I get that the main point of this post is just to say you’re unaware of what is going on. But yes, you are absolutely unaware of everything that has gone on, why it is important, what the intentions are for the prints and scans in question, and why those involved are concerned about unforeseen distribution of those materials. And I think most of those aspects have been discussed today as well as throughout the weekend, so the answers should be fairly near the surface if you’re looking to be a bit more informed. Writing it off as a western thing would be another option.

What I don’t get about this is that it technically wasn’t TN1’s fault.

Nope.

If I know you are completely untrustworthy, and I give you a gun, and you shoot someone, that in no way absolves you from guilt.

I say let’s get back on-topic. Williarob will get a superior scan, as a “parting gift” from poita, and the Silverscreen Edition will be better for it. So, whatever happens, there will be a good quality, high resolution version of Star Wars available to enjoy, and fiddle with. Meanwhile, Mike Verta will hopefully get his chance to present his restoration to the powers that be, which offers the best chance of an official release (theatrical for the 40th Anniversary?), and the restoration and release of the other two films in the trilogy. So, despite some drama, things are looking pretty damn good.

Ps. Let’s not forget about Harmy’s Despecialized 3.0!

Of course not. That’s why I didn’t quote the rest of his post - it’s irrelevant to the part I did quote.

DrDre said:

I say let’s get back on-topic. Williarob will get a superior scan, as a “parting gift” from poita, and the Silverscreen Edition will be better for it. So, whatever happens, there will be a good quality, high resolution version of Star Wars available to enjoy, and fiddle with. Meanwhile, Mike Verta will hopefully get his chance to present his restoration to the powers that be, which offers the best chance of an official release (theatrical for the 40th Anniversary?), and the restoration and release of the other two films in the trilogy. So, despite some drama, things are looking pretty damn good.

Ps. Let’s not forget about Harmy’s Despecialized 3.0!

I look forward to both. 😃

DrDre said:

I say let’s get back on-topic. Williarob will get a superior scan, as a “parting gift” from poita, and the Silverscreen Edition will be better for it. So, whatever happens, there will be a good quality, high resolution version of Star Wars available to enjoy, and fiddle with. Meanwhile, Mike Verta will hopefully get his chance to present his restoration to the powers that be, which offers the best chance of an official release (theatrical for the 40th Anniversary?), and the restoration and release of the other two films in the trilogy. So, despite some drama, things are looking pretty damn good.

Ps. Let’s not forget about Harmy’s Despecialized 3.0!

It’s funny to think back to how happy I was when the first version of Despecialized was released and look at where we are now. We’ve got Despecialized 2.5 and the Silver Screen Edition which are both awesome in their own respects and then all of the future projects you mentioned. Pretty cool. 😃

Molly said:

I hope someone will be able to pick up the torch, and do (as they said they intended) with the 97s as was done with the OTVs - I think there’s opportunity with HD scans of the 97s alongside the OTVs and the 2004 HDTV rips, with the BDs.

I usually wouldn’t care about SE’s, but the way you put it, with the fan-OTV’s, HDTV rips and, of course, the BDs, you’re right that the 97SEs actually are the only hold outs of Star Wars versions to be available to fans in decent quality. For this small last step toward having all revisions available for people to choose from, I agree with you.

yoda-sama said:

Molly said:

I hope someone will be able to pick up the torch, and do (as they said they intended) with the 97s as was done with the OTVs - I think there’s opportunity with HD scans of the 97s alongside the OTVs and the 2004 HDTV rips, with the BDs.

I usually wouldn’t care about SE’s, but the way you put it, with the fan-OTV’s, HDTV rips and, of course, the BDs, you’re right that the 97SEs actually are the only hold outs of Star Wars versions to be available to fans in decent quality. For this small last step toward having all revisions available for people to choose from, I agree with you.

That and Empire 70mm.

Oh, good point. Though at that rate we’d have to probably include Star Wars '81 (AHN crawl).

Colson said:

Wazzles said:

yoda-sama said:

Molly said:

I hope someone will be able to pick up the torch, and do (as they said they intended) with the 97s as was done with the OTVs - I think there’s opportunity with HD scans of the 97s alongside the OTVs and the 2004 HDTV rips, with the BDs.

I usually wouldn’t care about SE’s, but the way you put it, with the fan-OTV’s, HDTV rips and, of course, the BDs, you’re right that the 97SEs actually are the only hold outs of Star Wars versions to be available to fans in decent quality. For this small last step toward having all revisions available for people to choose from, I agree with you.

That and Empire 70mm.

Is that different from regular Empire?

Surprisingly, yeah. It was the first cut released, and right after they completed it and sent it off, George decided to mess with it some more. It has some minor differences in soundtrack as well as lacking a few shots at the end of the film.

Though it should be pointed out that the wide release seen by the vast majority of people in 1980 was not the 70mm version. It was kind of a stutter step of a release, but it does exist.

yoda-sama said:

Though it should be pointed out that the wide release seen by the vast majority of people in 1980 was not the 70mm version. It was kind of a stutter step of a release, but it does exist.

I still want to see it some day, especially since it’s so unknown. It’s also the first Star Wars to be altered visually after release, so it’s an important milestone in George’s madness. Surprisingly it was mentioned in the 2004 commentary track.

And there may have even been a second run of 70mm prints with the revised standard cut. The collectible film cells that were sold in the mid-90s include frames of shots that were supposedly not in the 70mm version. I’ve combed over a ton of the cells on eBay and found that the Eastman film stock edge codes printed in from the 65mm internegative (blue on black) have two circles, meaning the film stock that the previous generation was printed onto was manufactured in 1979. (The cells themselves were newly made, the actual positive print stock has 1995 edge codes.)

Maybe other countries got the revised version on 70mm, since it was released overseas later…