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Hi. I want to make a ld to dvd transfer. I captured the movies on my pc. But the trouble is the image trembles/shake ( i don't excactly know how to put it in english). When I deinterlace the image is good, but ofcourse I don't want to deinterlace since this reduces the quality. My second problem is, when I resize (to 16:9 anamorphic) interlacing artifacts become visible on the tv screen. I normally work with PAL source so I'm new to NTSC material. Does anyone know how I can solve this problems? Thanks!
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Can you make a short segment of your AVI available, so we can see what you mean by "the shakes"? Keep in mind that the video, itslef, shakes a little due to telecining from the film (my generated crawl is way too smooth when compared to the original crawl.)

And yes, you don't want to deinterlace - only IVTC.

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Check your field order - I know DV captures are different to normal capture (top field first?)

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the shaking, is it thru out the entire avi?
when converting to 16:9 (i just figured this out recently after 1.5 years) i use virtualdub, select the resize filter and with the filter loaded, select crop, and crop 60 from the top and 60 from the bottom. then configure the resize filter to the normal size of the video (for me it is 720x480). in the the box thats labeled filter mode you need to select either precise bicubic or Lanczos3 (this will prevent the interlacing artifacts you are seeing) these filters will help add lines to sharpen the enlarged video. what program are you using for editing?
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Hi this is an interesting thread i will be following this info posted here as well,and a question i have is if i wanted to post an AVI file for you guys to look at(MeBeJedi,moth3r,etc.)how and where can i post it?becuase i will be capturing my Laserdisc SE set this weekend.
thanks in advance
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Well, you can try a link at www.youshareit.com. Just email the link to yourself, and PM us with the URL.

You can only upload 1GB at a time, and while that's a lot for MPEG, it's but a smidgen for AVI, so keep your sample small.

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Hi. Yes I can make a short segment. I just have to figure out how to make it available... I encode my avis using cce. Normally, bottom field first. If this is no good, I mark top field first. The field order in this case is bottom field first. Sometimes in a very bright part in a movie the image seems to tremble, in my avis it's like that thru the entire avi. I also used virtualdub for resizing. I cropped using nultransform (104 from top, 100 from bottom, just leaving the image, cutting of entire black bars). Then I resize to 720 x 360. I expand it to letterbox to 720 x 480. For the filter mode I used the lanczos filter, you can also select "interlacing (not recommended for enlarging)" well seems to me I must not mark it. But the problem is when I burn a piece of encoded avi on dvd to check it on my tv it seems the lines of the interlacing artifacts in the picture are twice as big and very well visible. Normally when I encode interlaced PAL material the image is very smooth on tv, in this case it's the oposite.
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Maybe i can upload a fragment of avi to myspleen as a torrent???
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That would actually take longer, unless you know someone who can host it for you. Youshareit is very qeick.

"Sometimes in a very bright part in a movie the image seems to tremble, in my avis it's like that thru the entire avi."

Your example sounds like blooming - the picture is too bright for the tv to handle. Is this a capture? Are your video settings correct? Are your colors NTSC safe?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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It was captured using a canopus advc55 and sony vegas 5. The colors are to bright. But making it darker doesn't really change the tremble. I don't know how to turn it into safe ntsc colors.
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Two ways:

1) You can adjust the capture qualities under Video>Properties (This is your best bet, especially, if you use Video Essentials to calibrate.

2) You can adjust the colors of the video once you have the video in the editing space. To make sure your colors are "NTSC safe", look at the video plug-in s.

Something else to keep in mind - make sure that your monitor, itself, is calibrated as well, if you want WYSIWYG.

(BTW, I use Vegas 5 myself. I love it, and I'm capturing right now. )

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<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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OK thanks, I'll give it a try.
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I don't think it has somthing to do with pulldown. As far as I understand anything of 3:2, 2:3, inverse 3:2 etc. I'm a PAL guy. No, I have to say after upping the contrast and downing the brightness there's almost no trembling left. I'm not going to use pulldown, I'll keep it at 29.970 frames per second. Only problem left is resizing. Quality is going down after resizing. So I'm thinking about keeping it at fullscreen unless I find a lossless way to resize. I tried resizing in virtualdub (I'm doing everything in virtualdub).
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Hmm, so not the 3:2 pulldown, at a guess do you mean the whole screen shaking very very slightly? probably when they captured the actual film they did it in realtime instead of using todays individual frame capturing/cleaning methods so the image didn't stay 100% in place going through the projector. (finding it hard to get across my theory, which is probably wrong)

BTW I'm using a Canopus ADVC-100 which has the same analogue-to-digital hardware, I find I have to shift the chroma 3 pixels to the left to get it so the picture doesn't look like the colour is bleeding (use Flaxen's VHS filter, Chroma Shifting I & Q, Horizontal 3 Neg), also to compensate for the lower chroma compression use VirtualDub's internal filter Chroma Smoother in 4:1:1 NTSC DV mode.

edit: if you need to use filters that don't have an interlace button/option, use the internal deinterlace in "Unfold fields side-by-side" before the filter(s) and then afterwards use deinterlace in "Fold side-by-side fields together" mode.

edit2: Just remembered, if you encode the video to mpeg2 with in the wrong field order then any interlacing will stick out like a sore thumb, I have a Sigma Hollywood+ hardware mpeg decoder card in my PC which is extremely useful for checking encoded mpeg files and whole DVDs on a real tv before burning anything to disc, my 2nd one only cost me £9 from eBay including postage (I have one in each machine)
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"No, I have to say after upping the contrast and downing the brightness there's almost no trembling left."

Sounds like it was definitely blooming then.

"probably when they captured the actual film they did it in realtime instead of using todays individual frame capturing/cleaning methods so the image didn't stay 100% in place going through the projector."

I'm not sure what method was used, but while there is a slight amount of movement, it sounds like Arnie was seeing a lot more than what is considered normal. The fact that lowering the brightness helped says a lot.

"if you encode the video to mpeg2 with in the wrong field order then any interlacing will stick out like a sore thumb,"

True, but it doesn't introduce more shaking.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Thanks for the tip on how to use fold and unfold deinterlace. I always wondered what is was for
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