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my name is dahmage, you can call me out by name.

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dahmage said:

my name is dahmage, you can call me out by name.

I wasn’t trying to avoid confronting you. I just didn’t want to draw you in not knowing if you wanted to be involved in the discussion.

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Jay said:

dahmage said:

my name is dahmage, you can call me out by name.

I wasn’t trying to avoid confronting you. I just didn’t want to draw you in not knowing if you wanted to be involved in the discussion.

Ok, I understand.

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Jay said:

If you honestly believe I deserve most of what Collipso said, I don’t understand why you’re still here.

Honestly? For the projects that call this place home. I’m not even sure why I’ve been checking the Off Topic or General sections for the past day or so, and I probably won’t continue to do so very much, if at all, from now on.

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Is Frink permanently banned?

Hot take: The Force Awakens is in no way, shape or form a rehash or remake of A New Hope.
It’s no more derivative than the average sequel, and is certainly less derivative than the prequels.

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SparkySywer said:

Is Frink permanently banned?

I haven’t decided. It’ll definitely be the last time we lift the ban if so.

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Though I would welcome back all of those banned over this discussion, I suspect they have become too deeply entrenched in their positions to appreciate the offer. Of those involved I am most surprised and disappointed with Collipso’s reaction…I had previously considered him to be much more sympathetic and thoughtful.

Frink has long been a catalyst to this site–sometimes to positive, while other times to negative, effect. Without his wit we shall lose some array of humour…and without Possessed we shall lack his acerbic charm, but I have marveled at Jay’s restraint for many months and am truly not surprised he has reached the conclusion he has. The attacks against his character have been disproportionate to his typical handling of disagreements and required some form of response. For an individual who subsidizes the cost of this site both financially and through a great deal of time, he deserves far more respect than he has been receiving…simple decorum alone should recommend all here to appreciate that we all have been given the privilege to interact here solely due to his largess…we are guests and so should acknowledge that at the very least.

Further, his responses in the politics thread have generally been fairly reasonable and thought-out. They have not been baiting so as to draw an opponent into a crossfire and have not been unsupportable rants of pure emotion…they have been considerate, calm, focused, consistent, and mature.

Even if one might not agree with all or any of his comments or arguments there is absolutely no justification for reducing debate to personal insults or attacks. I would strongly encourage a return of the politics thread, but would equally imagine it might need frequent periods of temporary lock-down. Further, I would encourage a very strict deletion of any posts that slide into personal attacks of any fashion. All here are perfectly capable of discussing topics without attempting to undermine the person against whom they disagree. We are a long way from primary school, ladies and gentlemen…

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Post Praetorian said:

Further, his responses in the politics thread have generally been fairly reasonable and thought-out. They have not been baiting so as to draw an opponent into a crossfire and have not been unsupportable rants of pure emotion…they have been considerate, calm, focused, consistent, and mature.

Eh, for the most part, yes. But on some days, the best that can be said is that I wasn’t any nastier than my opponent.

Thank you for the kind words otherwise.

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I’m not an administrator for a reason but I wonder if it’s possible or a good idea to pardon them but not allow them to post in Off-Topic categories

Hot take: The Force Awakens is in no way, shape or form a rehash or remake of A New Hope.
It’s no more derivative than the average sequel, and is certainly less derivative than the prequels.

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Since I’ve never ventured into into the politics thread, and having been rather busy with off-line activities, I’m truly shocked by what has transpired here.

thanks jay. you managed to fuck everything up. please, go drive into a tree.

If this is the type of disgusting reponses the politics thread elicits, it and the people that endorse such behaviour have no place here in my humble opinion. We all have our moments of weakness, and many of us including yours truly have crossed lines, acted emotionally rather than rationally, or engaged in some form of assholery but this is on a wholly different level.

I have more respect than ever for Jay and the mods for having to deal with this crap.

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Comments like that weren’t being made by most in the politics thread. Jay broke his own rules on personal attacks and insults and then deleted the thread almost immediately after people started calling him out on it.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Comments like that weren’t being made by most in the politics thread. Jay broke his own rules on personal attacks and insults and then deleted the thread almost immediately after people started calling him out on it.

I told dahmage he was acting like an ass (and he was) for doing exactly what everyone in the thread was warned not to do repeatedly over the course of months, if not years.

As I’ve said elsewhere, rather than losing my cool, I probably should’ve just banned him for failing to heed previous warnings, in which case we’d be in the same situation (“Jay’s abusing his powers blah blah blah”), but at least I wouldn’t have “broken my own rules”.

Since this conspiracy theory that I deleted the thread to hide my own actions refuses to die, I’ve moved the Politics 2 thread back to public view so everyone can read it and form their own opinion:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Politics-2-Electric-Boogaloo/id/53003

Re-reading the last few pages, I feel even better now about my decision to lock it than I did that day. Good riddance.

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The “conspiracy theory” persists because of the timing. Right when those events occurred, you shut down the thread. It didn’t help that that you made the thread disappear. You have to admit it is not a good look.

I am not sure what you should have done in regards to dahmage, but I will say that calling him an ass and thus violating your own rules is also a bad look. I am not really what he did really required you to do anything.

I will also say yet again that in order to punish thought that were not behaving as you would like, you’ve punished everyone.

I am sorry you feel this way about the politics thread. It is very unfortunate and sad. I have a lot good memories discussing politics here. I learned a lot from debated the likes of Mrebo, Ferris, C3PX and others. I feel in this day and age it is all the more important to take politics with the other side. It is clear there is a big divide in this country. The only way the resolve it is if we talk to each other. I still feel there is a way to make politics work here. Just make clear rules of how you want people act in thread and then enforce them. Start with warnings, then temp bans, then maybe long term temp bans and then perm bans. I agree there need to be hard rules about not take disputes to other threads. I also think requiring not just no name calling but civility and required people to really stick to arguing the point and issue and not the person. I think they will help keep things from getting out of the hand. If you want to ban 1 word responses in the thread, fine. I wish there was a way to make you see the merit in the politics thread(and the merit in the off topic section for that matter). But I don’t think there is. It’s ashame, it’s ashame.


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Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Comments like that weren’t being made by most in the politics thread. Jay broke his own rules on personal attacks and insults and then deleted the thread almost immediately after people started calling him out on it.

I told dahmage he was acting like an ass (and he was) for doing exactly what everyone in the thread was warned not to do repeatedly over the course of months, if not years.

You didn’t. You called him an ass for pointing out in one word how senseless your political commentary was. No one ever has been told not to use one-word responses to call someone out. So that’s a rule you made up on the spot.

As I’ve said elsewhere, rather than losing my cool, I probably should’ve just banned him for failing to heed previous warnings, in which case we’d be in the same situation (“Jay’s abusing his powers blah blah blah”), but at least I wouldn’t have “broken my own rules”.

Of course we’d have said that you were abusing your power because you would’ve banned someone who didn’t even break the rules and that you were obviously just mad at because he was being “snarky”, as you like to say, towards your political opinion. If snark is against the rules then you would’ve had to have banned yourself a million times before, so if you’re saying respectfulness is a rule then it’s just another of the many rules that you yourself are not beholden to.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Jay said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Comments like that weren’t being made by most in the politics thread. Jay broke his own rules on personal attacks and insults and then deleted the thread almost immediately after people started calling him out on it.

I told dahmage he was acting like an ass (and he was) for doing exactly what everyone in the thread was warned not to do repeatedly over the course of months, if not years.

You didn’t. You called him an ass for pointing out in one word how senseless your political commentary was. No one ever has been told not to use one-word responses to call someone out. So that’s a rule you made up on the spot.

Participants in that thread were warned REPEATEDLY over months to participate in the debate in a substantive fashion or get out. Anyone who didn’t pick up on that obviously wasn’t following the thread closely, which would explain, at least in part, the quality of the discussion.

Your inability to have a reasoned debate while constantly referring to others’ political opinions using dismissive words like “senseless” are a prime example of why the thread went to shit.

As I’ve said elsewhere, rather than losing my cool, I probably should’ve just banned him for failing to heed previous warnings, in which case we’d be in the same situation (“Jay’s abusing his powers blah blah blah”), but at least I wouldn’t have “broken my own rules”.

Of course we’d have said that you were abusing your power because you would’ve banned someone who didn’t even break the rules and that you were obviously just mad at because he was being “snarky”, as you like to say, towards your political opinion. If snark is against the rules then you would’ve had to have banned yourself a million times before, so if you’re saying respectfulness is a rule then it’s just another of the many rules that you yourself are not beholden to.

I disagree, and everyone is now free to review the thread and form their own opinion, just like you’re free to leave this oppressive regime behind and take your negativity elsewhere.

Or, you could get over it and move on with your life, which is what I plan to do. This will be my last response to this thread.

Ta.

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I took one look at the politics two thread and I have to say I expected better things given how much hype you all gave it. Good golly just put it in a black hole again and we’re good. Jay, you need not say anything more I saw it and I’m sorry that things got how they did, even though I’m late to the game still sorry.

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Jay said:

Or, you could get over it and move on with your life, which is what I plan to do.

If you were going to move on with your life, you would have already moved on with your life.

It seems clear to me from reading the last several pages of “Politics 2” that you were making things much worse than they needed to be. You seem to have a very real inability to de-escalate a situation outside of using mod powers. If you’d have changed the subject (which multiple other people were also already trying to do), the subject would have been changed.

When people think your claims to be in the center or even left of center, rather than on the right, are false and to that point either mistaken or disingenuous, you get very much bent out of shape about it and get into a big unnecessary argument. There are more ways to de-escalate a conversation than to threaten or use mod powers.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.