kk650's Star Wars Saga: Regraded and Semi-Specialized (Released) — Page 12

Chewtobacca said:

If you're happy and don't want to change anything, then there's not much more to be said, but I would point out that I heard the cuts without looking for them.

Fair enough. When I use the cinema DTS audio to create a new track there won't need to be one of those cuts you pointed out there anymore. In fact there'll be very few audio cuts throughout the whole film so you'll probably prefer that track.

Chewtobacca said:

42:54

43:06

43:58?

I'm fairly sure I can hear all of your audio edits.  Are you crossfading at edit points?

 I wouldn't have caught the first one without listening for it, because of the major shot change (the speeder quiets down as it travels away, and then picks up again in town). But yes, the other two are a bit noticeable. 

towne32 said:

Chewtobacca said:

42:54

43:06

43:58?

I'm fairly sure I can hear all of your audio edits.  Are you crossfading at edit points?

 I wouldn't have caught the first one without listening for it, because of the major shot change (the speeder quiets down as it travels away, and then picks up again in town). But yes, the other two are a bit noticeable. 

The only way to make the cut removing the swinging jawa totally unnoticable would be for the music to be rescored by John Williams to fit my release, which I don't think is going to happen haha. I am personally very happy with that audio cut, it turned out much better than I could've hoped and I don't find it at all jarring, which is the most important thing.

The last cut you mentioned won't be necessary when I use the Cinema DTS audio to create a new track for this release.

kk650 said:

I don't find it at all jarring, which is the most important thing.

 Maybe to you, but you released it to the public.  The public often cares about different things.

TV's Frink said:

kk650 said:

I don't find it at all jarring, which is the most important thing.

 Maybe to you, but you released it to the public.  The public often cares about different things.

I've done the very best I can there, I am very satisfied with that audio cut and i'm a difficult man to please.

Ultimately I'm making these Semi-Specialised Editions for myself, I'm very happy that others are enjoying them as well but my aim was never to try to please all the public, as that would be impossible.

Everybody has a different opinion on things to keep/change/remove from the Special Editions, so if I was trying to make everybody happy with these releases they'd never see the light of day.

kk650 said:

TV's Frink said:

kk650 said:

I don't find it at all jarring, which is the most important thing.

 Maybe to you, but you released it to the public.  The public often cares about different things.

I've done the very best I can there, I am very satisfied with that audio cut and i'm a difficult man to please.

Ultimately I'm making these Semi-Specialised Editions for myself, I'm very happy that others are enjoying them as well but my aim was never to try to please all the public, as that would be impossible.

Everybody has a different opinion on things to keep/change/remove from the Special Editions, so if I was trying to make everybody happy with these releases they'd never see the light of day.

I'm happy with them, as they're almost all changes I was thinking of trying to implement myself.

As I said, I don't find them too jarring, especially the first one. But I do think cross-fading could help. I'm not sure what the function in TMPG does, but cross-fading overlaps audio from the two adjacent cuts and adjusts their levels simultaneously to smoothen things out without leaving a moment of silence behind (as depicted here: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/w/images/8/85/Equal_power_cross-fade.png ). If nothing else, maybe you'll find it useful in your future work in situations where you can't find a good cutting point.

towne32 said:

kk650 said:

TV's Frink said:

kk650 said:

I don't find it at all jarring, which is the most important thing.

 Maybe to you, but you released it to the public.  The public often cares about different things.

I've done the very best I can there, I am very satisfied with that audio cut and i'm a difficult man to please.

Ultimately I'm making these Semi-Specialised Editions for myself, I'm very happy that others are enjoying them as well but my aim was never to try to please all the public, as that would be impossible.

Everybody has a different opinion on things to keep/change/remove from the Special Editions, so if I was trying to make everybody happy with these releases they'd never see the light of day.

 

I'm happy with them, as they're almost all changes I was thinking of trying to implement myself.

As I said, I don't find them too jarring, especially the first one. But I do think cross-fading could help. I'm not sure what the function in TMPG does, but cross-fading overlaps audio from the two adjacent cuts and adjusts their levels simultaneously to smoothen things out without leaving a moment of silence behind (as depicted here: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/w/images/8/85/Equal_power_cross-fade.png ). If nothing else, maybe you'll find it useful in your future work in situations where you can't find a good cutting point.

Thanks for that explanation. I'll definately look into it.

Crossfadiing of audio edits is essential to arriving at a seamless result when joining tracks together.  If it isn't done, the edits will instantly stand out and jar the listener away from their suspension of disbelief, which is the very last thing you want to happen in something that is supposed to be an uninterrupted movie experience.

Edit points must also be chosen very carefully, particularly when there is music involved.  Trust me, I wrestle with this kind of thing all the time . . .

hairy_hen said:

Crossfadiing of audio edits is essential to arriving at a seamless result when joining tracks together.  If it isn't done, the edits will instantly stand out and jar the listener away from their suspension of disbelief, which is the very last thing you want to happen in something that is supposed to be an uninterrupted movie experience.

Edit points must also be chosen very carefully, particularly when there is music involved.  Trust me, I wrestle with this kind of thing all the time . . .

I do have fading between the audio cuts which makes it a lot more seamless than if it wasn't there, seamless enough that the audio doesn't take me out of the film at any point but I do not believe it is crossfading. If crossfading can make it even more seamless then that would be great, I might as well give it a shot and i'll learn something new in the process.

I did actually spend a few weeks carefully choosing the audio edit points of the three semi-specialised editions a year ago to make the edits as seamless as possible so I know exactly what you mean hairy_hen.

Has anybody that has seen this release noticed any scratches or dots that stand out? If you have, please let me know the timecode of when it occurs so I can check it out and correct it.

I've carefully watched this whole retro release from start to finish noting down everything I saw that I felt needed to be corrected but I very likely missed some, its so difficult to keep an eye on the whole frame while you're watching the film.

I'm planning to rerelease this retro release with all these noticable dots/stratches removed very soon. A few seperate shots that I missed when I was regrading this have also had their colours changed to better maintain colour continuety throughout the film.

For those interested, here's one of the more obvious examples of the type of error i'm talking about on the Star wars blu-ray that i've been removing. I'm amazed this one made it onto the blu-ray:

Looks like it could be a messed up clone brush or something like that when they were cleaning up the print that they left in by mistake.

Okay guys, I really need your feedback here.

I've been adjusting the fleshtones on Star Wars and would like to know which of these two settings you guys prefer or which feels more 'right' to you in these screencap comparisons, Regraded A or Regraded B:

http://www.screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/75871/picture:0

A looks better. In B, the guy seems to suffer from liver failure.

Beber said:

A looks better. In B, the guy seems to suffer from liver failure.

Agreed.

towne32 said:

Beber said:

A looks better. In B, the guy seems to suffer from liver failure.

 

Agreed.

 agree

Yep i like A as well

Cheers guys, that is very helpful! Setting A is what I used for the latest Star Wars release. Seems I got a little carried away with setting B, it can happen when you spend too much time colour grading haha

EDIT: Scratch that second comparison.

Neither. Liver failure also. Plus, this new comparison shots show a reddish shadow on the wall/door behind the guy. Previous A was better.

Beber said:

Neither. Liver failure also. Plus, this new comparison shots show a reddish shadow on the wall/door behind the guy. Previous A was better.

The previous A was for the retro release, that's supposed to replicate the desaturated look of the prints and look as natural as possible. The fleshtones on the technicolor release aren't exactly supposed to look natural, the fleshtone colours are meant to be more saturated than is natural. The A technicolor settings here are exactly the same as the previous A settings, the only difference is the amount of saturation.

Take this picture of Ingrid Bergman for example:

Or this shot from Gone with the Wind:

I take it that you prefer A over B then because it has less yellow that gives that liver failure look in fleshtones? Compared to those technicolor shots above the saturation level of those screencaps is actually really conservative. I'm kinda tempted to push the saturation level a fair bit more actually, see how far I can go before my eyes start to burn haha

Second picture no worky.  Also, for the liver failure, may I suggest a Vend-a-Gut?

I'd imagine Leia and that bloke with Vader from the B settings would certainly take you up on that Frink but I could personally use something for eyeburn, regrading Star Wars for too long is one sitting is not recommended.

The colour and fleshtone settings for Star Wars are finalised now, thanks for all your help guys! I was starting to go overboard with the colours, always happens when I regrade for too long, and you pulled me back from the abyss, much appreciated!

I think I had it pretty much right with my latest release of Star Wars. The retro settings will stay the same as that release, with its slight green push to give it the feel of the print, the classic and technicolor settings will both have the same more neutral colour palette with the only difference between the two being the saturation level. I have to now encode different saturation versions for those two settings to see what works best on my TV.

I think i'm going to take a break from Star Wars for a few days though, so I can judge with fresher eyes.

Hal 9000 said:

How's it going? Looking at the last screenshot with the "obvious" error, I still do not know what I'm looking for. lol

I'll confess my ulterior motive... I'm gonna use this project as a primary source for a custom SE I'm cobbling together for myself. There's some good '04/'11 video to use (like the improved set extension in the cell bay), and your version is color corrected very closely to Harmy's. 

Looking forward to the full version, so I can fuel my Star Wars editing addiction.

Just to the left of Luke's face, don't you see that almost horizontal thick grey line that is completely out of place? Each time I look at it I can't believe that it got through Lucasfilm QA onto the blu-ray.

As for progress on these Semi-Specialised Editions, i'm still waiting to receive certain sources I need for the 16gb release. I was also hoping to get more feedback/reviews on the new Star Wars Semi-Specialised Edition I just released here to be able to make any necessary changes/corrections but it looks like I could be waiting a while for that, so I'm taking a break from Star Wars/ESB/ROTJ and prioritising other releases like Mad Max 2 and The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. It could be a while before the larger Star Wars release you're waiting for comes out.