adding LFE to GOUT (Released) — Page 2

That all sounds perfectly sensible (and clear) - I'll be sure to give it a try! Hopefully my hardware and software will play ball when I try to record the multiple channels...

Oh, and I'd best try to lay my hands on the PCM versions to work from - if anyone knows of a current newspost/torrent/rapidshare link, please let me know!

I'll get set on uploading my PCM tracks as soon as I can.  That way anyone who wants to will be able to upmix them and/or convert to PAL speed as they see fit.  Just combine with the LFE-only flacs I posted earlier and you'll be all set.  :)

Thanks, HH - I'll look forward to getting my hands on those.

Quality wise, it certainly makes sense to work on the tracks at normal speed, then speed up for PAL. Indeed, if the video on the PAL GOUT has truly been converted from NTSC (which I've read on here, but don't know where that info came from originally), presumably the PAL sound was also just rate-squeezed from the NTSC master? Nasty...

As promised, here are the PCM tracks for the 3 movies.  NTSC speed, the proper amount of silence at the beginning to synchronise with the GOUT, hifi, ideal as a source for upmixing and conversion to PAL speed.  They have the same edits I mentioned earlier for the AC3 files--ie, no breaking glass sounds, Ben's music in Jedi, etc.  They are broken into several RARs because of the large file size; unrar-ing will result in FLAC files.

Star Wars:

part 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/itfina

part 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/gnbf1j

part 3: http://www.sendspace.com/file/9jtnuo

part 4: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ya3hxb

part 5: http://www.sendspace.com/file/rvfgb8

part 6: http://www.sendspace.com/file/31hskl

Empire:

part 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7r82og

part 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8wfiyr

part 3: http://www.sendspace.com/file/pt4l44

part 4: http://www.sendspace.com/file/n2kgq4

part 5: http://www.sendspace.com/file/rxjzqe

part 6: http://www.sendspace.com/file/x78fin

part 7: http://www.sendspace.com/file/g6c5bk

Jedi:

part 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tiv49t

part 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8r4atz

part 3: http://www.sendspace.com/file/bprgwj

part 4: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qt356m

part 5: http://www.sendspace.com/file/akul85

part 6: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dw0ab0

part 7: http://www.sendspace.com/file/khatw9

And to go along with these, the link for the LFE-only FLACs again: http://www.sendspace.com/file/70v75n

I'm not sure, when altering the speed for PAL playback, if it's better to do it analogue-style and let the pitch shift upwards, or keep it the same.  Probably depends a lot on the quality of what you use to change the speed.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable could chime in about that, along with what the best conversion tool to use would be.

deleted original post,it works,just had some glitches on my end LOL.

So are these files to be upmixed to a 5.1? I am not following what is intended.

Thank for these by the way,I am grabbing all.

That's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure before just saying it outright.

dark_jedi:  earlier I had posted the AC3 files that I've been using, which are 448k versions with special edition lfe added in.  The 2.1 channel format I used is unusual and apparently doesn't play nicely with some setups, plus some folks wanted to use these in PAL-land, so I posted the source pcms so that anyone who wanted to could make their own version.  Having the original stereo source and putting it through a Prologic 2 or similar upmixing algorithm, and then adding the bass, to get a 5.1 channel format, will work better for those who don't have a receiver that will properly upmix a 2.1 track and keep the bass intact, or whatever other issues there might be.  I tried to create a 5.1 version myself but have been having trouble getting such schemes to work on my computer.  Hence the pcm.  ;)

I've done some initial tests on rerouting the surround channels to 5.1 (as prescribed by Adywan) and it seems to be working! It's probably worth stressing that it won't (and indeed shouldn't) sound different to the DD2.0 surround version, except for the added LFE - I'm not enough of an expert on the nuances of the original to tell for sure (and my surround system is hardly cutting-edge) so once I've done some preliminary encodes I'll pop them up for folks to sample.

hairy_hen said:

That's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure before just saying it outright.

 

dark_jedi:  earlier I had posted the AC3 files that I've been using, which are 448k versions with special edition lfe added in.  The 2.1 channel format I used is unusual and apparently doesn't play nicely with some setups, plus some folks wanted to use these in PAL-land, so I posted the source pcms so that anyone who wanted to could make their own version.  Having the original stereo source and putting it through a Prologic 2 or similar upmixing algorithm, and then adding the bass, to get a 5.1 channel format, will work better for those who don't have a receiver that will properly upmix a 2.1 track and keep the bass intact, or whatever other issues there might be.  I tried to create a 5.1 version myself but have been having trouble getting such schemes to work on my computer.  Hence the pcm.  ;)

Thank you very much for the explanation,I am grabbing your ac3 files now,so did anyone make a 5.1 mix? and if so,how does it sound? and is there links to it?

Thanks again

I fooled around with the 5.1 mix a little, but I ran into a pretty major obstacle - I don't have the NTSC GOUT to sync it to, only the PAL, and none of the speed conversions I've tried on video or audio are entirely successful (I suspect the NTSC and PAL versions don't have exactly the same content frame-wise).

Does anyone know a good place to get the R1s in the UK?

Jonno said:

I fooled around with the 5.1 mix a little, but I ran into a pretty major obstacle - I don't have the NTSC GOUT to sync it to, only the PAL, and none of the speed conversions I've tried on video or audio are entirely successful (I suspect the NTSC and PAL versions don't have exactly the same content frame-wise).

Does anyone know a good place to get the R1s in the UK?

can you upload your NTSC version? and did you make 5.1 versions for all 3 films or just Star Wars?
I am using G-Forces script to do all 3 of the films up but would love to add the 5.1 mix to the 3.

If you don't want to upload,exactly how did you make them,maybe I can just recreate what you did and make my own.

I'm afraid I didn't actually complete any mixing - I just started testing the process as outlined by Ady in post 26.

The capturing of the separate channels (via WinDVD and Sound Forge) seemed to work well, but when I tried syncing the mix to a PAL > NTSC converted GOUT video, it just didn't marry up properly.

Once I've laid my hands on an NTSC GOUT I should be able to do a little better!

page 26? there are only 2 pages here LOL,you must speak of a different thread.

dark_jedi said:

page 26? there are only 2 pages here LOL,you must speak of a different thread.

POST 26!  :-D

Moth3r said:

Jonno said:

... (I suspect the NTSC and PAL versions don't have exactly the same content frame-wise).

I can confirm that the NTSC and the PAL GOUT do have exactly the same frame count.

 

Ah. Christ knows what I'm doing wrong then!

I've been doing the matching by eye/ear - do you happen to know what the precise speed up / slow down ratio I need to employ is?

My bad you said post,not page,sorry dude.

I will read it now.

satanika said:

As I indicated in an earlier post I can do several types of upmixes, but currently lack the hardware to test them out.. I'm willing to post some samples if there are some who are interested in giving it a listen and giving some feedback, then I could post 5.1 ac3 and dts upmixes for all 3 movies.
There might be minor differences in the upmix algorithms so I'd like for someone to select the 'best' one, instead of just choosing one arbitrarily.

if you want to upload all 3 movies I will try them out,I just finished the video for ANH and ROTJ,about to finish up ESB now.

sure would like to add these in if I can.