What's Your Favorite Version of the Krayt Dragon Call? — Page 2

TV's Frink said:

georgec said:

This is my favorite version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsipO_x3naA

Who is that Michael Jackson impersonator?

A young Billy Dee Williams.

Anchorhead said:

EyeShotFirst said:

...further proves that George Lucas wants to screw with us. It's almost like he's cramming in shit, because he knows it will rattle our cage, and the fanboys will lap it up like a kitten on a tit.

I'm not usually a conspiracy type of guy, but that's been my thought on the more ridiculous changes for a while now.  Lucas has been a control freak with a colossal ego for years. 

The moment someone says he shouldn't do something - whether it be peers or fans - he makes it a priority to do it.  The NOOOOOO, the new dragon call, etc -  the more the fan base gets upset, the more he shows them who's boss.  At this point in the history of the franchise, to me, it's the only logical explanation.

I don't believe these kind of things is done to give fans the middle finger, just take a look at what was done to the trilogy in '97, most of those alterations are amazingly stupid and bad and hurt the films far more than any later alterations have done and those changes we saw in that re-release could never have been done to say fuck you fans. Take a look at the poor filmmaking in the prequel trilogy, it's all quite reminiscent of what we're seeing in the further degradation of the classic trilogy in 2004/11.

All these products has made a huge amount of money despite all this, and the money it makes is everything that Lucasfilm see, the 3D release is the next step in whoring this old franchise. I think that Lucas is just a lazy old man that have lost every sensibility of good filmmaking and have found the joy of playing around like a kid with these old creations of his and see what he can come up with and do next with his new digital tools, instead of creating something new, and in the process he also makes enormous amount of money on it. He do what he likes and people are buying it, couldn't be a better situation for him.

The original. There was no need to change it.

Anchorhead said:

msycamore said:

I don't believe these kind of things is done to give fans the middle finger, just take a look at what was done to the trilogy in '97...

No doubt some of those alterations were nothing more than terrible decisions and a clear lack of understanding what made the films special to people over the years.  And I agree that he's been profit-first, art-second since about 1980.

However, The NOOO in the 6th film has been ridiculed so thoroughly, that I honestly believe adding it to the Original Trilogy was a finger to the fans who made fun of it. 

Just as I think his designing & selling the T-shirts that say Han Shot First were also a big "fuck you" to anyone who dared question his altering of the cantina scene - the very scene that established Han as a character.

 

Yeah, it may be a little bit of both and I can agree on the Han Shot First T-shirt, but it's just that I have a hard time to separate the latest kind of alterations with anything that was made as early as '97, to me they're just the same kind of ridiculous alterations, IMO the altered Han and Greedo confrontation or added scream of Luke when he let himself go down the shaft in Cloud City after his confrontation with Vader is on the same level as the added Vader scream/dialogue, just to mention a few.

If some of these latest things really are done in some twisted way to upset a small group of fans, it is not only extremely childish but a very weird move, most of us would not even be the target of such an action, he is only hurting himself that way, we're only interested in the original films and in that "fuck you department" he have already succeeded. ;) Personally I don't give a damn what is done to his Special Editions, and I'm sure you don't care either.

You may be right, but to me the kind of filmmaking we see in the '97SE, Prequel Trilogy, DVD edits and Blu-ray edits is too consistent from ideas to decisions and execution to be such a thing. I could even bring up the 2004 edit of THX 1138. Anyway, it's a fascinating subject, deliberate fuck you or not.

msycamore said:

Anchorhead said:

No doubt some of those alterations were nothing more than terrible decisions and a clear lack of understanding what made the films special to people over the years. 

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However, The NOOO in the 6th film has been ridiculed so thoroughly, that I honestly believe adding it to the Original Trilogy was a finger to the fans who made fun of it. 

Just as I think his designing & selling the T-shirts that say Han Shot First were also a big "fuck you" to anyone who dared question his altering of the cantina scene - 

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If some of these latest things really are done in some twisted way to upset a small group of fans, it is not only extremely childish but a very weird move, most of us would not even be the target of such an action, he is only hurting himself that way, we're only interested in the original films and in that "fuck you department" he have already succeeded. ;)

 

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 Its a combination of all three: incompetant filmmaking, playing with toys and doing things to spite people.

I laugh whenever I hear someone say 'lucas isn't all about money otherwise he would have released the OOT'.  no - lucas does care about money first and foremost, thats why he is in the franchise business and has made only 2 non SW/IJ films in 20 years. 

given 2 options - 1) sell a million blurays and irritate a fan base or 2) sell 1.2 million blu rays and satisfy everyone, lucas will take the former because he absolutely does get off on annoying people as long as he doesn't kill his cash cow. 

If the Blu-rays completely bombed and overwhelming feedback pointed to the exclusion of the OOT, he would have released it.  

Im tired of apologists saying 'lucas doesn't give a shit how fans feel, he is following his artistic instincts'.  he sure does care about how we feel and react- that 'noooo' was done with the intention of offending fans.  However, 30 years ago up until 1999 he made damn sure it was communicated to the public that he cared about story and characters more than CGI because thats what we wanted to hear.  Lucas knew if people discovered the truth about the fraudulance of the PT and how box office/merchandising revenue was absolute priority, we would have been thoroughly appalled. 

its funny you mention childishness-

•  When lucas first started to play the artist-card to justify the complete lack of fundamental filmmaking in TPM, i heard people say he was being childish. 
• When he released the OOT in non-anamorphic and gave that disgusting MTV interview, again I heard people say he was being childish. 
• During Episode III, I read a fan say lucas makes movies like a kid in 3rd grade that doesn't want to do his homework and makes excuses. IOW, 'childish'.

lol, i think its time we acknowledge lucas has a few, ahem, character defects.  childishness is one.  laziness is another.  so is pathological dishonesty. 

anyway, to get back on topic - the original call.  and not just because its original.  I thought it truly was intimidating.  and it goes better with the music.  the latest call (if the youtube video is correct) is laughable and just  lucas and co playing with his toys.

walking_carpet said:

• When he released the OOT in non-anamorphic and gave that disgusting MTV interview, again I heard people say he was being childish. 

 

Can you refresh my memory on the MTV interview? What did he say? Got a link?

lpd said:

Before I new it was supposed to be a krayt dragon call ....I thought the sandpeople knew of Kenobi and were scared of him.

.....the appearance of Kenobi scaring them away, as a kid, always made more sense to me than the noise scaring them.

I'm with you all the way! Honestly, I'd prefer it if instead of an animal noise he was just shouting and yelling and waving his arms. Would back up his line "They're easily startled, but they'll soon be back."

However, the original noise is perfectly fine and, like everything else, never needed to be changed. The new one is just embarrassing.

^ That is the ONE reason why out of the three I prefer the new sound. Because the new sound, (which I will concede is horrible), sounds as if a human could have made it, and leads you to believe that Ben did more than scare them by just walking up.

Until I joined these boards, I never even knew the sound was what scared off the Sandpeople.

The fact that the original sounded like a cross between an animal and a dramatic piece of the soundtrack doesn't help. It was an ineffective effect, because the common viewer didn't even realize the intention of it.