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What we like about the Prequels — Page 11

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Ryan McAvoy said:

 

If Hayden had a good director, or Lucas hired somebody who had enough chops to just ignore him, then it might have been different. What we got was the blind leading the blind.

 Then why is Hayden terrible in most other roles that he plays?  I understand what you're saying as Lucas did him no help, but the worst performances in a SW movies usually come from the worst actors.

Now I am not saying that McGregor, Neeson or McDiarmod gave Oscar Worth performances, but they were 'good' performances in context of Star Wars movie.

Let's take other actors from Hayden's age group from that time period, and I guarantee they would have done a better job.  I look at an actor like Eric Bana (he was a bit older at the time then Hayden), but I think he would have been a much better Anakin despite Lucas's directing skills.

I am not even a Prequel Defender, as I have alot of other issues then the acting in the PT.  But I have seen Hayden Christensen in other roles, and he is a crummy actor (like most of young Hollywood these days) who made it because of his looks. 

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CO said:

I look at an actor like Eric Bana (he was a bit older at the time then Hayden)

 A bit older! He's just old enough to be Hayden's dad... and btw they still have the same age gap. He's still older, that doesn't change you know ;-)

I'm not saying Hayden is De Niro or anything but look at Natalie Portman. She's has quite a low-to-modest talent but thanks to working with some of the best Directors in the business, right from her first role, she's put in a few decent turns over the years.

Also I thought Hayden was good in the scenes he shared with Ewan on set. Sadly there are very few of them in the finished movies. Acting is reacting as they say, and Ewan must be better to react to, than a green wall.

At the time I thought Ryan Phillipe would have been a better choice. He had similar looks (If that was what George was after), had a good range from nice to full on evil and had 2 or 3 starring roles already (The experience).

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I've been playing the  OST obsessively for the last year of so. Songs like Battle of the Heroes, Palpatine's Teachings, Anakin's betrayal, are calming and paint a picture of Anakin's conflict much better than Hayden's wooden performance in ROTS. In terms of ROTS my favorite scene in the movie was Operation Knightfall, when a Young Vader goes in the Jed temple and lays waste to those sanctimonious fools. 

The novelization to the film was farrr better than the film, from he description of Anakin's conflict to the extended description of how Mace was able to fight the Emperor while Tiin, Fisto, and Kolar got oneshot.

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I love the extended/expanded Phantom Menace soundtrack. Most of the PT soundtracks are great though, but that's Williams.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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I still like Revenge of the Sith. It's still not great - I've often described it as the least-worst of the prequel trilogy - but the script does what it can with the mess that I and II left it.

There are, of course, some weird moments (Emperor Palpatine: "Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... [walks over to novelty toy dispensing machine, inserts quarters, turns the crank, retrieves the plastic egg, opens it and reads the name inside] ...Vader.") and some stuff that doesn't work, but generally I still think of it as a strong movie, despite its flaws. I'd actually rank it slightly higher than Return of the Jedi, but I acknowledge that's not strictly speaking a popular opinion.

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Deadly Robots said:

I'd actually rank [ROTS] slightly higher than Return of the Jedi

 

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Thanks to SilverWook, I own almost everything Hayden is in.  He's not a good actor, period.

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Aw, come on! He was good in Shattered Glass, and Awake.

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Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Aw, come on! He was good in Shattered Glass, and Awake.

 I would say he was adequate in both.

FWIW, I 'd say his best performance was in Life as a House.

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Deadly Robots said:

 (Emperor Palpatine: "Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... [walks over to novelty toy dispensing machine, inserts quarters, turns the crank, retrieves the plastic egg, opens it and reads the name inside] ...Vader.")

 I think of Animal House when Belushi is naming the new frat guys:

Belushi:  And your name is......Flounder!

Kent Dorfman:  Why?

Belushi: (Burps) Why NOT!

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I have to say I like that the Pau'ans -- despite having pale skin, razor-sharp teeth, soulless shark eyes, and all-red clothing -- aren't villains.

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Clone trooper armor. I think it looks better than the Stormtrooper's. 

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Best thing about the prequels might just be George finishing (To a greater or lesser degree) the Sound and VisFX for the deleted scenes. I wish all big CGI event movies would do this for their deleted scenes. In fact the extras packages on the original PT DVDs were excellent.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Sadly Hayden didn't have the experience to cope without a good director to nudge him the right directions performance wise. The rest of the cast coped better to varing degrees on their own, depending on their experience. Tellingly the old pros managed to cope the best.

If Hayden had a good director, or Lucas hired somebody who had enough chops to just ignore him, then it might have been different. What we got was the blind leading the blind.

Quite false I would say. The directing was the least of a problem with PT. The first and foremost problem was the script. If the character is written as an unlikeable jerk (i.e. Anakin) or has laughable dialogue (i.e. Anakin and Padme) then the director and actor cannot do much about it within the limits of their job.

The simple reason why other actors seemed to have fared batter is that thier characters were better written or at least had some attractive characteristics (for example Obi-Wan and Palpatine).

When it comes to Lucas, his primary weakness is and has always been dialogue writing. I wouldn't say he a great actor director but judging from his first 3 films, he isn't a bad one either.

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My apologies, but I thought this forum was about "What we like about the Prequels."

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G E Predator said:

My apologies, but I thought this forum was about "What we like about the Prequels."

I am sorry. I guess we ran out of "What we like about the Prequels".

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imperialscum said:

G E Predator said:

My apologies, but I thought this forum was about "What we like about the Prequels."

I am sorry. I guess we ran out of "What we like about the Prequels".

 What about the blooper reels?

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I lurk here at OT.com from time to time but rarely post. Anyway, when I saw this thread, my first thought was simply "the prequels are terrible". Then I thought about it and realized that I haven't actually *watched* the prequels in probably around seven years. So I've gone ahead and started rewatching them, all from the official Blu-rays, starting with TPM.

Something that surprised me was that there were actually moments when TPM seemed half-decent. Unfortunately, it would never be very long before something happened that made me cringe/facepalm.

Anyway, on to what I actually liked, since that's what this thread is supposed to be about:


Liam Neeson. I thought he was perfect as Qui-Gon Jinn, and his character seemed like the kind of experienced Jedi I'd expect to see. Qui-Gon seems like the kind of person who would be a great mentor, and I feel like he has a lot of personality.

Ian McDiarmid. I thought his performance was great, despite working with poor material. He does a great job of portraying a slimy, manipulative bastard, perfect for his character here.

The visual designs of various locations, specifically Theed City, Gunga City, and Coruscant. A lot of effort was obviously put into the design of these places, and I think it really paid off. They look fantastical and alien, and certainly not out-of-place in a Star Wars movie.

The duel with Darth Maul. This was very well-choreographed and seemed pretty believable for the most part. The part with the force fields was an especially nice touch, and I liked how Qui-Gon reacted to being cut off from his enemy by just calmly sitting down. That's exactly the way I would expect to see a well-trained Jedi react.

The scene where the droids come out of the vehicles, activate, and march on the Gungans. Seems like an efficient way of transporting battle droids, and like something an evil force might actually do.

The soundtrack. As usual, John Williams did a great job here. One of the tracks that particularly stands out in my mind is "Duel of the Fates", which is absolutely perfect for the Darth Maul fight. It builds tension and adds a sense of grandeur to the scene. Another one is the Naboo victory song, which I can't seem to get out of my head.

Watto. I can't say I'm a big fan of Watto or anything, but I feel like he's worth mentioning as a CGI character who actually works. The CGI isn't in-your-face, and his personality seems perfectly in-place. To put it simply, I think CGI characters who could just as easily be human are the best kind, because they blend in naturally with the scene rather than sticking out like a sore thumb.


Next up, AOTC. Expect a report tomorrow after I watch it.

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The EU surrounding the Prequels is actually pretty decent compared to the EU post ROTJ.

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I liked that they at least attempted to flush out other worlds in the SW universe. I would love to see Korriban, Onderon, Lehon, Dxun, Ziost, or a lesser known world just on the big screen, but with less CGI and more human interaction as opposed to Shot-reverse-shot.