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What was done for the 1995 THX mastering?

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Just curious-does anyone know what exactly was done for the 1995 "one last time" faces THX set on VHS and laserdisc? I have the fullscreen tapes of this, and they seems better than the 93 set.

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The "Faces" LDs and VHS tapes from 1995 are from the same master as the Definitive Collection LD set from '93, and the same master (except for the original scroll on SW) was used for the '06 GOUT DVDs.

(The '93 VHS set in the Hologram box were sourced from a previous master - different soundtrack, too).

Aside from new telecine transfers, they used a 'dirt concealment' technique on the Faces/DC releases, which actually caused some unfortunate smearing and artifacts.

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Mielr said:

The "Faces" LDs and VHS tapes from 1995 are from the same master as the Definitive Collection LD set from '93, and the same master (except for the original scroll on SW) was used for the '06 GOUT DVDs.

(The '93 VHS set in the Hologram box were sourced from a previous master - different soundtrack, too).

Aside from new telecine transfers, they used a 'dirt concealment' technique on the Faces/DC releases, which actually caused some unfortunate smearing and artifacts.

 

Anyone have a few shots of the 1993 Hologram set?  I'd like to know what I'm looking for and I don't think I've seen it.

 

Thanks kindly,

Shawn

 

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But they used the same 1985 Interpositive right? Which I am still  confused about. That IP was created and used once in 1985 for home video, once again in 1993, and scanned for the special edition. So what is the big deal using it again for a decent dvd? Why would it be any more difficult than any other catalog title from 1985? If Star Wars was a minor 70s cult film wouldn't there be a press release like "Good news fans! We have located an IP from 1985 that was only used 3 times! Throw away your bootlegs!!"

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It wouldn't be a big deal, Lucasfilm just uses that as an excuse. There would probably need to be some significant color correction done since it is probably faded quite a bit by now, but yeah, the 1985 IP is just one of many sources that are viable for a new, high-def release.

As for the original question, the 1995 THX release is the same print used for most other home video releases (all of them?), the reason it looks better was because the telecine was optimized by THX standards and it was the first time the films had been mastered digitally. As a result the films are crisper and cleaner and have better color and sound quality than the previous releases.

Does anyone know if it was the same master from the 1993 DE just re-mastered and re-transfered, or was it a whole new telecine from scratch? The DE had the ghosting issues from the dirt concealment, but is this on the THX sets as well? If not, my question is why LFL used the 1993 version for the GOUT, since there was a HQ master made for Laserdisk for the 1995 set as well.

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The last time I looked at my 95 THX VHS sets (Letterbox and Pan/Scan) the ghosting was still there. I think they just mastered whatever the 93's were sourced from.

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Hm. So either they used the same technique and hence have the same problem, or it was the transfer to the tapes/disks that was THX supervised, not the actual master--but does that even work that way? I thought "mastered in THX" applies to the master, not the transfering process. If its the same as the DE, then a new master would have to be a copy of the DE master (which was a D1 tape, I believe), making it a generation removed.  Does this even make any sense? Something seems missing here.

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That's what I've always wondered. The THX95 versions always seemed somewhat superior to the 93 editions but it may just be a marginal difference. Some have claimed that there is no difference at all. Who knows?

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You know I vaguely remember a friend saying his faces tapes were more "colorful" than he'd ever seen the movies. Did they just...jack up the color when they were making the pan and scan version of the '93 source? (Since VHS was 99% of the thrust of that faces campaign and all the other tapes from '85 on were just repackagings? And the 93 definitive collection laserdisc has the THX logo on it if that means anything?) Plus, I feel like laserdiscs are just aging weird when looking at them now.

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Does anyone know if it was the same master from the 1993 DE just re-mastered and re-transfered, or was it a whole new telecine from scratch? The DE had the ghosting issues from the dirt concealment, but is this on the THX sets as well? If not, my question is why LFL used the 1993 version for the GOUT, since there was a HQ master made for Laserdisk for the 1995 set as well.

What is the 1993 DE? Are you referring to the 1993 Definitive Collection THX laserdisc boxed set?

If so, there are some excerpts from an interview with Dave Schnuelle here that describe the film elements used. (There is another post on the forum somewhere with extracts from the same interview but from an audio perspective).

I believe the '95 "Faces" THX laserdiscs are from the same master as the '93 DC. The equivalent '95 PAL THX laserdiscs, released in France and Germany, are however a different telecine as evidenced by fewer dirt spots, the burn marks in the Tantive corridor shot, and the different - zoomed in - framing of some shots. The smearing from dirt concealment/DVNR is still present, though.

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Were the THX versions really the first time they had been mastered digitally? Because it says on the bottom of the old vhs tapes on the back even from the 80's "Digitally Mastered."

Someone here mentioned Digitally Mastered doesn't mean anything these days. I used to think it was special, then I noticed how it was on a lot of old vhs tapes so it's like having a movie with color and sound these days.

What I still don't get is for the One Last Time release, why use the same transfer made 2 years ago? Before any alterations could be made, they had to completely restore the original films. Why wasn't  a new THX master struck from those versions without any changes and used for a new restored transfer?

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You might be right about the digital mastering--now that I think about it, my 1993 VHS says "digitally mastered" on the side, I am pretty sure. I guess it's really just the THX process that makes it unique. Personally, though, the films looked sharper and cleaner, especially where dirt and grain were concerned. This could just be tricks in the telecine, I suppose.

As for why they didn't use a restored OOT built for the SE, the restored version of Star Wars wasn't quite so step-by-step. It wasn't like they restored the whole film from start to finish and then did the enhancements. The enhancements were being done at the same time the restoration was, as the pieces were ready, so there was never any moment where there was a full film of restored footage, it was always a piece here, a piece there. ESB and ROTJ were not even part of the plan in 1995, those SE's were only decided only around 1996, so the restoration of those was done after the THX videos were already on shelves.

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captainsolo said:

That's what I've always wondered. The THX95 versions always seemed somewhat superior to the 93 editions but it may just be a marginal difference. Some have claimed that there is no difference at all. Who knows?

I remember reading a review that compared both the Definitive Collection and Faces LD's of the trilogy just before the "GOUT-release", and according to that review, some of the worst DVNR artifacts on the DC set were fixed for the Faces release, It pointed out that, Luke's training with the remote aboard the Millennium Falcon in STAR WARS was badly affected from the digital noise reduction on the Definitive Collection and corrected for the Faces release, I don't know if it's true or not, maybe it was referring to the first press of the DC as it has many documented problems.

One really weird glitch is on every THX95 PAL-VHS I've seen of The Empire Strikes Back, in the chase through the asteroid field every TIE Fighter's laser blasts is suddenly blue instead of green, is it like that on the PAL LD's?

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