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What is Luke's goal in ROTJ? — Page 2

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I disagree: Vader killed the Emperor and his sacrifice actually made him turn BACK from the darkside :D

If the Jedi use the Force for defence, why couldn't Luke defend himself? He might have turned to the darkside only had he acted in anger (as the Emperor said).

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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John Doom said:

I disagree: Vader killed the Emperor and his sacrifice actually made him turn BACK from the darkside :D

If the Jedi use the Force for defence, why couldn't Luke defend himself? He might have turned to the darkside only had he acted in anger (as the Emperor said).

Well he almost fell to the dark side when he fought Vader. At least by doing what he did he actually saved the galaxy, as he triggered Anakin's return. If he did what you suggest he would either die a completely pointless death or worse, become Emperor's tool.

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Only Luke and Vader together were strong enough to defeat the emperor.

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In ANH we see Obi-Wan able to a limited degree survive death by an act of self sacrifice. Yoda too surrenders to death. Palpatine and Vader opt to extend their lives unnaturally either through Force manipulation or technology. So by letting go of his fear of death in order to save his son Vader is granted the boon of redemption (by the rules of the narrative).

He kills the Emperor, not to defend himself but to defend someone else in certain knowledge that he would not survive.

He couldn't do this without Luke staying his own hand via compassion.

At no point is this planned (unless Yoda was really referring to Anakin as the other hope and he has been building up attachment to his father in total contravention to PT era Jedi codes).

Luke's intention seems to be to rescue his father or die trying.

Vaders intention is to bring Luke into his sphere of influence and kill and replace the Emperor.

The Emperor's intention is to get Luke to kill own Father and be so screwed up by the experience he would have to replace Vader once his friends and the rebels are seen to die.

Ben's intention is that Luke will weaken the Emperor by removing Vader and keep the Emperor busy enough to not notice the station exploding.

Yoda's intention is to get Luke to face his fear, see what Vader has become and not become it. I suspect he could see what would happen next but didn't want to jinx it.

The PT versions of these characters only partially follow this pattern.

PT Yoda has written Anakin off from the moment he met him.

PT Obi-Wan spends the duration of his training of Anakin constantly putting him down or not defending him during every carefully staged moment of humiliation.

PT Sidpatine really has the hots for Anakin.

PT Anidar Doesn't accept refusal or rejection, Loves killing kids and wants to kill all his bosses.

The PT is very weirdly drawn and should have been directed by David Lynch.

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This is why Star Wars is one of the most cursed franchises in the history of civilization. We'd be all better off if it never existed in the first place, and you'll all be on my side when Episode IX is released.

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Everyone (except Bingowings) seem to forget that the Death Star was about to blow up.
The entire trilogy is Luke’s “spiritual” journey, and growth as a character. He had to throw his lightsaber away, or else, as many have already pointed out, he would have eventually have been defeated like Anain did year before and turn to the dark side. Being a Jedi isn’t just about killing the bad guys, it’s about a personal spiritual journey, and Luke fulfills that and becomes a Jedi when he “morally” defeats the Emperor. As for the actual literal defeating of the Emperor, well, again the Death Star is literally minutes from blowing up.
(So both goals are being accomplished here.)
Of course Vader eventually does kill Palpatine, but that was to save Luke in the literal sense and himself in the more abstract sense. It makes sense in Vader story arc, and it makes for a more satisfying end than all three of them just blowing up with the Death Star.

All of this is slightly weird if you think about it too hard, but that’s to be expected with a franchise as popular as Star Wars 30 years after it’s release. We must keep in mind that it is after all a film, and a film needs an interesting set of character developments and twists. As long as this doesn’t directly contradict the lore and common sense, but exaggerates it slightly for narrative purposes, then I’d say it’s done a good job at being a good film.

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