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kyberangel said:

TFA was how i fell in love with star wars. i know a lot of older fans like to rag on TFA for being “too similar” to ANH but it’s the movie that made me, a then-15 year old girl truly see why people adored star wars. it was pure fun, with likeable and charaismatic characters you enjoyed seeing and left wanting more of and action that made me breathless. i ADORED the new trio especially. finn and poe’s instant comraderie & finn and rey’s sweet friendship were both lovely, fresh dynamics for our main cast. and i know people aren’t fond of rey, but i loved her quietly stunborn, scrappy additude and slight naivate. TFA is the movie that truly kickstarted my star wars obsession. its not a perfect movie narratively, and its definitely obvious they had no plan at all but its everything people like about star wars distilled into a movie, made with love.

i hated TLJ at first but grew to appreciate it more upon rewatch, though i still view it as an insanely mixed bag. its highs were astronomically high and its lows were so, so low. let me say the good things first; TLJ is the first star wars movie with clear thematic storytelling and metacommentary on the nature of heroes, failure, the force and the place of the jedi. i like how johnson wanted to challenge what our idea of a star wars movie is. its also the first (and so far only) star wars movie with a hyper-distinctive visual style. i appreciate how the shots are a bit more artistic than what we usually see in action blockbusters. rey’s parents being nobodies was an inspired narrative foil to luke’s own parentage reveal in ESB. luke’s arc was truly special and him dying as the noble, selfless hero we know him to be was deeply moving. onto the bad side of things; i got the sense that rian johnson knew exactly what kind of story he wanted to tell with rey/luke/kylo, but had no clue what to do with finn, poe or even poor rose. the canto bite subplot brutally misunderstands finn and poe’s characters, and does the strength of the trio a major disservice by seperating the two of them instead of building on their relationship. rose was nonsensical as a love interest for finn, he would have legitimately been better off with either rey or poe if he needed a romance. this subplot was TLJ’s biggest mistake, as 2/3s of our main trio have either has their development regressed (finn) or personalities changed altogether (poe). their plotline actively brings the whole movie down, which is even more egregious since they are two of our main leads and should be of EQUAL IMPORTANCE to rey. in the end TLJ is just frustrating to me because its effectively half of a phenomenal movie that led and half of a movie i just cannot stand.

ROS makes me angry, but also sad. sad because it truly felt like an entirely soulless, corporate movie in a way the others never did. i can’t even be mad at jj abrams because according to the cast and crew, most of the disliked changes came from disney executives and abrams had no real power on the creative decisions being made. the only good things i can think of in this movie are that we get to see the main trio finally interact as a unit, and their exchanges are charming as usual. if i listed what i disliked i’d be here all day. its so obvious this movie was just made to appease the biggest amount of people so they could make money. there wasn’t any love there anymore, and you could tell the actors were deeply saddened about the way things went. ROS reversed everything good TFA and TLJ did to give us a truly forgettable finale that actively hurt both the sequel trilogy and public interest in star wars.

in the end, the sequel trilogy is missed potential for me. even a middling series can be good if it sticks the landing, but something about ROS just makes everything else in the trilogy ring hollow. its just depressing to think about

That is an excellent articulation, kyberangel! It’s also nice to see love for TFA here, since for many people it truly did serve as a great introduction to the series, something older fans such as myself can forget. That just makes the end of the trilogy all the more soul-crushing. The new generation of Star Wars fans deserved to get a ROTJ or a ROTS instead of the mean-spirited waste that was TROS.

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TFA was a fine movie. Of all 3 films, it had the least flaws. That isn’t to say it was perfect (Rey winning the final fight was a huge mistake) but it still did its job well:set up the rest of the movies.

Then Rian decided to ignore almost everything it set up for his own interpretation of his own Star Wars universe, and, well, the balance was lost. ROS was just the crash that started with TLJ.

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thebluefrog said:

TFA was a fine movie. Of all 3 films, it had the least flaws. That isn’t to say it was perfect (Rey winning the final fight was a huge mistake) but it still did its job well:set up the rest of the movies.

Then Rian decided to ignore almost everything it set up for his own interpretation of his own Star Wars universe, and, well, the balance was lost. ROS was just the crash that started with TLJ.

I actually think it started with The Force Awakens as it actively ignores the full contexts of the previous six films in favour of playing to what fans expect to see instead of exploring new ideas and letting characters we know grow in a meaningful way that respects them as people. It went for what was familiar on the surface with the Original Trilogy without doing the neccessary work of understanding the contexts of the trilogy and even the Prequels. The whole movie is retro and staying in the past. The Last Jedi equally has its share of problems but I don’t pin them all on Rian. There are some things but he was really put in a bad spot of either continuing the trend of nostalgia or trying something bolder than what was given in the previous film. The problem is it tries new things without actually understanding context even slightly in key ways but a lot of that is from the poor setup. It’s equally on him not understanding the contexts on things such as the important issue of Luke seeing Anakin as Anakin and not as Darth Vader or why Luke wouldn’t contemplate killing Ben even on instincts. It regresses his growth from Return of the Jedi from a very similar moment that was key to his character development. The Rise of Skywalker on the other just feels like everyone gave up and didn’t care anymore. They just needed an Episode IX to exist and that’s what they made.

It’s sad to see this is what Star Wars has come to. I can definitely see why some fans and newbies alike would love The Force Awakens though. Like George said it’s very much the film certain fans were looking for after the Prequels and equally from a newbies standpoint it has very likeable characters that mask the clear retread of A New Hope. They may never have seen it anyways. So they wouldn’t know until they went back and watched the previous six. In the long run though running away from your story causes more issues than solutions. That’s what ended up happening as they all had a different version of Star Wars than what it meant to George.

Now we’re stuck with a Palpatine being the last one standing and taking the Skywalker name to add to the thought as if it wasn’t enough that a Skywalker last says “Ow!” In the Skywalker Saga. This is very much the anti message of what Star Wars always meant in the first six films.

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yotsuya said:

Unlike a lot of people, I was very disappointed in TFA. It had two great points. Great character introductions and some really great scenes, but there really wasn’t much of a story there. People compare it to the 1977 original, but the original was a self contained story with a solid end. TFA felt incomplete and open ended. Especially when the tacked on Rey meeting Luke to the end. So I don’t consider it an echo of ANH in the slightest. It failed some basic film making tasks and for me it is the worst of the saga films.

I think the trilogy redeemed itself with TLJ and rose to the occasion with TROS. Those two films for me are the best saga films since ROTJ. For both of those films, I was glued to the screen and mesmerized in my first viewing. Not many films can do that so I consider them very well made.

With the way the saga developed, I can deal with TFA. It has flaws, but it is a solid introduction to the characters. It is like a prologue to the following 2 parter.

I agree that TFA is overrated and TLJ/TRoS are underrated (TLJ especially gets too much hate).

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kyberangel said:

TFA was how i fell in love with star wars.

I agree with NeverarGreat’s take on your post above, this was a well articulated read and put me in your shoes a new a new fan coming into Star Wars, and experiencing a whole new trilogy.

I hope you like fan edits and hope you can a version of TROS that may appeal to you. Hal9000’s TROS edit is very well liked, addresses many issues fans had with the conclusion of the Sequels, though there are many other TROS edits too. I appreciate it is not the same experience, but hope you can find a version of TROS you do like and serves a more fitting ending, a better resolution.

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NeverarGreat said:

That is an excellent articulation, kyberangel! It’s also nice to see love for TFA here, since for many people it truly did serve as a great introduction to the series, something older fans such as myself can forget. That just makes the end of the trilogy all the more soul-crushing. The new generation of Star Wars fans deserved to get a ROTJ or a ROTS instead of the mean-spirited waste that was TROS.

thank you so much NeverarGreat, i’m happy that i was able to get my (incredibly complicated) feelings across! newer fans tend to run in completely online different circles than you guys so i wanted to share my perspective a bit!

and you’re right on the money, it was soul-crushing because for me, these were my star wars movies. it made the way that TROS just… stopped caring about the story or characters that introduced me to it’s universe to begin with feel particularly devastating. mean-spirited is exactly the right word choice for that movie.

ending on a ROTS or ROTJ is the stuff of dreams, but i can only hope that maybe one day finn, rey and poe get the disney+ treatment and recieve a proper sendoff

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Emre1601 said:

I agree with NeverarGreat’s take on your post above, this was a well articulated read and put me in your shoes a new a new fan coming into Star Wars, and experiencing a whole new trilogy.

seriously thank y’all so much, i’m glad i was able to convey my perspective on the trilogy as a newer fan and have people understand where i’m coming from

I hope you like fan edits and hope you can a version of TROS that may appeal to you. Hal9000’s TROS edit is very well liked, addresses many issues fans had with the conclusion of the Sequels, though there are many other TROS edits too. I appreciate it is not the same experience, but hope you can find a version of TROS you do like and serves a more fitting ending, a better resolution.

i haven’t previously delved into fan edits but i was curious and have recently recieved the links to Hal9000’s edits. that it’s so well liked is exciting to hear, im really look forward to seeing what he did with TROS. and thank you, i hope so too!

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Kyberangel, I’d be interested to hear a little more about what you were hoping/expecting from Episode IX. Or what changes you wish you could make to the Episode IX we got.

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I’ll add my recognition of your interesting and well-written take, kyberangel. Refreshing to hear that perspective.

For me, it’s feasible for a fan edit to serve as an effective replacement for the films, and so some of the lows can be augmented or smoothed out.

That being said, TFA is indeed a fun romp that sets things up for more fun to come, almost acting as a trailer. I still don’t care for SKB, and I’d have little to complain about without it. If I could make one change, it’d be to depict the FO as a palpably small but fierce fringe group of terrorists that manage to get a fluke strike in that destroys the symbol of the New Republic. Maybe the new Senate building or something.
Or even if they have to blow up the whole planet, imply that it’s the full extent of their power and done outside of brute strength of resources. Bonus points if the factions don’t look and smell just like their OT predecessors.

TLJ, I agree, has the only real substance or message. It’s the one that actually has a little bit to say other than having a Spielberg-ian adventure. It felt a little self-important at points, and honestly did take some adjusting to given my own expectations. It’s got some meaning to it, and I appreciate it for that.

TROS knows it sucks and tries to BS it’s way through its presentation so it can just go sit back down. I feel TLJ set the stage for a wonderful Episode 9 that never got made. It dared the next one to do better, but they cowered in fear. They backed down from the challenge and talked passive-aggressive shit about it instead. It sucks that it sort of retroactively ruins what came before it, and feels especially poor when postured as the conclusion to Star Wars proper.

Star Wars Episode 9 (in particular) was never an art project, and the value was never in making something good. It desperately needed to be pushed back a year or two, but business couldn’t tolerate that. And I don’t think I should factor that in as a mitigating factor. After all, I don’t benefit from business decisions. If they sacrifice quality for business value, they get a win in the business department and lose my positive opinion. I don’t expect them to care, but it doesn’t mean I ought to extend the reverse to them. Even if it “had” to happen, deferring the release date it what should have happened for the movie’s own good as a work of art. “They had to do it that way, that’s just how things go.” Okay, well cool, I am glad those who benefit tangibly from that are pleased but I don’t see why I should be.

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thebluefrog said:

TFA was a fine movie. Of all 3 films, it had the least flaws. That isn’t to say it was perfect (Rey winning the final fight was a huge mistake) but it still did its job well:set up the rest of the movies.

Then Rian decided to ignore almost everything it set up for his own interpretation of his own Star Wars universe, and, well, the balance was lost. ROS was just the crash that started with TLJ.

I actually think it started with The Force Awakens as it actively ignores the full contexts of the previous six films in favour of playing to what fans expect to see instead of exploring new ideas and letting characters we know grow in a meaningful way that respects them as people. It went for what was familiar on the surface with the Original Trilogy without doing the neccessary work of understanding the contexts of the trilogy and even the Prequels. The whole movie is retro and staying in the past. The Last Jedi equally has its share of problems but I don’t pin them all on Rian. There are some things but he was really put in a bad spot of either continuing the trend of nostalgia or trying something bolder than what was given in the previous film. The problem is it tries new things with actually understanding context even slightly in key ways but a lot of that is from the poor setup. It’s equally on him not understanding of context on things such as the important issue of Luke seeing Anakin as Anakin and not as Darth Vader or why Luke wouldn’t contemplate killing Ben even on instincts. It regresses his growth from Return of the Jedi from a very similar moment that was key to his character development. The Rise of Skywalker on the other just feels like everyone gave up and didn’t care anymore. They just needed an Episode IX to exist and that’s what they made.

It’s sad to see this is what Star Wars has come to. I can definitely see why some fans and newbies alike would love The Force Awakens though. Like George said it’s very much the film certain fans were looking for after the Prequels and equally from a newbies standpoint it has very likeable characters that mask the clear retread of A New Hope. They may never have seen it anyways. So they wouldn’t know until they went back and watched the previous six. In the long run though running away from your story causes more issues than solutions. That’s what ended up happening as they all had a different version of Star Wars than what it meant to George.

Now we’re stuck with a Palpatine being the last one standing and taking the Skywalker name to add to the thought as if it wasn’t enough that a Skywalker last says “Ow!” In the Skywalker Saga. This is very much the anti message of what Star Wars always meant in the first six films.

In the end, the sequel trilogy was pointless. I don’t hate them, as they all have interesting moments and good qualities, but for the purposes of the continuation of the Star Wars narrative? No one cares. There’s a reason why none of the announced tv shows or movies are continuing the sequel era characters.

Nothing that happened in each film mattered to the next film.

TFA started on unstable ground–undoing ROTJ’s happy ending. Ok, that’s rough, but still not a disaster. There was still potential in the sequel trilogy from that shaky start. Maybe this Snoke guy and the First Order will be an interesting new take on the whole war.

Then TLJ ignored everything in TFA that Rian didn’t like. Snoke? Gone, pointless. Hux? Made into a joke at the start. Finn’s FO defection? Pointless and he was made even more of a joke than he was in TFA. Phasma’s cowardice in TFA? No, just a pointless reappearance to just die. Even the new characters in TLJ were pointless. Holdo? No one really cared that she sacrificed herself, because her character importance wasn’t earned. Rose? Why was the character even in the film? To kiss Finn after stopping him from killing himself? And then the entire casino planet subplot was pointless when it was undone by a character who was so badly written he didn’t have a name. The fact that the big, important, galaxy-changing rebellion was undone by a parking ticket was just embarrassing.

ROS continued the pattern-JJ tried desperately to undo the changes TLJ made from TFA, and he failed at that. Nothing that happened in TLJ mattered to ROS since it may as well have continued from TFA: The First Order still is in power, the rebels are on the run, Rey is a Jedi and Kylo is evil. Does it even matter who her parents are? Did Luke or Snoke dying matter? Does it matter if 3PO “dies” since he barely interacted with Rey and Finn and Poe? The new characters in ROS were just as empty as TLJ’s. Is anyone going to remember Pryde or Zorii? Reylo was probably the only interesting concept that would’ve made the sequel trilogy interesting (Rey’s romantic love brings the Skywalker line) but they didn’t even bother to try earning that, either.

Neither Rian or JJ was able to write a character arc that actually felt like it mattered. When both directors were spitefully undoing each other’s writing, no one cares about ANY character since the emotional investment isn’t earned. Holdo’s sacrifice was not an emotional moment since she was unlikable–and then Finn’s STOPPED sacrifice is just as unemotional since he does nothing else to the plot. Rey beat Kylo in 7, then she beat Kylo in 8, and then beat Kylo again in 9. That’s not how a hero’s arc grows, and also reduces the audience’s investment in the villain’s role since he wasn’t a threat. The characters don’t grow, they get rewritten by someone different each time.

That’s why I say the sequel trilogy was pointless. In the end, none of the characters mattered. Other than Kylo and possibly Rey, in 10 years people will have forgotten the sequel characters.

And that’s the real tragedy.

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That’s why I say the sequel trilogy was pointless. In the end, none of the characters mattered. Other than Kylo and possibly Rey, in 10 years people will have forgotten the sequel characters.

And that’s the real tragedy.

That’s something that’s easy to lose sight of. I think we sometimes forget, because we’re often in a kind of fan culture “bubble,” but the casual audience of Star Wars is generally of a very different mindset.

Most casual viewers likely enjoyed the sequel trilogy, but that doesn’t say anything about a movie’s long-term staying power in the public consciousness. This may sound harsh, but the truth is, audiences will always remember Han Solo and Princess Leia and R2-D2. They’ll even remember smaller aspects of the OT like Jabba the Hutt and the Ewoks and Jawas. They’ll remember Hoth and Tatooine. Most of those people won’t remember D-0 or DJ or Maz Kanata or Ajjan Kloss. Hell, I know some people who couldn’t even distinguish Finn and Poe from each other by the time TRoS came out. Likely the only sequel character who will really stick out in public memory a long time from now will be Kylo Ren.

Of course, this definitely isn’t something exclusive to the sequels. A lot of prequel fans tend to overestimate how much the public remembers of those movies. When I mention the prequels to people, the most common recollection they have of the prequels is Jar Jar and Anakin being whiny. That’s the sort of thing that sticks out in most people’s minds years after.

I even know people who saw Rogue One and loved it, but they almost certainly wouldn’t be able to name any of the characters by now.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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thebluefrog said:
…in 10 years people will have forgotten the sequel characters.
And that’s the real tragedy.

Tragedy?
Natural disasters, genocide, terrorist attacks, global pandemics - those are tragedies. Fictional movies are entertainment. Star Wars isn’t a series of documentaries.
I’ve been waiting 40 years to see Star Wars the way I watched in the theater the summer of 1977. It’s unfortunate that I never will again, but it’s hardly a tragedy.

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Anchorhead said:

thebluefrog said:
…in 10 years people will have forgotten the sequel characters.
And that’s the real tragedy.

Tragedy?
Natural disasters, genocide, terrorist attacks, global pandemics - those are tragedies. Fictional movies are entertainment. Star Wars isn’t a series of documentaries.
I’ve been waiting 40 years to see Star Wars the way I watched in the theater the summer of 1977. It’s unfortunate that I never will again, but it’s hardly a tragedy.

A tragedy of visual storytelling…pretty sure it’s not meant to be compared to “real life” tragedies. And in that regard I also consider the ST a tragedy.

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The Sequel Trilogy definitely could have been worse if they listened to certain fans. I’m glad they didn’t have Kylo Ren just be someone who found a Sith Holocron and then declared themselves a “Sith” and I’m glad they didn’t continue from where the Expanded Universe left off.

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I’ve not weighed in on the ST because I only saw the first one. I’ll say this though, Star Wars would be MUCH better served if they would have gone with known and liked EU novels.

Add me to the list of people who thought JJ was a poor choice to launch the Disney film era. There are SO many respected and loved novels they could have brought to the silver screen. The weird choice to try and correct films from 20 years earlier really seems an odd direction to take the franchise. Particularly when a lot of fans didn’t think those films needed to be corrected.

Thrawn & Mara Jade would have been awesome and better choices of story lines to continue the franchise.

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Anchorhead said:

thebluefrog said:
…in 10 years people will have forgotten the sequel characters.
And that’s the real tragedy.

Tragedy?
Natural disasters, genocide, terrorist attacks, global pandemics - those are tragedies. Fictional movies are entertainment. Star Wars isn’t a series of documentaries.
I’ve been waiting 40 years to see Star Wars the way I watched in the theater the summer of 1977. It’s unfortunate that I never will again, but it’s hardly a tragedy.

Well, obviously, but this is a Star Wars forum talking about Star Wars, so context matters. That kind of reduction to absurdity makes any discussion pointless. Obviously there’s always worse things going on in the world when discussing ANY topic, but it’s kind of distasteful to inject that into the conversation–why discuss feeling strongly about anything if there’s always a bigger, more important issue? And vice versa, it’d be distasteful and tonedeaf to go onto a forum discussing current worldwide events and go “Yeah, but you know what’s a bigger tragedy? This other issue I feel more strongly about.”

I could go into every single forum discussing any media, be it Star Wars, Marvel, Final Fantasy, Lord of the Rings, etc., and say “Yeah, it’s great you are sad/mad about X, but you know what’s worse? The war where people died.”

I’d be technically correct in saying that, but would hardly foster conversation and honestly I’d come across tonedeaf and kind of rude.

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Thrawn & Mara Jade would have been awesome and better choices of story lines to continue the franchise.

Amen to that. If you have a huge back catalog of source material, as long as at least some of it is good, you might as well make use of it.

But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.

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Servii said:

That’s why I say the sequel trilogy was pointless. In the end, none of the characters mattered. Other than Kylo and possibly Rey, in 10 years people will have forgotten the sequel characters.

And that’s the real tragedy.

That’s something that’s easy to lose sight of. I think we sometimes forget, because we’re often in a kind of fan culture “bubble,” but the casual audience of Star Wars is generally of a very different mindset.

Most casual viewers likely enjoyed the sequel trilogy, but that doesn’t say anything about a movie’s long-term staying power in the public consciousness. This may sound harsh, but the truth is, audiences will always remember Han Solo and Princess Leia and R2-D2. They’ll even remember smaller aspects of the OT like Jabba the Hutt and the Ewoks and Jawas. They’ll remember Hoth and Tatooine. Most of those people won’t remember D-0 or DJ or Maz Kanata or Ajjan Kloss. Hell, I know some people who couldn’t even distinguish Finn and Poe from each other by the time TRoS came out. Likely the only sequel character who will really stick out in public memory a long time from now will be Kylo Ren.

Of course, this definitely isn’t something exclusive to the sequels. A lot of prequel fans tend to overestimate how much the public remembers of those movies. When I mention the prequels to people, the most common recollection they have of the prequels is Jar Jar and Anakin being whiny. That’s the sort of thing that sticks out in most people’s minds years after.

I even know people who saw Rogue One and loved it, but they almost certainly wouldn’t be able to name any of the characters by now.

Yes, that’s a good point about the prequels too. Lucas made a similar mistake with how undefined the characters were.

I’d say Palpatine will be remembered BECAUSE of his over-the-top cartoonishness at the end of Sith. That’s what Star Wars is; a live action cartoon.

Maybe Padme as well, but that’s because Portman is hot and famous and less because of the character.

The Obi-Wan tv series will be interesting to see if the public still cares about Anakin and Obi.

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thebluefrog said:
The Obi-Wan tv series will be interesting to see if the public still cares about Anakin and Obi.

I think that’s the most interesting test\biggest question (not sure how to word it) concerning the Obi-Wan series. How do people really feel about this sort of Prequel reconciliation that seems to be taking place within the Disney shows.

I think Disney hurt their fan base credibility with the Boba Fett series. Fett is a long time universally loved character with the fans. It should have been a slam-dunk and certainly looked to be from the first teaser. It was entirely different and as we’ve seen here, almost polarizing.

Obi-Wan could still be a great series, but it’s not a given anymore. Will be interesting for sure.

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If the Obi-Wan series doesn’t galvanize the public’s interest in Star Wars, then the other random future TV series that KK and Disney announced (Andor???) will be the final nail in the coffin.

Well, at least for another decade or two until they reboot things again.

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thebluefrog said:

If the Obi-Wan series doesn’t galvanize the public’s interest in Star Wars, then the other random future TV series that KK and Disney announced (Andor???) will be the final nail in the coffin.

Well, at least for another decade or two until they reboot things again.

The Obi-Wan series has a lot to juggle with keeping the OT and PT fans happy, and the fans of both trilogies. It will probably have to be a very ambitious series to tackle, appease and maybe even attempt to unify these fan groups. And also be a separate story on its own two feet.

The general public will probably be happy with anything Star Wars. Much of the public liked the Sequels going on ticket and home media sales. If Disney+ subscriptions are up, and the general public mood or buzz is good (outside of us fanboy nerds, and on the side of the coin of online fans, TFM) then they’ll happily continue. Other Star Wars film and series are already in development and nearing production, and Disney won’t probably stop the gravy train for a mishit show or two.

I agree there’ll likely be reboots anyway soon enough! Another 10 years and it will “Episode X: The Search For A Compelling Villain - Palpatine Has Returned Again!”

“The other Sequels were the result of an over-anxious press. The original intention was to make three [films], and that was really the end of it. It was not until 10 years after the first [film] that I thought of doing a back story.” - George Lucas, speaking at the Premiere of ROTS in 2005

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TFA was alright, if slightly rehash-y, TLJ just felt like a 2-hour car chase with small useless breaks and an attempt at the Battle of Hoth, TRoS was just Fanservice: The Movie and was so disjointed, I couldn’t tell what was going on half the time.

At least they tried.

I’m not really that much of a movie purist. I really should’ve thought my name out a bit more.

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This is where I think Disney could gain back some ground with disappointed fans by going full-on with the Lando series. It’s possible I’m way off here, but with the divided fan base and critical reaction to the Fett series, now might be a good time to step away from The Saga.

Calrissian is a long beloved character in the franchise and there are all sorts of stories they could tell that didn’t have to weigh in on OT or PT. Give us some stories about all those years before we met him. There’s no end to what they could do. It would be familiar but also new and adventurous at the same time.

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Anchorhead said:

This is where I think Disney could gain back some ground with disappointed fans by going full-on with the Lando series. It’s possible I’m way off here, but with the divided fan base and critical reaction to the Fett series, now might be a good time to step away from The Saga.

Calrissian is a long beloved character in the franchise and there are all sorts of stories they could tell that didn’t have to weigh in on OT or PT. Give us some stories about all those years before we met him. There’s no end to what they could do. It would be familiar but also new and adventurous at the same time.

I want an adaption of Heir to The Empire. Why not? Bring what is certainly THE most beloved EU material to life. What would be the risk? Just say it is an alternate timeline. It worked okay for Star Trek it would seem.

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An actual traditional style review of the Sequel Trilogy, discussing the pros and cons of the three films, story pluses and issues, characters and plot, all in a civil manner. Even if we don’t all agree.

Was the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Good? A Retrospective”, from the At-AT Chat YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBghhYdVFf8 : the video is 26 minutes long.
 

Too few of these traditional and civil videos exist for my liking, I wish similar review videos were as popular or as promoted during the era of the ST films. Instead the Fandom Menace, hate-filled or politicized agenda videos were.

 

theprequelsrule said:

Anchorhead said:

This is where I think Disney could gain back some ground with disappointed fans by going full-on with the Lando series. It’s possible I’m way off here, but with the divided fan base and critical reaction to the Fett series, now might be a good time to step away from The Saga.

Calrissian is a long beloved character in the franchise and there are all sorts of stories they could tell that didn’t have to weigh in on OT or PT. Give us some stories about all those years before we met him. There’s no end to what they could do. It would be familiar but also new and adventurous at the same time.

I want an adaption of Heir to The Empire. Why not? Bring what is certainly THE most beloved EU material to life. What would be the risk? Just say it is an alternate timeline. It worked okay for Star Trek it would seem.

I would love to see such a thing too, whether a Disney+ series or films.

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