I posted elsewhere that when writing the PT George Lucas should have used Michael Corleone as the basis for young Anakin Skywalker.
Based, I wanna see that now.
The reason Episode II is the weakest prequel for me is that the love story between Anakin and Padme is supposed to be half of the focus of that movie and yet it’s almost completely unbelievable. The actors are TRYING their hardest to make the characters sound as good as possible but that damn Lucas directing just renders it impossible, resulting in some very cringe and even creepy scenes. Half the time, Anakin looks like an obsessive stalker rather than a lovestruck yet charming young man.
I honestly doubt that a virgin teenager, which is romantically illiterate and who’s filled with a lot of repressed sexual desires would act like a charming young man, it’s totally unrealistic. And I know that, because I had to deal with the same problems a lot of times during my teenage years. Lately I’ve been trying to improve myself and seem more self-confident, but believe me, it’s not easy when you don’t have experience. Also, sure, most women only find men who are self-confident attractive, but even if it’s hard to believe, there’s a small percentage of women who think insecure and awkward men are cute. Probably Padmé falls into this small category, so there’s nothing weird with that. Therefore, no, in my opinion there’s nothing unbelievable about the love story in Attack of the Clones, and I don’t think Anakin’s behavior is unbearable, because I’ve been in his place a lot of times. I know what it’s like to be in that kind of situation, I know what it’s like to be in love with someone and be incredibly awkward, so I’m able to put myself in Anakin’s shoes and to see the world with his eyes. I’m able to identify myself with him, therefore I don’t have a problem with the love story.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
I get what you mean, Spartacus. I do think it was a nice idea to emphasize the sexual and emotional repression that Anakin faced as part of the Jedi order, at least in theory.
What makes the romance feel unbelievable for me, though, is the idea that Padme would ever fall in love with someone like that. Almost every time she and Anakin are on screen, there’s very little genuine attraction shown: It’s just Anakin obsessively ranting about his wet dreams, while Padme seems to be looking for the nearest exit at every possible moment. Them falling in love would be a lot more believable if one of them didn’t look physically repulsed by the other.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
David Lynch’s “Lost Highway” is a better example of how to handle the corruption of Anakin Skywalker by the dark side of the force than a mafia movie is.
Bro really just reduced The Godfather, a cinematic masterpiece, to “a mafia movie”. 💀
Also socially awkward nervous teenagers don’t speak in weird Shakespearean poetry.
What makes the romance feel unbelievable for me, though, is the idea that Padme would ever fall in love with someone like that. Almost every time she and Anakin are on screen, there’s very little genuine attraction shown: It’s just Anakin obsessively ranting about his wet dreams, while Padme seems to be looking for the nearest exit at every possible moment. Them falling in love would be a lot more believable if one of them didn’t look physically repulsed by the other.
Let me tell you something: women are weird. They’re adept at hiding their true emotions and pretending they feel one way, when in reality they feel the exact opposite. I can assure you, I’ve witnessed women telling a man that they feel deeply bothered by their behavior, only to end up in a relationship with that same man. It happens in a lot of movies and TV shows as well. Women are fucking masterminds, they almost never say what they really want and what they really think. Men are the ones who directly say what they want, but women are not like that. They go around things, create hyperbolic speeches and often lie about their emotional state, because they want men to understand what they think, but without telling them directly. So, I don’t think there’s something weird or unbelievable about Padmé telling Anakin something but actually meaning something else. Besides, apart from the “It makes me feel uncomfortable” scene, I honestly don’t recall any other scene in which she seems repulsed by Anakin’s behaviour.
Also socially awkward nervous teenagers don’t speak in weird Shakespearean poetry.
The only scene where Anakin talks in a Shakespearean and refined way is the monologue scene in front of the fireplace. I totally agree about that specific case, and in fact I slightly trimmed the scene in my personal Attack of the Clones fan edit, to align it more with the rest of Anakin’s speeches through the rest of the movie. But other than that circumstance, I don’t remember Anakin talking in a Shakespearean way in any other scene.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
Women are fucking masterminds, they almost never say what they really want and what they really think. Men are the ones who directly say what they want, but women are not like that. They go around things, create hyperbolic speeches and often lie about their emotional state, because they want men to understand what they think, but without telling them directly.
I’m sorry, but this was all I was thinking while reading that.
Yeah, that rant gave me insane “motivational quotes on Instagram with pictures of the Joker behind them” vibes.
I’m sorry to say this, Spartacus, but I think you have a very distorted idea of how love works. Women aren’t an alien race that needs to be scientifically examined: They’re ordinary people with ordinary wants, and the best way to “get a girl” is to just be a good person.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame you for holding these sorts of beliefs. Internet personalities have manipulated many young men into thinking the same way. But it’s a very toxic attitude, and you need to get rid of it immediately in order to stand a chance in society. Be less like Anakin, and more like Luke.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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I’m a “man”*, and I’ve rarely ever “directly said what I want.” Chalk it up to my restrictive upbringing, but I was never open about my feelings when I was younger, and still rarely am.
*Non-binary, if you want honesty, though I identify mostly with my biological sex, so whatever.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
I would love to be able to answer and have a discussion about this subject, but I’m afraid we’re going off topic, so I don’t think this is the right place to talk about it.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
I think we can agree that men and women communicate in different ways. Which isn’t really a suitable subject for a SW movie, never mind a movie so poorly written as AOTC.
David Lynch’s “Lost Highway” is a better example of how to handle the corruption of Anakin Skywalker by the dark side of the force than a mafia movie is.
In what way? Is the Mystery Man an analogue for the dark side?
a movie so poorly written as AOTC.
Yeah… No.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
a movie so poorly written as AOTC.
Yeah… No.
“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Attachments… FORbidden.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“Don’t leave. Your presence is soothing.”
And of course, the ultimate example:
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything’s soft… and smooth.”
I’m sorry, but if you can’t see how crappy half the dialogue in AOTC is (especially whenever Anakin’s on screen), you’re delusional. And the extremely subpar directing doesn’t do it any favors either.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
Yeah… actually yeah. They have to get the basics of character chemistry right in a romance plot, before they get into the subtle nuances of real people interacting with each other. What goes said and unsaid in a real human relationship? They’re not ready for that level of depth. The only part that’s convincingly romantic is what John Williams wrote on the sheet music.
My favorite line in the movie is “I wish that I could just wish away my feelings. But I can’t.”
But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.
“I wish that I could just wish away my feelings. But I can’t.”
I thought this was a line from a Linkin Park song for a second lol
Move along, move along.
a movie so poorly written as AOTC.
Yeah… No.
“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Attachments… FORbidden.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“Don’t leave. Your presence is soothing.”
And of course, the ultimate example:
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything’s soft… and smooth.”I’m sorry, but if you can’t see how crappy half the dialogue in AOTC is (especially whenever Anakin’s on screen), you’re delusional. And the extremely subpar directing doesn’t do it any favors either.
Yeah, that’s basically the way I talk to people every day, and everyone loves me for that. So no, of course I don’t hate it.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
a movie so poorly written as AOTC.
Yeah… No.
“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Attachments… FORbidden.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“Don’t leave. Your presence is soothing.”
And of course, the ultimate example:
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything’s soft… and smooth.”I’m sorry, but if you can’t see how crappy half the dialogue in AOTC is (especially whenever Anakin’s on screen), you’re delusional. And the extremely subpar directing doesn’t do it any favors either.
I was around sixteen when I first saw AOTC. Even at that age, when I unironically liked lots of subpar crap, I found Anakin’s dialogue on the cringey side.
There’s no legitimate defense of that movie.
“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”
― Leo Tolstoy
a movie so poorly written as AOTC.
Yeah… No.
“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Attachments… FORbidden.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“Don’t leave. Your presence is soothing.”
And of course, the ultimate example:
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything’s soft… and smooth.”I’m sorry, but if you can’t see how crappy half the dialogue in AOTC is (especially whenever Anakin’s on screen), you’re delusional. And the extremely subpar directing doesn’t do it any favors either.
Yeah, that’s basically the way I talk to people every day, and everyone loves me for that. So no, of course I don’t hate it.
Dude how old are you? Hahah. Let it go.
a movie so poorly written as AOTC.
Yeah… No.
“Just being around her again is… intoxicating.”
“Attachments… FORbidden.”
“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”
“Don’t leave. Your presence is soothing.”
And of course, the ultimate example:
“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse and rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything’s soft… and smooth.”I’m sorry, but if you can’t see how crappy half the dialogue in AOTC is (especially whenever Anakin’s on screen), you’re delusional. And the extremely subpar directing doesn’t do it any favors either.
Yeah, that’s basically the way I talk to people every day, and everyone loves me for that. So no, of course I don’t hate it.
Dude how old are you? Hahah. Let it go.
I’m 22. What does my age have to do with this discussion?
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
Well, no matter how old you are, I really hope you’re lying, because basing your entire personality on a fictional child murderer is… questionable.
My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX
Well, no matter how old you are, I really hope you’re lying, because basing your entire personality on a fictional child murderer is… questionable.
I’m sorry, but who said I base my personality on Anakin’s? I simply said that my way of talking in real life is similar to the way people talk in the Prequel Trilogy, and so it doesn’t bother me. That’s all. It seems to me that you’re all teaming up against me just because I’m not shitting on the Prequels.
“Sometimes we must let go of our pride, and do what is requested to us.”
– Anakin Skywalker
This all seems very unlikely, but let’s not dig ourselves into a hole talking about personal matters eh.
Well, no matter how old you are, I really hope you’re lying, because basing your entire personality on a fictional child murderer is… questionable.
I’m sorry, but who said I base my personality on Anakin’s? I simply said that my way of talking in real life is similar to the way people talk in the Prequel Trilogy, and so it doesn’t bother me. That’s all. It seems to me that you’re all teaming up against me just because I’m not shitting on the Prequels.
Don’t worry, man. We’re not trying to gang up on you or anything. I get what you’re saying.
But we can’t turn back. Fear is their greatest defense. I doubt if the actual security there is any greater than it was on Aquilae or Sullust. And what there is is most likely directed towards a large-scale assault.
What do I think of the PT, you ask?
Used to be underrated and now it’s overrated.
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