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What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 51

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Darths before Bane. Whomever created Darth Rivan should be bludgeoned with a sturgeon, and so should Drew Karpyshyn and the others who perpetuated that nonsense.

Speaking of Karpyshyn, his Darth Bane trilogy sucks. It’s like he went out of his way to take away most everything that made Bane a distinctive character – the purple lightsaber, the orbalisk armour – to make him just another generic Sith. Also each one of those books has a side quest of Bane seeking out a holocron – each one. Wow. So creative. Much variety.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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I mean, I can understand the complaints of some people. I, too, would have preferred the Darth title to be introduced with Darth Bane. The appearance of the Sith as we know them from the Prequels, with Darth titles and red lightsabers, should have been introduced by Darth Bane, and should have died with Sidious in Return of the Jedi. But, at the same time, I can also live with it. Again, I, too, would have preferred if those things were introduced by Darth Bane himself, but I can live with it. So, I don’t understand why it is so much of an issue for other people on the forum.

«No one is guilty of being born a slave. But the slave to whom not only aspirations for freedom are alien, but who justifies and paints his slavery in rosy colors, such a slave is a lackey and a brute who arouses a legitimate sense of indignation, disgust and repugnance.»

— Vladimir Lenin

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I prefer prequelisms to stay within the prequel era. It’s the only place I can tolerate them.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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I liked Karpyshyn until he wrote The Old Republic: Revan tie in novel for the MMORPG. That made me quit reading his Bane books as well even though I liked the first one. It’s unforgivable that The Old Republic replaced KOTOR 3 and it’s also unforgivable what Karpyshyn did in the book with the main characters of KOTOR 1 and 2. They’re ultimately just jobbers who have to lose to the generic Sith (who are the opposite of what Kreia described at the end of 2) so that the MMO can happen 300 years later. All the setup is completely wasted.
I haven’t played the MMO but all the lore ideas coming out of it also seem really dumb. For example, Revan’s force ghost gets split into a light half and a dark half.

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Superweapon VII said:

Darths before Bane. Whomever created Darth Rivan should be bludgeoned with a sturgeon, and so should Drew Karpyshyn and the others who perpetuated that nonsense.

Ironically, George Lucas likely meant for Bane to be first Darth. Statements from Lucas and the wording of the TPM novelization suggest that the pre-Bane Sith were short-lived and didn’t pose a serious threat to the Jedi. I believe that Lucas meant for the Sith Order started by Darth Bane to be the one that ruled the galaxy 1000 years before the movies.

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darklordoftech said:

Superweapon VII said:

Darths before Bane. Whomever created Darth Rivan should be bludgeoned with a sturgeon, and so should Drew Karpyshyn and the others who perpetuated that nonsense.

Ironically, George Lucas likely meant for Bane to be first Darth. Statements from Lucas and the wording of the TPM novelization suggest that the pre-Bane Sith were short-lived and didn’t pose a serious threat to the Jedi. I believe that Lucas meant for the Sith Order started by Darth Bane to be the one that ruled the galaxy 1000 years before the movies.

Yeah, there’s always been a wide gulf dividing Lucas’ canon and official canon, even when there were tiers with Lucas’ ostensibly being the top one. Which makes it all the more absurd when obvious jokes like “Conan” being Motti’s first name and “Stewjon” being Obi-Wan’s homeworld were canonized just 'cause Lucas was the source.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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I hate the name Sheev, and i hate that Palpatine was renamed Darth Sidious more than Stewjon even if its idiotic. Just like i prefer apprentice over Padawan. I know this had nothing to do with the EU but, i dislike it as much as Yoda and Palpatine even having lightsabers.

Canon is whatever until George decided to change something. He was like Indiana, i’m making it up as i go.

They really need to stop pretending the tie in fiction that comes out of licensing is on the same level as the film and tv canon. They just keep upsetting people every time Filoni changes something.

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JadedSkywalker said:

I hate the name Sheev

I’m glad I’m not the only one that doesn’t like that name. I just call him “The Emperor” or “Palpatine.”

All his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph!

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“Sheev” is a lame name. The various fan/rumoured names, from Dantius to Ethril to Frank, were all better. But I dunno, I find it amusing that that’s the name of a malevolent archmage who managed to conquer a galaxy.

“The Anarchists are right in everything; in the negation of the existing order and in the assertion that, without Authority there could not be worse violence than that of Authority under existing conditions. They are mistaken only in thinking that anarchy can be instituted by a violent revolution… There can be only one permanent revolution — a moral one: the regeneration of the inner man. How is this revolution to take place? Nobody knows how it will take place in humanity, but every man feels it clearly in himself. And yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, and nobody thinks of changing himself.”

― Leo Tolstoy

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JadedSkywalker said:

I hate the name Sheev, and i hate that Palpatine was renamed Darth Sidious more than Stewjon even if its idiotic. Just like i prefer apprentice over Padawan. I know this had nothing to do with the EU but, i dislike it as much as Yoda and Palpatine even having lightsabers.

Canon is whatever until George decided to change something. He was like Indiana, i’m making it up as i go.

They really need to stop pretending the tie in fiction that comes out of licensing is on the same level as the film and tv canon. They just keep upsetting people every time Filoni changes something.

Agreed on all points

Though it is funny that in the book, the reason that we don’t hear his first name very much is that he also hates it. He wants to style himself after his family’s noble name and that’s it.

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If he does have a name, it’s either Frank or The Senate.

All his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph!

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philraid said:

If he does have a name, it’s either Frank or The Senate.

Richard Marquand’s 1983 holocron and George Lucas’s 2005 holocron agree that his first name is “The”, but they disagree on whether his last name is “Emperor” or “Senate”.

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SWTOR that game ruined KOTOR lore for me so in my headcanon that game never happens and the Exile is a male Jedi for me
TFU 2 also never happens in my headcanon since Galen Marek sacrifice in the first game was a perfect ending to his story and for inspire the Rebellion

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I’ve probably said it before but i hate that they killed Anakin Solo making Chewie’s death and sacrifice meaningless. I hate that they ruined Jacen Solo. I hate that they killed Mara Jade Skywalker. I hate Vergere being a Sith, i hate Abeloth, the new Sith tribe and i hate how they ended the story of Callista and i never was a fan of hers.

I actually liked the story in KOTOR but being a videogame where you choose your character is good or evil, male or female its not really something to base a series of films or books on. The games are so loosely connected they don’t tell one cohesive story. And Old Republic is all the more worse for that since it doesn’t really care about lining up with Kotor 2 because Obsidian made it not Bioware. In recent years other than the mostly excellent Legendary Edition of Mass Effect i really believe they deserve the title of BeWare.

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Major shortcomings of the EU:

There are many of them.
There are way too many.
There are a ton of them.
Insufficient democracy.
Economic disparities between countries.
Migration policy.
Dependence on the largest countries.
These are the main ones, but there are a ton of them.

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The Callista Trilogy was really bad. Especially Children of the Jedi, that might be the worst EU book that I’ve read. I can’t believe they almost made Luke’s wife a ghost of a dead Jedi that took over the body of another dead Jedi. Thank fuck they wised up and had him marry Mara Jade instead.

I didn’t like the Legacy of the Force series. It reminds me a lot of the sequel trilogy where there were too many conflicting visions going on and it messes up the previous series. Sacrifice I especially disliked because of what happened with Mara Jade. My headcanon basically stops after the New Jedi Order books.

Champions of the Force was pretty bad. Jedi Search and Dark Apprentice were cheesy, but kind of enjoyable due to some of the ridiculousness, but Champions of the Force was just boring. They put Luke in a coma for most of it. So bad.

The Glove of Darth Vader and The Crystal Star I probably don’t have to get into. Batshit insane books those ones are.

Splinter of the Mind’s Eye I never liked. It’s only interesting as a curiosity, the actual story is crap. Never liked the depiction of Vader in it. They made him too bumbling. The Luke and Leia stuff is really hard to read in hindsight.

The Courtship of Princess Leia I thought had a really bad plot, and it introduced things into canon that I wasn’t really into like the Nightsisters and Dathomir. Thankfully it was just a weird one-off.

Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader was really disappointing for me. Most of it was surprisingly not about Darth Vader, despite what the title said.

The problem with a lot of EU books also is that the three main characters felt off to me in a lot of them. It’s like they wrote some other sci-fi books and then copy pasted a few Star Wars terms into them and called it good.

All his life has he looked away… to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph!

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I hated the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy where Luke builds a tower/castle and sulks, refuses to train Leias kids, pretty much jake Skywalker. And some women shows up who claims she knows his mom, who wasn’t Padme. Its a total waste of time.

in the end battle he even refuses to wield a lightsaber, not even when he is supposed to save Han will he use violence.

Its some really weird story with this new force discipline called the white current.

The one other book that doesn’t feel like Star Wars at all and is totally weird other than the Crystal Star, is that unpublished book the Heart of the Jedi.