What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 51

I liked Karpyshyn until he wrote The Old Republic: Revan tie in novel for the MMORPG. That made me quit reading his Bane books as well even though I liked the first one. It’s unforgivable that The Old Republic replaced KOTOR 3 and it’s also unforgivable what Karpyshyn did in the book with the main characters of KOTOR 1 and 2. They’re ultimately just jobbers who have to lose to the generic Sith (who are the opposite of what Kreia described at the end of 2) so that the MMO can happen 300 years later. All the setup is completely wasted.
I haven’t played the MMO but all the lore ideas coming out of it also seem really dumb. For example, Revan’s force ghost gets split into a light half and a dark half.

Superweapon VII said:

Darths before Bane. Whomever created Darth Rivan should be bludgeoned with a sturgeon, and so should Drew Karpyshyn and the others who perpetuated that nonsense.

Ironically, George Lucas likely meant for Bane to be first Darth. Statements from Lucas and the wording of the TPM novelization suggest that the pre-Bane Sith were short-lived and didn’t pose a serious threat to the Jedi. I believe that Lucas meant for the Sith Order started by Darth Bane to be the one that ruled the galaxy 1000 years before the movies.

I hate the name Sheev, and i hate that Palpatine was renamed Darth Sidious more than Stewjon even if its idiotic. Just like i prefer apprentice over Padawan. I know this had nothing to do with the EU but, i dislike it as much as Yoda and Palpatine even having lightsabers.

Canon is whatever until George decided to change something. He was like Indiana, i’m making it up as i go.

They really need to stop pretending the tie in fiction that comes out of licensing is on the same level as the film and tv canon. They just keep upsetting people every time Filoni changes something.

JadedSkywalker said:

I hate the name Sheev, and i hate that Palpatine was renamed Darth Sidious more than Stewjon even if its idiotic. Just like i prefer apprentice over Padawan. I know this had nothing to do with the EU but, i dislike it as much as Yoda and Palpatine even having lightsabers.

Canon is whatever until George decided to change something. He was like Indiana, i’m making it up as i go.

They really need to stop pretending the tie in fiction that comes out of licensing is on the same level as the film and tv canon. They just keep upsetting people every time Filoni changes something.

Agreed on all points

Though it is funny that in the book, the reason that we don’t hear his first name very much is that he also hates it. He wants to style himself after his family’s noble name and that’s it.

philraid said:

If he does have a name, it’s either Frank or The Senate.

Richard Marquand’s 1983 holocron and George Lucas’s 2005 holocron agree that his first name is “The”, but they disagree on whether his last name is “Emperor” or “Senate”.

SWTOR that game ruined KOTOR lore for me so in my headcanon that game never happens and the Exile is a male Jedi for me
TFU 2 also never happens in my headcanon since Galen Marek sacrifice in the first game was a perfect ending to his story and for inspire the Rebellion

I’ve probably said it before but i hate that they killed Anakin Solo making Chewie’s death and sacrifice meaningless. I hate that they ruined Jacen Solo. I hate that they killed Mara Jade Skywalker. I hate Vergere being a Sith, i hate Abeloth, the new Sith tribe and i hate how they ended the story of Callista and i never was a fan of hers.

I actually liked the story in KOTOR but being a videogame where you choose your character is good or evil, male or female its not really something to base a series of films or books on. The games are so loosely connected they don’t tell one cohesive story. And Old Republic is all the more worse for that since it doesn’t really care about lining up with Kotor 2 because Obsidian made it not Bioware. In recent years other than the mostly excellent Legendary Edition of Mass Effect i really believe they deserve the title of BeWare.

Major shortcomings of the EU:

There are many of them.
There are way too many.
There are a ton of them.
Insufficient democracy.
Economic disparities between countries.
Migration policy.
Dependence on the largest countries.
These are the main ones, but there are a ton of them.

I hated the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy where Luke builds a tower/castle and sulks, refuses to train Leias kids, pretty much jake Skywalker. And some women shows up who claims she knows his mom, who wasn’t Padme. Its a total waste of time.

in the end battle he even refuses to wield a lightsaber, not even when he is supposed to save Han will he use violence.

Its some really weird story with this new force discipline called the white current.

The one other book that doesn’t feel like Star Wars at all and is totally weird other than the Crystal Star, is that unpublished book the Heart of the Jedi.

That Darth Andeddu is implied to have been part of the Sith Empire seen in Tales of the Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith in spite of the fact that between being a Darth and fleeing to a Deep Core planet, Andeddu doesn’t fit the lore of the Sith Empire. It would have made more sense for Andeddu to be from the New Sith Wars.

That the Dark Jedi ancestors of Naga Sadow were retconned from having lived ~25,000 BBY to having lived ~7000 BBY without any reason being given for the retcon and therefore the conflict between the Jedi and the Dark Jedi ancestors of Naga Sadow was retconned from being the “First Great Schism” to being the “Second Great Schism” in spite of the fact that Tales of the Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith refers to that conflict as the “First Great Schism”.

EU fans still fighting the canon wars 10 years after the sale to Disney and a whole lot longer since the EU lore was thrown out by Clone Wars in 2008.

I’m a fan of EU, I’m also old enough and adult enough to understand it was nothing but tie in fiction. That came out of Lucas licensing. To pretend that it was ever going to be held up to the same level of a tv series or movie is just lying to oneself. Whether George ever considered it canon or not.

There is no Disney Lucasfilm, there is Lucasfilm. It’s the same company without George Lucas running it. Although it does make it easier to show discontent or dislike for the new stuff to call it Disney Star Wars and makes it easier to compartmentalize.

I do prefer the old legends canon over Disney’s expanded universe. See what I did there.

The BBY/ABY calendar existing in-universe.

It exists in universe? What calendar did they use before?

Spartacus01 said:

darklordoftech said:

The BBY/ABY calendar existing in-universe.

Why do you hate it? I do not mind it.

Why would the New Republic establish a new year 0? Isn’t that something totalitarian regimes do? Why not use whatever year 0 the Valorum-era Republic used?

Luke not knowing about his mother until after NJO. They should have said that Luke knew about his mother after his conversation with ghost Obi-Wan in ROTJ at the latest even if they couldn’t reveal that information to the reader.