Lord Haseo said:
Someone thinking that TFA is too similar to ANH is a valid complaint while TIE Fighters have two seats is not.As opposed to former, the later is actually technically valid complaint. As an expert, I can easily say…
Enough of this already!
Lol, I skipped over that “expert” part. Hilarious! I didn’t know we had a Tie Fighter pilot on the boards.
Let’s not forget how the OT shows starships and fighters making banking turns in outer space. As far as I know, banking turns are exclusively a property of atmospheric flight; you can’t make such turns in an airless vacuum in the real world.
Let’s throw technical criticisms like these out the window. Star Wars has only ever been medieval fantasy with a sci fi veneer. Save those critiques for Star Trek, which actually strives to be relatively hard sci fi.
And fails abysmally.
Lord Haseo said:
Someone thinking that TFA is too similar to ANH is a valid complaint while TIE Fighters have two seats is not.As opposed to former, the later is actually technically valid complaint. As an expert, I can easily say that having a “gunner” with a rotatable cannon on a fighter is stupid. It is nothing but a waste for a fighter role ship.
I don’t see how having more options as it pertains to offence is a bad thing. Saves the pilot from having to concentrate on flying and blowing stuff up at the same time.
Putting extra stuff to a ship doesn’t come at no cost. It increases the weight and decreases the performance. For a fighter it is better to keep low weight for a better performance of its actual role, or spend the extra weight for better engines and other weaponry that is actually useful for a fighter. Furthermore, aiming at anything with turret while fighter is in a dogfight is useless. Even if this was a bomber (flying mostly straight and using turret for protection), that kind of configuration of the turret is rather useless. The TIE fighter wings block a major portion of the lower sphere around it, in addition to the upper sphere being completely unreachable.
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That_OT_Ruler said:
I know this movie is going to divide the fanbase again, as the dislikers are pretty passionate, as well as the fanboys. We all have our faults, but the best thing to do is to not criticize the person, or the critiques.
Perhaps one way to help would be to stop using the term fanboys. It has long been overused to the point of having no meaning other than to belittle anyone who has a different opinion. In the case of Star Wars, the fan base is comprised of millions of people of both genders and spanning several generations.
Let’s not forget how the OT shows starships and fighters making banking turns in outer space. As far as I know, banking turns are exclusively a property of atmospheric flight; you can’t make such turns in an airless vacuum in the real world.
You can make similar motion trajectories. It is just that principle is different. In atmosphere you can have a single forward thrusting engine as the airflow over the wings can be exploited and flight control surfaces can be used to change the velocity vector of centre-of-mass (COM). In space you need more engines to do the job flight control surfaces do in atmosphere. You basically have to apply forces from different directions/configurations with respect to COM to change the ship’s velocity vector.
Applying force vector that intersects COM changes current velocity vector (linear momentum) toward that direction. Applying force vector that does not intersect COM also induces angular momentum that rotates the ship.
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Lord Haseo said:
Someone thinking that TFA is too similar to ANH is a valid complaint while TIE Fighters have two seats is not.As opposed to former, the later is actually technically valid complaint. As an expert, I can easily say that having a “gunner” with a rotatable cannon on a fighter is stupid. It is nothing but a waste for a fighter role ship.
I don’t see how having more options as it pertains to offence is a bad thing. Saves the pilot from having to concentrate on flying and blowing stuff up at the same time.
Putting extra stuff to a ship doesn’t come at no cost. It increases the weight and decreases the performance. For a fighter it is better to keep low weight for a better performance of its actual role, or spend the extra weight for better engines and other weaponry that is actually useful for a fighter. Furthermore, aiming at anything with turret while fighter is in a dogfight is useless. Even if this was a bomber (flying mostly straight and using turret for protection), that kind of configuration of the turret is rather useless. The TIE fighter wings block a major portion of the lower sphere around it, in addition to the upper sphere being completely unreachable.
Holy shit you need a vacation or something.
^No, he’s entirely correct about the uselessness of a rotating turret on a TIE fighter, because the wings are in the way and it would be way easier to shoot yourself down in one of those than in The Last Crusade. Could you imagine Finn saying that:
“Poe, I’m sorry… they got us.”
And I’ve always disliked the Millennium Falcon’s design, mainly the cockpit placement making no sense.
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Sure it’s possible to shoot your own wing but you’d have to be a toddler to pull something like that off.
And I’ve always disliked the Millennium Falcon’s design, mainly the cockpit placement making no sense.
And that’s my point (along with both side’s vehicles on Hoth). You forfeit your right to bitch about these TFA “problems” unless you acknowledge the same in the OT.
Sure it’s possible to shoot your own wing but you’d have to be a toddler to pull something like that off.
Well wings block almost half of the operational space of turret.
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And I’ve always disliked the Millennium Falcon’s design, mainly the cockpit placement making no sense.
And that’s my point (along with both side’s vehicles on Hoth). You forfeit your right to bitch about these TFA “problems” unless you acknowledge the same in the OT.
You TFA fanboys became like PT fanboys. The thread title is “What didn’t you like about TFA?”, not “What didn’t you like about OT?”. I am simply sticking to the topic.
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I will have to disappoint you. The term still have the original meaning (at least when it comes from me). It didn’t turn into anything beyond that as suggested in that post.
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He did use the term correctly, Frink. I’ve come to have the same feelings about TFA fanboys as I do the PT fanboys. Just stick to the topic, and since a whole lot of you here liked everything TFA through at you, what are you even doing in this thread.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
since a whole lot of you here liked everything TFA through at you, what are you even doing in this thread.
That does not apply to me. I’ve listed several things I did not like, and also many things that other people complained about that I disagreed with but at the same time sympathized with.
Just because this thread is about what you didn’t like, it doesn’t invalidate the point that some of these criticisms can be equally thrown at the OT. If you have problems with these things in the OT as well, then I respect that (even where I disagree with it) much more than if you don’t.
And I’ve always disliked the Millennium Falcon’s design, mainly the cockpit placement making no sense.
And that’s my point (along with both side’s vehicles on Hoth). You forfeit your right to bitch about these TFA “problems” unless you acknowledge the same in the OT.
That’s not really the same thing. That’s a rear gun, and there should be a separate gunner for that. That’s how it was designed, albeit being a little weird. TIE fighters weren’t designed to hold a rotating turret, they were designed to fire two front facing rapid-fire canons. This is the problem, not that two seated TIEs are bad, but adding a function to a ship that wasn’t designed for it is just stupid. The speeders were designed with the both sides thing, TIE fighters were originally not designed for a rotating turret. And I did acknowledge that.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
What about the Walkers? Armor too powerful for blasters, and yet they built them on spindly little legs, and the snowspeeders just happen to have harpoon guns for the sole purpose of bringing them down?
since a whole lot of you here liked everything TFA through at you, what are you even doing in this thread.
That does not apply to me. I’ve listed several things I did not like, and also many things that other people complained about that I disagreed with but at the same time sympathized with.
How about a little honesty. You have been the most passionate defended of TFA on this forum besides Lord Haseo.
Just because this thread is about what you didn’t like, it doesn’t invalidate the point that some of these criticisms can be equally thrown at the OT. If you have problems with these things in the OT as well, then I respect that (even where I disagree with it) much more than if you don’t.
I can conditionally tolerate your defending of TFA, i.e. attacking people who express their negative opinion toward TFA in a thread dedicated to expressing negative opinion toward TFA, since it is borderline off-topic/on-topic. But recently you resorted to a common PT fanboy tactic “yes but there are similar problems in OT too” which is completely off-topic.
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You can look through the thread to confirm my honesty, what I said about my own comments is fact.
And I don’t care one bit about what you can tolerate.
This isn’t about poor designs in the OT, that’s why I said the speeders aren’t the same thing. I definitely realize the many problems the OT had, hence mentioning the Falcon. The point is that TIE fighters were already designed almost 40 years ago, and now they are adding a function that it wasn’t designed to hold.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
And I’ve always disliked the Millennium Falcon’s design, mainly the cockpit placement making no sense.
And that’s my point (along with both side’s vehicles on Hoth). You forfeit your right to bitch about these TFA “problems” unless you acknowledge the same in the OT.
You TFA fanboys became like PT fanboys. The thread title is “What didn’t you like about TFA?”, not “What didn’t you like about OT?”. I am simply sticking to the topic.
The only reason the OT keeps being brought up is because you anti TFA people aren’t consistent in the least. If something nonsensical is in the OT it get’s a past but if it’s in the ST it’s a huge problem.
This isn’t about poor designs in the OT, that’s why I said the speeders aren’t the same thing. I definitely realize the many problems the OT had, hence mentioning the Falcon. The point is that TIE fighters were already designed almost 40 years ago, and now they are adding a function that it wasn’t designed to hold.
It can’t be redesigned?
Granted the cannon being able to shoot the wings is a problem…perhaps the targeting computer wouldn’t allow it to fire in that case. This isn’t a biplane we’re talking about.
The point is that TIE fighters were already designed almost 40 years ago, and now they are adding a function that it wasn’t designed to hold.
The Wright Brothers first Airplane were only designed for 2 people. What’s your point? Upgrading technology is a thing we do in real life so why is upgrading something not feasible in the Star Wars universe?
And I’ve always disliked the Millennium Falcon’s design, mainly the cockpit placement making no sense.
And that’s my point (along with both side’s vehicles on Hoth). You forfeit your right to bitch about these TFA “problems” unless you acknowledge the same in the OT.
You TFA fanboys became like PT fanboys. The thread title is “What didn’t you like about TFA?”, not “What didn’t you like about OT?”. I am simply sticking to the topic.
The only reason the OT keeps being brought up is because you anti TFA people aren’t consistent in the least. If something nonsensical is in the OT it get’s a past but if it’s in the ST it’s a huge problem.
Well that is your assumption based on the fact that some of us stick to the topic of this thread as we are suppose to.
If you want to see if poeple give OT a pass on similar stuff you should go to “What you didn’t like about OT” thread.
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