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There's a section of the forum just for that.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Where can I find it?

 

I actually looked on the forum 'main menu', must have missed it?

 

Thanks...

 

K

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-Pablo Picasso

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In the forum index, right under "Star Wars Fan Edits and Preservation Efforts," there's a link to "Other Fan Edits and Preservation Efforts" - that's the forum you're looking for.

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Sweet!

 

Thanks...no idea how I missed that (Duuuh....;)

 

K

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There seems to be a shift in some of the policies of this forum.

The 'Donation' concept, when's it ok, when's it not.

The existing rules state:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Fan-edit-preservation-forum-rules-and-FAQ/forum/9/topic/5950/

1. No discussions about financial transactions except for the buying, selling, or trading of official retail media. All For Sale/For Trade/Wanting To Buy posts belong in the buying/selling/trading forum.

Do Donations fall inside/outside this category?  The policy shift seems to be that Donations (direct paypal links for instance) are ok to ask for and can appear anywhere on the site. (since for some they are part of users signatures)  The community tends to shoot down newbies, but projects are actively implementing this financial transaction structure.

 

Also does this forum perceive that a project could surface which could require an amendment to the rules so that the project and it's author are able to remain on premises.

I would like to throw up 'Thee Backslacpkping With Media' (tBSWM)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Thee-Backslacpkping-With-Media-5-years-ago/topic/7758/

as an example of a project which hopes to showcase that there can be creative works which do meet the ideals of a fan edit but push the concept to a length where the final work can't be confused with any existing works although they might share material.  In copyright law, there's a statue called 'Fair Use' which allows creators to reuse culture to produce new culture.  (an exception which promotes the advancement of culture often for educational purposes)  Since I feel that tBSWM falls into these ideals, i'm proposing the idea to see if a rule amendment is worthwhile or things can stand as is and these deviations will be explained as they are questioned.

In relation to the shift in Donations, (which haven't received any complaints) tBSWM has also violated Rule 4, without any complaints:

 

4. No direct links to media downloads of copyrighted materials (VOBs, WMV, QuickTime, torrent files, NZB files, ED2K links, etc.) with the exception of short clips to demonstrate quality or content. No direct links to pages containing such files.

 

The violation being that the entire presentation is available from one webpage and the full DVD also available from a link click.

And then to make things more messy, i've offered the entire tBSWM project ownership able to be bought.  (i'd like to start a company which could make the program i'm speculating to exists)  To do that someone would symbolically purchase everything of that project, i'd relinquish ownership and receive funds to start a company.  This as it stands violates Rule 2:

2. No profiting from any activities related to fan edits or preservation efforts. Those found selling their fan edits or preservation projects here or elsewhere will be banned.

So besides being highly outlandish and more relevantly unobtainable, what's the conscientious?

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There seems to be a shift in some of the policies of this forum.

The 'Donation' concept, when's it ok, when's it not.

It's OK to ask for (purely voluntary) donations.

It's not OK to offer any incentives for donations, for example, donations in exchange for discs or donators getting preferential treatment over non-donators.

This is my interpretation of the rule, anyway.

In relation to the shift in Donations, (which haven't received any complaints) tBSWM has also violated Rule 4, without any complaints:

 

4. No direct links to media downloads of copyrighted materials (VOBs, WMV, QuickTime, torrent files, NZB files, ED2K links, etc.) with the exception of short clips to demonstrate quality or content. No direct links to pages containing such files.

 

The violation being that the entire presentation is available from one webpage and the full DVD also available from a link click.

This is now taken care of.

And then to make things more messy, i've offered the entire tBSWM project ownership able to be bought.  (i'd like to start a company which could make the program i'm speculating to exists)  To do that someone would symbolically purchase everything of that project, i'd relinquish ownership and receive funds to start a company.  This as it stands violates Rule 2:

2. No profiting from any activities related to fan edits or preservation efforts. Those found selling their fan edits or preservation projects here or elsewhere will be banned.

So besides being highly outlandish and more relevantly unobtainable, what's the conscientious?

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I don't have a problem with this.

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It's OK to ask for (purely voluntary) donations.
2. No profiting from any activities related to fan edits or preservation efforts

I find this confusing, but can live with the irreconcilable differences.

This is now taken care of

So now i've gotta ask what's the difference between that (not the DVD one, the video page) and youtube videos?

Here's the argument, besides the hosting company there is no difference between the videos. Like all videos on the web they are there to exists until a complaint is filled and the violation is determined or the user complies with the takedown Why this forum would want to have a stated rule which states no links to video yet it's been violated:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=WlB&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=site%3Aoriginaltrilogy.com+%22youtube.com%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Possibly up to 175 times is an example of the shifting standards. It's not just this forum, it's the whole net.

An example of this Net change surfaced with the Red Letter Media AotC edit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4Lh2zUY-qI

That's AotC on youtube, been there since 2008.  But a company who had nothing to do with the video got it removed and reinstated.

This is beyond Irreconcilable Differences and into just plain Confusion Territory.

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It's OK to ask for (purely voluntary) donations.
2. No profiting from any activities related to fan edits or preservation efforts

I find this confusing, but can live with the irreconcilable differences.

The wording of the rules is not important - it's the intent behind them that matters. I believe it is acceptable for adywan to ask for donations to cover the cost of model making equipment, but not acceptable for ocpmovie to ask for donations "to help with living costs" in return for DVDs.

This is now taken care of

So now i've gotta ask what's the difference between that (not the DVD one, the video page) and youtube videos?

The difference is that youtube is mostly used for uploading short samples or trailers, whereas you had the whole feature available for streaming.

The intent behind the "no links" rule is to avoid being sent a DMCA notice. To be honest I wasn't particularly bothered by your links, yes it is material subject to copyright, but it's not as high profile a target as something like, for example, an ADigitalMan fan edit of a Harry Potter film.

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What is the policy on requesting to compensate someone for printing DVD covers and printing on discs? I know we can't request burned copies, but what about requesting blanks that I can burn myself?

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Well done for setting out these rules. They’re very clear to me and the law.

I’m seeing far too many editors publically posting mega links etc to full movies and people not understanding it’s still piracy.

Check out - http://www.youtube.com/moviesremastered

Promote your own Fanedits here: https://www.reddit.com/r/moviesremastered/

MR Discord Community (Only taking fanedit requests via Discord with proof of ownership/subscription) - https://discord.gg/EBdQVXhDUh