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Unusual Sequel Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 114

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Just wanted to say that after a Clone Wars Rewatch the Force Ghosts in Ep 9 make sooooo much sense.

Yoda specifically says “achieve victory for all times”, after starting the training to become a Force Ghost. So slick!

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Inspired by me absolutely DOMINATING as an Ewok warrior on Battlefront II the other night, I wonder if there would be a way to imply that the Resistance has recruited Ewoks into their ranks? Now, as goofy as that may sound, it would make sense that the off-shoot of the original Rebellion would try to maybe recruit some of the alien species that happened to take down the original Empire in the first place.

Obviously, not too much could be done in regards to like action scenes or whatnot. But I feel like you could maybe use some upscaled and color corrected footage from those Made-for-TV Ewok movies from back in the day in order to insert some footage of Ewoks hanging around at the Resistance base on D’Qar/Ajan Kloss? Granted, I’ve never actually seen those movies so I’m not sure if the footage would be useable there in the first place. But I feel like it could be worth a shot!

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There’s also the opposite idea that the First Order was sent to kill them all by Jannah and her company. Probably at the direct command of General Pryde, because he was a part of the original Empire and wants revenge for Palpatine.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

There’s also the opposite idea that the First Order was sent to kill them all by Jannah and her company. Probably at the direct command of General Pryde, because he was a part of the original Empire and wants revenge for Palpatine.

Actually, I just got another idea that this reminded me of because I just found out in those Ewok movies, they ride ponies in some scenes. So, using Hal’s fan edit as a template that makes Kef-Bir into Endor, we could include scenes of the Ewoks here as being allies to the defected Stormtroopers.

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The space horses they ride look a lot different than the real-world ponies they use in those Ewok movies though. I’m not sure how it could really be used.

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A mix of rudimentary visual effects and carefully chosen shots that omit their faces.

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Previous attempts at that idea made it so Leia is giving her life-Force to be channeled through Rey into Kylo. This would explain how Rey is able to heal a fatal wound without dying like Ben. But you’ve taken another approach, actually, making it abundantly clear that Leia is summoning Han from the netherworld of the Force and the effort of that is what kills her. I think that’s a really cool idea, as well. The only (slight) problem with the idea is Ben’s line of “You’re just a memory” since in this case Ben isn’t hallucinating and his dad really is there with him because of Leia’s sacrifice.

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Interpretation is a funny thing. I saw it as less of a physical presence and more of the detonation of a memory bomb she implanted as a last chance to get through to him. In my head that’s why the conversation mirrors so closely the bridge conversation in TFA and why I painted him out in the wide shot. I can totally see where you are coming from though. Thanks for checking it out!

Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter.

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I’ve been thinking for a while about the infamous “Luke tries to kill Ben” scene in TLJ, and I think I’ve come up with a pretty neat idea to fix the scene’s biggest problem: why did Luke think Ben was beyond all hope, if all he saw was that Ben had some pretty scary thoughts? My version, which would be executed with the help of AI, attempts to give that reason. Here’s what I’m thinking:

REY: Tell me the truth!

LUKE: I saw darkness.

Flashback to Luke standing over Ben as he sleeps

LUKE (VO): I tried looking into his mind, to see what was causing it. But instead, I saw his future, and it was more horrible than I ever imagined.

Cut to a montage, with a ROTS-esque dreamlike filter, of Kylo’s darkest moments: destroying the temple, kneeling before Snoke, slaughtering people across the galaxy, watching as the New Republic is destroyed, and killing Han. Cut back to the flashback, as Luke recoils in horror.

LUKE: Ben’s fate had already been sealed.

Luke moves to pick up his lightsaber

LUKE: He would bring destruction and pain and death, and the end of everything I loved because of what he would become. And there was only one thing I could do to stop it.

Luke ignites his lightsaber, but hesitates

LUKE: But yet, I couldn’t do it, and I was left with shame. And with consequence.

Luke sees that Ben is awake

LUKE: And the last thing I saw were the eyes of the monster I failed to destroy.

They clash sabers, and the flashback ends

REY: You failed by thinking his choice was made! It wasn’t!

In this version, Luke’s choice is almost classicaly tragic. Rather than simply seeing what Ben might do, he sees what Ben WILL do, and he thinks that he has only two options:

  1. Do nothing, and let everything and everyone he loves be destroyed.
  2. Kill Ben and save the galaxy, but live with the knowledge that he killed his own nephew in his sleep.

In the end though, like with all classical tragedies, Luke’s attempt to cheat fate is exactly what leads to that fate happening in the first place: his indecision causes Ben to wake up, see his own master holding a lightsaber over his bed, and strike back, cementing his fall to the dark side. Luke made the wrong choice, but for reasons that are far more understandable than just “bad dreams”.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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I agree that this would resolve most of the issues people have with TLJ. And obviously it’s completely doable now thanks to AI. Although I do think his final line is a bit too hardcore.

I think the reason why they opted not to show what was going in Ben’s head/future was because then they’d be having a flash forward inside of a flashback. That would definitely get confusing. I wonder if this is doable with just purely the dialogue. Something like “Han and Leia would die because of what he would become”.

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It’s a decent idea Starkiller, but I would say it doesn’t work fully because with a proper understanding of the force, we know that the future is always in motion. For Luke to have such confidence in Kylo’s future violates a very foundational aspect of what we know of the force, and I think this dialogue reads as Luke simply acting like an arrogant dolt who doesn’t understand how the force works rather than him being forced into a legitimate moral dilemma.

Him just saying that he knows Ben’s fate is sealed comes off as him being in great error about reading the force vision, which Rey immediately corrects and she seems in the right. I don’t think this fully solves the problem of Luke still being presented out of character.

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Acbagel said:

It’s a decent idea Starkiller, but I would say it doesn’t work fully because with a proper understanding of the force, we know that the future is always in motion.

Which is why it’s so insanely stupid that the original reason why Leia stopped being a Jedi is because she sensed her son would die at the end of her Jedi path. Thank God Ascendant v5 will be fixing this up. And I think this problem is still present to a certain extent in the original TLJ because Luke acts not only on the darkness already within him but also what he saw he was going to do.

My point in bringing this up is that both JJ and Rian seem to have characterized Luke and Leia as believing in the infallible nature of prophecy. Probably because their father did end up fulfilling his own prophecy, from their perspective. Plus, the idea that Luke believes his own visions to be infallible because he’s the “legendary” Luke Skywalker does play into the movie’s theme of the Jedi being arrogant and failing as a result.

Personally, I’d rather Luke’s arrogance and boldness due to his legendary feats be the reason he fails to assess his situation properly rather than him wanting to snuff out his nephew due to some bad dreams in the present.