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Originally posted by: Perfect 5th
Wow! You have pretty much covered the terrain already, and I agree with most of what y'all said. Let me just add a fantasy comment: since Ani's "conversion" seems to happen a bit too fast for most of us (destroying all the oh-so-important subtlety and richness of the most crucial aspect of this long-awaited PT), and since we would have enjoyed seeing a bit more Vader/Han/Tarkin/etc. (which would also have helped the transition to ANH), don't you find it even more frustrating now to have gone through all the useless rubbish in TPM? I mean, we almost could have started directly with AOTC with a few adjustments, no? (That WOULD make Qui-Gon/Darth Maul pretty much unnecessary, though, I guess. But also kid-Ani, whom I do not care for.) What do you think?
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Originally posted by: Perfect 5th
Wow! You have pretty much covered the terrain already, and I agree with most of what y'all said. Let me just add a fantasy comment: since Ani's "conversion" seems to happen a bit too fast for most of us (destroying all the oh-so-important subtlety and richness of the most crucial aspect of this long-awaited PT), and since we would have enjoyed seeing a bit more Vader/Han/Tarkin/etc. (which would also have helped the transition to ANH), don't you find it even more frustrating now to have gone through all the useless rubbish in TPM? I mean, we almost could have started directly with AOTC with a few adjustments, no? (That WOULD make Qui-Gon/Darth Maul pretty much unnecessary, though, I guess. But also kid-Ani, whom I do not care for.) What do you think?
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
Only C3PO's memory was wiped. When Organa issues the command, he only mentions it for the "protocol droid". Which also explains why R2D2 was so determined to get to Obi Wan in A New Hope.
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Originally posted by: Anakin's Mannequin
Only C3PO's memory was wiped. When Organa issues the command, he only mentions it for the "protocol droid". Which also explains why R2D2 was so determined to get to Obi Wan in A New Hope.
OK so why didn't R2 tell him everything later? He promised not to?
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
In order of how much they bothered me:
#2) Anakin saying "What have I done?" after allowing Mace to get killed. This weakens his transformation to Vader a hundred-fold.Quote
I was trying to pin-point what it was that really ruined the transition, but I never even thought of this! You are SO right...
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
In order of how much they bothered me:
#2) Anakin saying "What have I done?" after allowing Mace to get killed. This weakens his transformation to Vader a hundred-fold.
War does not make one great.
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
In order of how much they bothered me:
#1) The incongruity between Padme's death and Leia remembering her in ROTJ.
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Originally posted by: HotRod
A lot of people seem to miss the point here...This is on various threads, but let me point something out here.
Luke "Do you remember your Mother? Your real Mother?
Leia " Just a little. She died when I was very young"
Luke "What do you remember?"
Leia "Just images really, feelings"
So what happened in Sith DOES make sense.
I don't see any problem there!
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Leia "She was very beautiful. Kind, but...sad. (looks up) Why are you asking me all this?"
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Originally posted by: Darth Kraxus
I have to agree that most of what's been posted did make the film a bit less impactful, but I had some other problems as well:
-I felt that the way Mace Windu dies was a cheap way out and did nothing but reduce the character's powers and abilities, especially when you consider how long Emperor Palpatine fry's Luke in ROTJ and he survives. I think that we should have seen him thrown out of Palpatine's window and follow him down to a passing vehicle where he grabs on much like Anakin in AOTC. By having him escape like this they could have had a final confrontation on the bridge of Vader’s Star Destroyer and let everyone watch Vader kill Mace Windu there. Much more honorable to that awesome character and a more resounding ending to the film, showing Vader's complete confidence and domination of the Force.
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-I thought that there was a scene with Obi Wan communing with Qui Gon, and now that I know that it exists I too am pissed that it wasn't shown in the film proper. It would more appropriately bridge the films and give us that much more insight into how Obi Wan vanishes into the force in ANH.
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-For the record, it was never spoken in the film that Padme died of a broken heart! The line was, "We don't know why, but she's lost the will to live." I don't think that her death hurts the Leia line latter on about her mother because her memory was of a sad mother figure that she barely remembers, and that could just as easily be Bale Organa's wife she's remembering.
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Count Dushku said:
[Obi-Wan met Threepio. Watch A New Hope, Obi-Wan has no clue who Threepio is...but now he does.]
I disagree! He knows exactly who C-3PO is but is unwilling to divulge his knowledge because it would give Luke too many questions before he was ready to handle them. Also since C-3PO's memory was wiped it facilitates this much more fluidly. If you think about it, R2-D2 is doing the exact same thing and has been for 20 years or so at that point since his memory is still intact. He won't tell C-3PO who Leia is or where the message he is carrying came from.
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-And yes I felt that Grievous was very inadequately portrayed with the knowledge of the Clone Wars iteration still fresh in our minds. He was injured and incapacitated at the end of the Clone Wars cartoon though by Mace Windu using a force crush on his chest causing his coughing and wheezing throughout Episode III. But that shouldn't have effected his resolve and brutality any. I think he could have been a bit more menacing if there had been other Jedi present while Obi Wan was fighting Grievous and had slain them in the battle. Not only would that battle been more poignant, it would also have been more of a pivotal battle showing that Obi Wan needed Jedi assistance because Grievous was so difficult of an opponent and if he had not slain Grievous then, he would have been that much more dangerous of a character latter on when Vader came to power and hunted the rest of the Jedi.
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Overall though I felt that the film was definitely a cut above the rest and it sits squarely in 3rd place behind ESB (2nd) and ANH (1st) in my book!
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
*** Warning: Strong Language Below ***
Here's what I didn't like:
Digital "super-artoo".
If he had rocket boosters built into his legs, why the fuck did he need to be lifted into Luke's X-wing by crane? And the bit where he caught Obi-Wan's comlink really made me cringe.
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Digital Yoda
Should be reported for false benefit claims - that's the most fraudulent use of a walking stick ever. Not only did the puppet Yoda look more convincing, it also didn't have such an annoying speech impediment either. Imagine the RotJ death scene; "Another... Skywalker... There... ... I s.". Fuck that shit.
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Battle Droids
Might as well have had a big "off" switch on their backs for all the use they were. Just big piles of junk waiting to be lightsabred, not threatening at all.
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General Grievous
Who?
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That fucking lizard thing
OK I'll admit that Tauntauns in TESB looked a bit crap. But at least the scenes in which they appeared were kept to a minimum.
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Chewbacca's appearance
What a fucking waste of time.
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Anakin's turn to the dark side
If fear, hate and anger lead to the dark side, then it would make sense to cast an actor who can fucking act these emotions wouldn't it George?
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Anakin/Padme romantic dialogue
*shudder*
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Obi-Wan/Anakin fight
If they were such good friends, why didn't Obi-wan try and turn him back from the dark side?
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Hayden in the Vader suit
Nope, just didn't work for me.
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