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Originally posted by: greencapt
And geez Warb- is there a RIGHT way for the 'Chosen One' thing to rub you?!?!?!!

EEeeeewwwwww!!!!!!


*sigh*

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Originally posted by: ricarleite
This "chosen one" thing comes waay back from that "journal of the whills" references...


what is this "journal of the whills"?
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It's an imaginary book - basically a compilation of all of Lucas' SW stories.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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where can i read this so called imaginary book
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Originally posted by: Kam
The prophecy is bullshit.
Everything about the prequels is.

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Killa Kam the man! Glad you said it and took the heat for it too!!
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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Originally posted by: Kam
The prophecy is bullshit.
Everything about the prequels is.

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Killa Kam the man! Glad you said it and took the heat for it too!!


wow i didnt know such ignorance existed in the world
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
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Originally posted by: Kam
The prophecy is bullshit.
Everything about the prequels is.

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Killa Kam the man! Glad you said it and took the heat for it too!!


wow i didnt know such ignorance existed in the world


Well if you look at the box office numbers for sith, you'll find out its in abundance.
"Drink the Kool-Aid. Wear blinders. Cover your ears. Because that's the only way you can totally enjoy Revenge of the Sith -- the final and most futile attempt from skilled producer, clumsy director and tin-eared writer George Lucas to create a prequel trilogy to match the myth-making spirit of the original Star Wars saga he unleashed twenty-eight years ago. Fan boys, of course, have convinced themselves otherwise. So have several critics, if you go by early reviews."
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hmm. ao ebert ingnorant eh... all those MILLIONS of poeple that liked the movie. but not you, no your just the cream of the crop. Man i not even going to waist my breath on you. cause that is the definition of ingnorance, when you think you're right beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
where can i read this so called imaginary book


Why at an imaginary library, of course! Duh!
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Back to the 'Chosen One' discussion, I have a question:

DID Anakin KNOW he was supposed to be the Chosen One until Obi-Wan shouted it at him near the end of ROTS?

I realize Yoda, Mace, Obi, Qui and so on all discussed his 'One-ness' but I can't really remember right off if Anakin ever went on about it. I remember 'I'm better than this' and 'I can be better than them all' rants from him, but not directly referring to the Prophecy. Hmmm.

Maybe nobody told him that they thought he was this Chosen One directly, which made him sense that they were holding some information him and thus causing him to dis-trust the Jedi more. You'd think Palps would have been all like "No my boy- they just dislike you because of this Prophecy- they know you're better then them." IF the Jedi had told him. Instead Palps was able tweak Anakin's distrust to his own advantage.
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That's a fair question, because being the Chosen One is never discussed in his presence. That being said, Anakin doesn't seem confused when Obi-wan yells it at him.

Obi-wan: You were the Chosen One!

Anakin: [Scooby-Doo] Huh!?! [/Scooby-Doo]

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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That is so true GreenCapt. He does say Obi-wan is holding him back and someday he will be the greatest Jedi ever. I think they repeatedly said they fear him, because though they sense his power with force they sensed his fear, rebellion, and conflict. Of course they stated he was too old. At age 8? he is already to hard-wired (so would say what about Luke...luke faced conflict and turned to the darkside in post OT, coming back later). If he was aware of the prophecy that weight could boost his ego further and/or give him too much weight/expectations that would hinder his training. The jedi know that he must train more carefully. It sort of reminds me of Gandalf not wanting to hold the ring from Frodo, knowing that through him it can yield an unimaginable power...too much power. Although to defeat Siddious it would take a Jedi greater than even Yoda, ultimately. He manipulated the entire Senate, Anakin, Padme, Dooku as a jedi and sith, Sifo Dyas, Jango Fett, and the Jedi Council. Even Yoda didn't see him coming. It would be interesting if Siddious said that to increase him anger against the jedi, about being the chosen one, but wouldn't that creat conflict against the emperor when it is clear who he is. Ultimately we know (thanks to MebeJedi for some of the answers) that he fulfills the destiny by killing the Emperor/Sith and returning to the Light side. Siddious did not want that obviously. The Jedi did not know for certain he was the chosen one (only Qui-Gonn sensed this and passed that idea to Obi-wan). Siddious tried to turn him because he knew he was the chosen one and would ultimately be his demise. Its like Satan trying to tempt Jesus in the Bible. Satan's greatest fear was the Son of God ("son of Suns - Journal of Whills) pulling away his reign on humanity and ultimately relegating him to the hell (shadows) post-Revelations.
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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Good stuff gang!

MBJ: Maybe Anakin was just too far gone at that point, too intent on trying to kick Obi butt that it just kinda went over his head.

Obi-Wonton: And that actually made me think of this too. Who says being the Chosen One has to be about who is more powerful than who- it wasn't Vader's 'power' that killed the Emperor. It was his being in the right (or wrong) place at the right time. Taking the Prophecy at whatever face value it has, Vader really was kind of a dupe. He played along with the Dark Side long enough to be basically trusted by Palps and when finally he had a change of heart when Luke is going to die he just takes a bullet for him and chucks an old man down a shaft. Important? Yes. Powerful? Eh... not so much so- he DID die afterall.

So perhaps any number of Jedi were more *powerful* than Anakin (Obi did kick his ass afterall ) but instead he was just fullfilling a prophecy to be the one who gained the confidence of evil and took advantage of an opportunity.

and prophecies can be tricky things.....
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here's a question was Anakin meant to go to the darkside to finally destroy the Sith?
"A Jedi can feel the force flow through him".
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Isn't child-Anakin standing in the Council Chambers when Mace Windu asks: "You refer to the prophecy. . ."

In the book(s), it is quite clear that Anakin knows that he is believed to be the Chosen One.

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"MBJ: Maybe Anakin was just too far gone at that point, too intent on trying to kick Obi butt that it just kinda went over his head."

As he subsequently went over Obi-wan's head.

"Isn't child-Anakin standing in the Council Chambers when Mace Windu asks: "You refer to the prophecy. . ."

Good point. I might also add the the television ads for AOTC labelled Anakin as the Chosen One as well. I'd have to reread the novel, as I don't recall anything from it about Anakin knowing or not. Could you find the page number?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
"MBJ: Maybe Anakin was just too far gone at that point, too intent on trying to kick Obi butt that it just kinda went over his head."

As he subsequently went over Obi-wan's head.


But it cost him an arm and a leg (or two) to do so!

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"Isn't child-Anakin standing in the Council Chambers when Mace Windu asks: "You refer to the prophecy. . ."

Good point. I might also add the the television ads for AOTC labelled Anakin as the Chosen One as well. I'd have to reread the novel, as I don't recall anything from it about Anakin knowing or not. Could you find the page number?


Maybe Anakin didn't see the televsion ads...
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Originally posted by: greencapt
Good stuff gang!

MBJ: Maybe Anakin was just too far gone at that point, too intent on trying to kick Obi butt that it just kinda went over his head.

Obi-Wonton: And that actually made me think of this too. Who says being the Chosen One has to be about who is more powerful than who- it wasn't Vader's 'power' that killed the Emperor. It was his being in the right (or wrong) place at the right time. Taking the Prophecy at whatever face value it has, Vader really was kind of a dupe. He played along with the Dark Side long enough to be basically trusted by Palps and when finally he had a change of heart when Luke is going to die he just takes a bullet for him and chucks an old man down a shaft. Important? Yes. Powerful? Eh... not so much so- he DID die afterall.

So perhaps any number of Jedi were more *powerful* than Anakin (Obi did kick his ass afterall ) but instead he was just fullfilling a prophecy to be the one who gained the confidence of evil and took advantage of an opportunity.

and prophecies can be tricky things.....


Now greencapt are you saying that its simply a matter of right place right time, sort of like jar-jar blowing away droids kicking that broken one around or the tank turret or letting loose the explosive balls. (god I hate jar-jar). Maybe Jar-Jar is the chosen one! Just kidding Greencapt. I guess I long for something darker and more poetic...like anakin meets donnie darko
16 years I wait and this is what I get???
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It needn't even be a "Right thing at the right time" scenario. This Prophecy could simply be a vision of the future. Someone simply foresaw this act, and in ROTJ, the act finally takes place.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Here is another question: Does the Star Wars saga really need idea of a "Chosen One" or a Prophecy? Do you thinks its better with it or with out it?
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Here is another question: Does the Star Wars saga really need idea of a "Chosen One" or a Prophecy? Do you thinks its better with it or with out it?


I prefer it without. I'm a big champion of 'personal responsibility'. I like to think we're defined by the choices we make and aren't victims of a 'plan'.
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Like the plan of "Good triumphing over evil in the end"?

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
Like the plan of "Good triumphing over evil in the end"?


Heck, as long as it was well written, directed and acted Luke could have fallen to the Dark Side for all I care. Plus, I dig downer endings... and the bad guys are usually SO much cooler.

"And now we rule the galaxy as father and son...."

(and they lived happily ever after)
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Originally posted by: Shimraa
where can i read this so called imaginary book


Why at an imaginary library, of course! Duh!


lol
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Here is another question: Does the Star Wars saga really need idea of a "Chosen One" or a Prophecy? Do you thinks its better with it or with out it?


i thought it added more depth to the story. maybe it made the characters a little more fleshed out but the story was deeper.
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Originally posted by: Warbler
Here is another question: Does the Star Wars saga really need idea of a "Chosen One" or a Prophecy? Do you thinks its better with it or with out it?


i thought it added more depth to the story. maybe it made the characters a little more fleshed out but the story was deeper.


And of course, added the "chosen one" cliche to the whole thing, also providing room for a huge Deus Ex Machina whenever GL felt lost in his story.
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering