The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 48

Captain Typo keeps on giving Panaka cakes.

hm, the difference here is, that Qui-Gon couldn't give the order to open the door again, which Vader in this case could and would be faster to do than "simply" cut through a security shielded door ...

as nice the effect, the situation is not the same ;-)

So this was probably addressed elsewhere, but does Adywan intend to use any deleted scenes in any of the movies?  And if so, is he able to colorize any of the interesting B/W ones?

darth_ender said:

So this was probably addressed elsewhere, but does Adywan intend to use any deleted scenes in any of the movies?  And if so, is he able to colorize any of the interesting B/W ones?

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem any deleted scenes are available in satisfactory quality, which is a particular shame for ROTJ and the Prequels. The deleted scenes on the Prequel DVDs were the most promising, which were bizarrely absent from the Blu-Ray. You'd need a damn good upscaler to make them in any way usable. It's almost as if Lucas was going out of his way to deny faneditors useful resources.

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I hope some upscaling is planned, particularly with ROTJ. There are so many great scenes I would hope to see, including B/W fighter pilots. If love to see more honor given to those actors, especially the females.

One of the main criticisms of the PT is that Anakin is not a likable character, but I think Adywan should not try to make Anakin a likable character. 1: cause I don't see an easy way to make Hayden's Anakin a likable hero, and 2: he is fucking Darth Vader after all! We should hate him for getting progressively evil (but not for being a douche, all right! He should be as smart as possible given the source). Let's Obi-Wan be the real hero who witness the fall of his student friend. The audience should feel sorry for Obi-Wan, but not for Anakin.

TMBTM said:

One of the main criticisms of the PT is that Anakin is not a likable character, but I think Adywan should not try to make Anakin a likable character. 1: cause I don't see an easy way to make Hayden's Anakin a likable hero, and 2: he is fucking Darth Vader after all! We should hate him for getting progressively evil (but not for being a douche, all right! He should be as smart as possible given the source). Let's Obi-Wan be the real hero who witness the fall of his student friend. The audience should feel sorry for Obi-Wan, but not for Anakin.

In an ideal situation we wouldn't have seen much of Obi-Wan of Anakin anyway. We know how most of their story played out from watching the OT so that made watching the films in filmed order particularly boring and flat conceptually and watching them in chronological order seeing Anakin too much reveals and spoils plot revelations from future episodes.

However it is important that Anakin be a good man corrupted and that we should care about this otherwise this weakens the impact of the OT where we are supposed be glad that Anakin has defeated Vader from within so to speak by being guided by his son the OT protagonist.

I think the only way this can be done in an edit of the existing PT is by showing less Anakin and seeing his effect on the universe more. That way if survivors of battles whisper the hero's name with awe and respect we will respect him. Especially if we hear and see less Hayden. Similarly when Vader turns up he should be seen more conceptually than physically. We should see massacred Jedi and hear witnesses trembling with fear describing the mysterious dark lord.

That way by the time we have got to Jedi we know Anakin was a hero who became this terrifying warlord and became the hero again. He will earn a place in Jedi Valhalla and not just be an annoying petulant shite who got burned up after choking his pregnant wife.

Ideally we would have seen a story about the adventures of Obi-Wan, how he grew from Padawan/Knight to Master and his failure/s to teach a student aka losing him to the Dark Side ...

maybe on a sidenote we see his "sidekick" Skywalker (Anakin?) and some other guys - like the team/trio, that made the OT good and interesting ;-)

I like the "shadow" thing you suggest, Bingo - it puts "Phantom Menace" back into the story!

Bingowings said:

TMBTM said:

One of the main criticisms of the PT is that Anakin is not a likable character, but I think Adywan should not try to make Anakin a likable character. 1: cause I don't see an easy way to make Hayden's Anakin a likable hero, and 2: he is fucking Darth Vader after all! We should hate him for getting progressively evil (but not for being a douche, all right! He should be as smart as possible given the source). Let's Obi-Wan be the real hero who witness the fall of his student friend. The audience should feel sorry for Obi-Wan, but not for Anakin.

In an ideal situation we wouldn't have seen much of Obi-Wan of Anakin anyway. We know how most of their story played out from watching the OT so that made watching the films in filmed order particularly boring and flat conceptually and watching them in chronological order seeing Anakin too much reveals and spoils plot revelations from future episodes.

However it is important that Anakin be a good man corrupted and that we should care about this otherwise this weakens the impact of the OT where we are supposed be glad that Anakin has defeated Vader from within so to speak by being guided by his son the OT protagonist.

I think the only way this can be done in an edit of the existing PT is by showing less Anakin and seeing his effect on the universe more. That way if survivors of battles whisper the hero's name with awe and respect we will respect him. Especially if we hear and see less Hayden. Similarly when Vader turns up he should be seen more conceptually than physically. We should see massacred Jedi and hear witnesses trembling with fear describing the mysterious dark lord.

That way by the time we have got to Jedi we know Anakin was a hero who became this terrifying warlord and became the hero again. He will earn a place in Jedi Valhalla and not just be an annoying petulant shite who got burned up after choking his pregnant wife.

I think that having the viewer like/admire Anakin might not be an ideal situation, but rather a necessary thing in order to preserve the WTF moment in ESB.

At this point one could argue wether you should have the whole arc of Anakin bended just to preserve one plot twist, no matter how iconic or important it is for the fans, or if other things are more important.

There's a chance of having a saga defined by the message of Yoda wars don't make one great instead of "OMG he's his father, it cannot be!". Yes, plot-twists are cool, but not enough to justify a six-part saga. Infact they even might be overrated; surprise and astonishment aren't by far the most important values a film/script/novel/stage play can have. (tell that to the creators of Lost).

I believe the best way to have Anakin's redemption in ROTJ be endorsed is to make us pity him in the PT, as someone trapped by the nonesensical morale of the Jedi Order and forced to be basically a blind soldier instead of a regular guy.

I agree however, that his position should be secondary. Having Anakin be "famous" within the Order and the highests layers of society just makes the whole OT full of plot-holes.

What has the Empire made of Anakin (this meaning the official story) ? If he was labeled as a Jedi traitor, then there's no reason why the rebels haven't picked him up as a symbol for their struggle. If the Empire gave Anakin the same treatment Adolph Hitler gave to Erwin Rommel, then Anakin could be a hero for both sides in the OT (that would have been very very interesting to be played in Rebels). If, in any case, Vaders identity wasn't a secret for the galaxy, then that makes a fool of Luke.

This all can be solved if instead of a "famous war hero" and "the most powerful of Jedi" Anakin just was a skilled but regular and most obedient of all Jedi.

Has Ady stated anywhere what he intends to do about Anakin's age in Ep. I? Will he keep him as a kid and hime a large time jump between Ep. I-II or try to insert Hayden/actor as a young adult and scrap Anakin being 9 years old?

One thing I hope there is more of in PT:R is space! The Prequels severely lacked that feeling of a vast galaxy, space travel and exploration. And I don't mean simply adding more space battles but generally more time spent on starships and in space. Also, having Anakin actually be a great pilot wouldn't hurt.

I'd love to see more Dooku too. Given Christopher Lee's few scenes would it be possible to have Dooku play a larger role? I am thinking something along the lines of Dooku running around on the Separatist flagship and pursued by Obi-Wan/Anakin or the Jedi as a whole, somewhat vaguely resembling the Rebels fleeing the Empire in TESB. More space! :)  

brimforge said:

I like the "shadow" thing you suggest, Bingo - it puts "Phantom Menace" back into the story!

It doesn't have to be completely vague.

If you look at some of the most iconic Indiana Jones or James Bond moments they are often where the character is face unseen, I'm not sure how long into the film Harrison Ford's face takes to appear in Raiders but those face unseen moments are really compelling.

If a body double were found some action sequences could be created from new footage mixed with existing footage where Anakin is framed more heroically. Making him directly responsible for maybe bringing down an enemy ship or saving some slaves. Have them chant his name (It works for Flash Gordon and Paul Muad'Dib) and then create a shot of Hayden not do creepy sex looks as the punchline to that moment.

Similarly if a Vader costume is available we could see glimpses of Vader boots stomping through a massacre scene or a hand wielding a red saber and only briefly seeing him in his full terror inducing glory.

With all the Wampa building talk I was wondering if it would be possible to build either a physical puppet or a CGI model of IG-88. When I saw ESB I thought there was some sort of obvious history behind Fett's outfit but also the battle droid.

The first Clone Wars animated show had them but I wish they were in the PT movies. The IG-88 look is so much more threatening than any of the battle droid designs for the PT.

I also thought that maybe if Tatooine was given a major retooling it could become another planet entirely. Both in the PT and in ROTJ. We would lose the irony of Luke saying he never was going back but it would make more sense if Owen and Beru raised Luke on an isolated planet, away from Anakin's past and from powerful crime lords.

That way PT/ROTJ Tatooine and Geonosis could be merged to give Anakin a bitter sweet heroic moment liberating his home-world (which isn't Tatooine) but failing to save his mother The Lars homestead scenes in AOTC are pure fan service and don't add much to the plot, the one scene in ROTS however makes a world of sense (though I would make Owen less friendly looking to Ben).

However making the place Tatooine explains all the junk the Jawas pick up and the local hostility to droids.

Harmy said:

I think, since Ady is doing Revisited at 720p, the deleted scenes from the DVDs could probably be upscaled quite satisfactorily, especially from PAL DVDs (if of course they aren't just NTSC conversions). And the deleted scenes inside the bunker in ROTJ could probably be used at 720p quite well too, given some cleanup and enhancement.

 So when are you joining the team?

Come on now I may throw ideas around and try to figure things out and stuff and I have a very good knowledge of film If anyone asked me to come up with something I would I can do sound and that is about it and I quite frankly do not apply myself as well as I could either but I like to be on the outside looking in. I Live down the road from Naboo filming location though so I can offer some photos of the forest perhaps when the weather get's a bit better that is about it and would happily do that if needed

But Revisited needs someone of your caliber what is the point of 2 people doing all this work twice even if unofficial please make your resources available to each other and work together to essentially cut down workload in general.

Harmy can the B&W extended kiss between Han and Leia on falcon be colored and fit with the existing footage at 720p?

Only because of the sudden jump cut of her arm suddenly appearing at the back of Han's Head...

I also want to say IG88 shadows of the empire voice... I am scared by that. I wanted to do an edit for the bounty hunters scene in ESB i could not get anything really that worked ever so well.. Just whirring noise from the audio for when he moves his head. But that voice is a winner. if only.....

Hi, first time posting here, but I've been lurking around for quite some time. 

I've just rewatched the space battles in ROTS, and I've been thinking that some amount of edit would have drastically make the battle even better than it is. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWoGkrt5Upg

In this battle, there is no sense of perspective about what the capital ships are doing. We have no idea if they are surrounding the separatist ships or whether they are advancing forward towards Grevious's fleet. If it is possible to include scenes of flag officers onboard, it will make the battle easier to understand for the audience, and we would be able to see the "face of Battle" and the faces of the commanders in charge of the Republic navy. 

It is unlikely that any edit to this scene would be completed anytime soon, but I'll be interested to hear what are your thoughts on how to edit this space battle alone. 

it sounded to me more like Ben mocked Vader with his "title", as later the Emperor does with Luke, when he sneers at him "Jedi" ...

But for the name-calling and the overuse of "Darth", there shouldn't be that many Sith-Lords, infact I would rather have one or two "Lords", the rest should be dark or fallen Jedi ;-)

Do people not call people by their titles? No one calls anyone "general" in the SW films? Never understood that complaint.

DAVE VADER : Phil prepare your troops for a surface attack.