The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 35

brash_stryker said:

I'm more interested in the possibility of replacing these two in the prequels with more interesting characters, for instance, a certain Captain Tarkin.

Honestly, only one of these characters actually speaks! And when he does it's not to say anything particularly interesting - "Order, we shall have order" and "If only Senator Amidala were here" are the only 2 lines I remember. And both lines are spoken with the same flat boring delivery as everyone else seems to have in the prequels.

You both seem to want to insert them to unify the two trilogies (I'm guessing?). I'd rather do it the other way around. There's nothing even vaguely interesting about them.

Amedda bogs Valorum down in procedure (after Sidious claims to have the Senate bogged down in procedure!), suggests that Palpatine be given emergency powers, and witnesses Sidious use Force Lightning on Yoda. I have concluded that Amedda knows the truth about Palpatine and is helping him.

darklordoftech said:

Amedda bogs Valorum down in procedure (after Sidious claims to have the Senate bogged down in procedure!), suggests that Palpatine be given emergency powers, and witnesses Sidious use Force Lightning on Yoda. I have concluded that Amedda knows the truth about Palpatine and is helping him.

All of Amedda's interaction that you mention sounds like a big yawn to me. I think the fact that his character has no introduction and we only even know his name from reading supplemental info shows that he's not really interesting enough to warrant this discussion.

I'd go so far as to argue that he's not worth keeping in the film he's IN, let alone added to another.

The politics of the PT have always been a problem regardless, but this monotone voiced blue alien does nothing to make this a good Star Wars movie. He's just insignificant and boring. You say yourself that his most significant action is that he "bogs Valorum down in procedure". That sounds exciting! Is this really what a Star Wars movie should be? 

Now if the politics could be toned down while also given a revamp, that would be an improvement. Imagine a pompous and ambitious military captain using his background and influence as a leader to scare the senatorial masses into sanctioning the deployment of the republic army. That's actual political intrigue and corruption there, unlike what we got in the films. He's scratching Palps' back in order to advance his own career. It establishes his character as ruthless and willing to do almost anything to get what he wants - in other words, the very Tarkin we meet in ANH.

brash_stryker said:

You both seem to want to insert them to unify the two trilogies (I'm guessing?). I'd rather do it the other way around. There's nothing even vaguely interesting about them.

Tarkin all the way.

Would replacing Moore and Amedda with the ROTJ advisors be preferable?

darklordoftech said:

Would replacing Moore and Amedda with the ROTJ advisors be preferable?

I don't see any pay off to this personally, as they are superficial background characters. In my opinion, they only serve to convey that the Emperor is surrounded by the pompous and the sycophantic.

He's not the Emperor yet in the prequels. He's still going through his machinations to power. Having them there at this point, in my opinion, would make no sense.

Again, what the Prequels need are compelling, developed characters. Not one dimensional cardboard cut outs that serve no real role. We have an abundance of those already!

The cronies in ROTJ are interesting though.

They are very old and pale like Palpatine and Anakin themselves.

Unlike a lot of the other people the EU crowd obsess over they have a lots of backstory potential.

They have clearly been around for a long time so it would have made sense that they were around in the PT.

It makes more sense than the blue chap and frosty girl.

But Tarkin should have been a major character not a stupid rubber mask worn by a good actor without any speaking lines.

Bingowings said:

The cronies in ROTJ are interesting though.

They are very old and pale like Palpatine and Anakin themselves.

Unlike a lot of the other people the EU crowd obsess over they have a lots of backstory potential.

They have clearly been around for a long time so it would have made sense that they were around in the PT.

It makes more sense than the blue chap and frosty girl.

But Tarkin should have been a major character not a stupid rubber mask worn by a good actor without any speaking lines.

Certainly, though in more of a background role. Perhaps a group of them are staunch supporters of Palpatine and are vocal in their support from their floaty senate platform. This ties in well with them being in a position of power and opulence by ROTJ, though the thought of there being enough senate scenes in an edit for this to even feature makes me shudder a bit. 

I don't think they have a place as Palpatine's right hand men, but that's just my opinion.

Alternatively, as I'm sure must has been suggested before, have them replace the Neimodians. I remember seeing a mockup of the reverse of this (Neimodians in ROTJ) however with the spirit of Revisited being to change the prequels to match the OT, it might make more sense, especially if it's edited in such a way that the Federation isn't betrayed in ROTS. 

Of course, this idea is another that would require major refilming....

he doesn't change his hat in 36 years?

Or the hat hasn't gone entirely out of fashion in that long.

It's the sort of headwear that travels well.

Spacestation or Desert planet.

It could be a cultural/religious thing. You wouldn't ask a Sikh why he was still wearing a Turban 36 years later. Or at least I hope you wouldn't :p

Having a mysterious group/cult with an agenda (that turns out to be aiding Palpatine) has the potential to work really well, even if it is subtle and in the background.

We might assume they're the "Sith" race, of which Palpatine is also a member (this would mean pushing the EU aside, of course). We might see them as an influential secret society working in the shadows, surreptitiously manipulating Palpatine's rise to power from behind the scenes, like a galactic Freemasons crossed with something out of the mind of David Icke.

Actually, it might suffice to insert them into the background in particular significant scenes that involve Palps. If you could go back through the Prequels and discover more scenes like the above picture where they're seen watching in the background, it would be a cool easter egg that people might not spot in their first viewing. I'm thinking along the lines of the G-Man in the Half Life series - a sinister agent of unknown origin who manipulates and watches over the character and no-one knows who he is.

In ROTJ right after Luke defeats Vader and he has that look of utter rage his eyes should blink yellow for a second to really drive in the fact that he stepped a little too close to the dark side. Thoughts?

Yeah, no one's going to like that idea round these parts. Especially not adywan who I believe has already said he won't do it (though I might be making this up - either way he won't be doing it I'm sure).

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, no one's going to like that idea round these parts. Especially not adywan who I believe has already said he won't do it (though I might be making this up - either way he won't be doing it I'm sure).

Hey! Logical person! We don't take kindly to people who use logic round here!

timdiggerm said:

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, no one's going to like that idea round these parts. Especially not adywan who I believe has already said he won't do it (though I might be making this up - either way he won't be doing it I'm sure).

Hey! Logical person! We don't take kindly to people who use logic round here!

It's only logical if you accept the PT as canon for Revisited.

If Ady is fixing the continuity errors made by the PT then hell yes I'm logical, but that goes without saying. Speaking of....Has he said anything about what he's going to do about the clone troopers?

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, no one's going to like that idea round these parts. Especially not adywan who I believe has already said he won't do it (though I might be making this up - either way he won't be doing it I'm sure).

Hey! Logical person! We don't take kindly to people who use logic round here!

I don't personally think it's such an awful idea, I'm just saying it's been brought up before here and most people do think it's an awful idea.

When you think about it, it's not even logical in terms of the PT. I think the best way I can prove this is remember when Anakin lobs off Windu's arm? His eyes weren't yellow. So I don't see why Luke's would be in a similar situation. Also important to note that nowhere in the films are Dooku's eyes yellow, and Anakin only has yellow eyes in a couple of scenes though his evil acts surely outnumber that.

So really when you think about it yellow eyes make no sense in the PT and Ady will likely fix this by removing them (though probably not from Maul or Palps if I were to guess) rather than adding then adding them to the OT.

DominicCobb said:

Lord Haseo said:

DominicCobb said:

Yeah, no one's going to like that idea round these parts. Especially not adywan who I believe has already said he won't do it (though I might be making this up - either way he won't be doing it I'm sure).

Hey! Logical person! We don't take kindly to people who use logic round here!

I don't personally think it's such an awful idea, I'm just saying it's been brought up before here and most people do think it's an awful idea.

When you think about it, it's not even logical in terms of the PT. I think the best way I can prove this is remember when Anakin lobs off Windu's arm? His eyes weren't yellow. So I don't see why Luke's would be in a similar situation. Also important to note that nowhere in the films are Dooku's eyes yellow, and Anakin only has yellow eyes in a couple of scenes though his evil acts surely outnumber that.

So really when you think about it yellow eyes make no sense in the PT and Ady will likely fix this by removing them (though probably not from Maul or Palps if I were to guess) rather than adding then adding them to the OT.

I see your point except for removing Anakin's sith eyes in ROTS. His deeds in ROTS were truly evil.....I mean he slaughtered children.....Ady should keep them from Anakin seeing as the fact that he slaughtered a room full of children. I'm not into the EU so I might be wrong, but it seems like Dooku became a Sith Lord simply for the power. He doesn't do anything truly evil in AOTC and ROTS. Also it seems like the Sith eyes disappear depending on your level of hatred/evil at the moment. In ROTJ after Anakin destroys the Palpatine and his mask is removed his eyes are normal so by this logic it is entirely possible for Dooku to have normal eyes in the scenes that he is in. Also Palpatine all through the prequels up until he tries to electrocute Windu had normal eyes as well.   

Lord Haseo said:

 

I see your point except for removing Anakin's sith eyes in ROTS. His deeds in ROTS were truly evil.....I mean he slaughtered children.....Ady should keep them from Anakin seeing as the fact that he slaughtered a room full of children. I'm not into the EU so I might be wrong, but it seems like Dooku became a Sith Lord simply for the power. He doesn't do anything truly evil in AOTC and ROTS. Also it seems like the Sith eyes disappear depending on your level of hatred/evil at the moment. In ROTJ after Anakin destroys the Palpatine and his mask is removed his eyes are normal so by this logic it is entirely possible for Dooku to have normal eyes in the scenes that he is in. Also Palpatine all through the prequels up until he tries to electrocute Windu had normal eyes as well.   

It was the PT that introduced the whole 'Sith Eyes' thing. It was never a thing during the OT (except arguably a bit with Palpatine who represents the epitome of pure evil). Why did we have to have this visual indicator that a character is evil all of sudden? Might it have had something to do with George's inability to write a convincing character? Rather than make Darth Maul evil via his actions or dialogue, he made him seem evil in the most superficial way - his appearance. Evil eyes, devilish make up. Job done, apparently.

I find the whole concept of the evil eyes when you turn evil quite cheap, except, as stated, when it comes to the Emperor (whose eyes were more subtle anyway). He just exudes pure evil and doesn't seem to represent the "norm" at all. When I first saw ROTJ, I saw a man who'd pushed the Dark Side to its absolute limits. He was an aberration; more evil and despicable than any Dark Jedi had been before him, and this exposure had taken its toll on his body. Having every Sith in the prequels have these same traits cheapens the story his appearance tells. He becomes just another bad guy.

Though, the force lightning rebound completely ruined all that anyway.

brash_stryker said:

Lord Haseo said:

 

I see your point except for removing Anakin's sith eyes in ROTS. His deeds in ROTS were truly evil.....I mean he slaughtered children.....Ady should keep them from Anakin seeing as the fact that he slaughtered a room full of children. I'm not into the EU so I might be wrong, but it seems like Dooku became a Sith Lord simply for the power. He doesn't do anything truly evil in AOTC and ROTS. Also it seems like the Sith eyes disappear depending on your level of hatred/evil at the moment. In ROTJ after Anakin destroys the Palpatine and his mask is removed his eyes are normal so by this logic it is entirely possible for Dooku to have normal eyes in the scenes that he is in. Also Palpatine all through the prequels up until he tries to electrocute Windu had normal eyes as well.   

It was the PT that introduced the whole 'Sith Eyes' thing. It was never a thing during the OT (except arguably a bit with Palpatine who represents the epitome of pure evil). Why did we have to have this visual indicator that a character is evil all of sudden? Might it have had something to do with George's inability to write a convincing character? Rather than make Darth Maul evil via his actions or dialogue, he made him seem evil in the most superficial way - his appearance. Evil eyes, devilish make up. Job done, apparently.

I find the whole concept of the evil eyes when you turn evil quite cheap, except, as stated, when it comes to the Emperor (whose eyes were more subtle anyway). He just exudes pure evil and doesn't seem to represent the "norm" at all. When I first saw ROTJ, I saw a man who'd pushed the Dark Side to its absolute limits. He was an aberration; more evil and despicable than any Dark Jedi had been before him, and this exposure had taken its toll on his body. Having every Sith in the prequels have these same traits cheapens the story his appearance tells. He becomes just another bad guy.

Though, the force lightning rebound completely ruined all that anyway.

Good point, but what about continuity? I mean I'm sure Palpatine didn't kill a room full of children not only once, but twice like Vader did.

You do know that Lucas's continuity is irrelevant right? Ady is editing the prequels to suit the originals. I highly doubt he'll have the child murdering in there.