The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 3

SpilkaBilka said:

The ROTJ briefing is awful in so many ways.

Hey, who wants to be a general?  We'll take anyone!  We don't really have any qualified pilots to lead this Death Star assault- certainly not anyone who's loyal, has experience in many battles, and has gone up against a Death Star before (ahem WEDGE ANTILLES cough).  So how about the sketchy guy who ran a gas mine and hasn't done any meaningful piloting in years?  Good choice.  Oh by the way, he made a deal with Darth Vader to capture PRINCESS LEIA and her friends so that Vader could freeze LUKE F'N SKYWALKER in carbonite and give him to the Emperor.  But he was in that Tanaab battle or something?  Sure, what the hell.

Next!

Ok, now, we're about to launch the most important ground assault in Rebel Alliance history- the fate of the galaxy hinges on it.  Let's see... we have a guy who's known as a great PILOT and smuggler... though to his credit I guess he's broken in an out of some strongholds before.  Sure, why not.  Oh also, he's been frozen in carbonite for like 2 years, so his eyesight might be a little screwed up and I'm guessing his muscles have atrophied and maybe he's gone a little crazy.  Oh yeah, he hasn't led any sort of ground operation since he's been frozen for 2 years, and this'll be his first mission as a general, so he might need some catching up on the latest Imperial procedures and methods, and his aim might be a little off.  You can probably get him up to speed on all that on the flight to Endor.  But yeah, good choice, doesn't look like we have anyone else.

He seems prepared too- he doesn't have a crew for the shuttle, but I'm sure some of his buddies will just volunteer DURING THE BRIEFING.  Last minute, who cares?  No big deal.  Make sure to take the useless, shiny, talkative protocol droid with you too on this important subterfuge operation that's going to require stealth.

Hey Luke- no, no problem!  Juts barge right into the middle of the most important mission briefing in rebel history!  You forgot your ID?  No biggie, I'm sure the guy just waved you in.  We're all friends here in the Alliance.  Oh, you don't want to fly an X-Wing?  We were kind of counting on you since you blew up the first Death Star, and you might be the best pilot in the galaxy.  But yeah, no worries, just be a crew member on the shuttle.  That's the best use of your skills.

So, you guys ready?  Alright, let's blow up this Death Star!!!  But don't forget to have some fun out there!!!

If anyone else wants to be a general, let us know!

Sigh.

"Don't forget to have fun out there!"

But...that's what these films are about. :p

These films are about a Galactic Civil war.

They are fun for us because they are exciting and the characters are engaging.

Once again I refer to the briefing in ANH.

The pilots look worried, Han frequently shows signs of disbelief at what he is hearing.

It's all very pessimistic.

This makes the final battle more intense, more emotionally realistic and more enjoyably exciting for the audience.

If the situation is less tangible and the characters can't be bothered to take things seriously why should we?

This makes the pay off to the action less exciting, cinematically it malfunctions.

fishmanlee said:

Bingowings said:

The pilots look worried, Han frequently shows signs of disbelief at what he is hearing.

Of course, thats before Han joins the rebellion, and Luke becomes a full-fledged Jedi....

And that they think the Death Star is not yet operational...

Yeah, the whole point of the cavalier way everyone is treating the briefing is that they ARE confident. They don't know the Emperor has set a trap in motion. By making them look all solemn and serious, it ruins that effect. And I mean, it's not like they're cracking fart jokes while talking about taking down the Death Star. 

You only get that cavalier when you have already won. You can be hopeful but come on it's the Empire.

They would only get that cocky if the Empire had pretended to lose loads of battles and killing the Emperor on the Death Star was their final move.

Which might be interesting.

You could have a scene of Rebel ships leaving drifting Imperial craft after a battle to join the growing Armada (only to have the not so damaged craft 'wake up' again when they have gone).

That could lead to false confidence.

Fishy you would be top of my Christmas card list if I gave Christmas cards out to people based on utterly brilliant achievements in pedantry.

The scene would still be shorter without the bits I referred to. 

nightstalkerpoet said:

 

A part of me would love to see Ewan McGregor's mole added to Alec Guinness in the OT.

 Why not remove it from the PT instead? Thats more Revisited's style anyways.

^ THIS

The film could also do with more featured pilots.

In the first two films we knew them by name, in ROTJ there is Wedge, Lando, Nien Numb (though we never hear this onscreen), That lady with the masculine voice, the, "there's too many of them!" guy, the "She's gonna blow!" guy, the "Argggggggggh!" guy and the  "Copy ----- Gold ----- Leader." chap.

You could have some of them in the background of the briefing, maybe chatting and stopping to pay attention.

And then later here their names or call signs during the battle so we care a bit when we lose a wing.

muddyknees2000 said:

nightstalkerpoet said:

 

A part of me would love to see Ewan McGregor's mole added to Alec Guinness in the OT.

 Why not remove it from the PT instead? Thats more Revisited's style anyways.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

...I agree completely. =)

It does if ANH is Episode IV, unless you expect Ady to make from scratch a direct prequel to ANH showing the first Rebel victory and Leia escaping with the plans.

His associates and himself are good but that good?

From scratch is easy compared to trying to rework an already finished film into something new

LOL.....probably......but not specific to this current topic. I work in film here in Montreal....and all I'm saying is that to mount your own production and shoot from scratch has its own challenges and hurdles to overcome, but its quite a bit easier than trying to change a completed film, adding or removing elements when you don't have the original background plates or green screen footage. Think of it like working on an image in photoshop.....you've been asked to remove someone from an image. On one hand you have a .psd with all its layers, including the subject you wish to remove, and on the other you have a flattened image. Well we're working with the flattened image. This can often severaly limit what we can and cannot do.....whereas when shooting your own original material you're working with a blank canvas.....anything goes.

I was thinking more along the lines of what will be done (or could be done) for the PT but that would be a very cool standalone project. Personally if I had the money I'd be financing my own PT re-edit project. I think Revisited will make them better films, but I think they're so flawed at very basic and intrinsic levels that the only way to make them good or great films would be to reshoot alot of whats there. Change the story drastically, make them character films as opposed to special effects reels (though to be fair I have yet to see the entire Revisited plan for the PT).

With all due respect to you Muddy, if you had a project as big as even the least of the Star Wars films under your belt I think your impressions may change.

These projects have so far had the benefit of working with some amazing performances and building onto some incredible sets and model work.

The real test would be to get something out of the PT worth watching, that might be beginning to approach the challenge as making a Hollywood blockbuster from scratch but doing everything to the standard of the first two Star Wars films without the scores of people working behind the scenes, that would be proof of sorcery.

I am in no way saying that shooting a film is easy....having worked on quite a few of them, even some of these "big" ones you mention I know firsthand how difficult and challenging it can be. I am simply saying that there is a difference between shooting something fresh and then having all the elements (green screen fottage of actors and background plates and CGI effects all as separate files) and trying to work with and change an already finished product. In one respect one is easier to do than the other....I am not saying films are easy to make.

As astonishing as ESB:R will no doubt be, the fun really starts with ROTJ:R and PT:R because as what there is to work with incrementally decreases you will all have to rely more on your ingenuity and imagination.

I wish all power to your arms, I honestly do.