The Unofficial Complete REVISITED SAGA Ideas and Random Discussion Thread — Page 27

I think he means in the style of other 70's space films rather than hard science fiction.

The robots in The Black Hole were thought to be silly and cartoonish when I was a kid but they do look better than their PT cousins, the Cylons wipe the floor with the lot of them though.

chyron8472 said:

Ronster said:

Sorry for double posting but I have to say If it could be done but It would probably be perhaps extremely difficult.

The Prequel trilogy done in a 70's sci-fi movie style. Not only would it grant a lot of artistic licence in terms of design but it could borrow a lot from this era.

Again with the sci-fi...

 

Star Wars is not sci-fi. It's fantasy, just set in space. And the Original Trilogy has been compared to have, in many ways, the style of a western.

For the PT to have a 70's sci-fi feel, or for the pursuit of/negotation for technological advancement to be a forefront part of Ep. 1's plot I think entirely misses mark on trying to make the PT feel like the OT does.

I think you misunderstood me... What I mean is borrowing from 70's design and architecture but also borrowing ideas from 70's films that were either science fiction or fantasy although fantasy films like Krull or the dark Crystal could be sources of inspiration too.

Basically borrowing ideas or designs or modifying to retro-fit the PT

Theres no need to change the design in the OT because of the sheer amount of talent and artistic skill and sets were brilliant for the most part and still stand up today.

When you look at many of the design choices taken with the PT it's like chalk and cheese it's almost like george lucus himself forgot what star wars was and made very little effort to improve minitures technology and ILM digital he was only bothered about CGI and trying to get business for his company.

look at what I can do without even putting much thought into these films clearly like they are set in the future even though it is before episode IV only as an after thought to actually make some of it seamlessly join.

The PT weather it is fantasy sci-fi western comedy or drama or all of those looks, feels, and acts nothing like the OT

Would Retro Fitting it help it feel more like it was before episode IV?

I think it would... It might be difficult but you only have to look a coruscant which is a mixture of Bladerunner and the 5th element to see how the PT took a new direction.

If revisited took some inspiration from say logans run at integrated the architecture from this in to coruscant and made the traffic nowhere near as busy would it help... I don't know but you have your own opinion and I am just throwing ideas about.

Or all in one tracksuits with one zip and 70's modern interior design

But yeah I totally feel the need for a replacement for Han Solo in the PT or something similar... Someone if something does not work will choose to kick it before blasting it and saying "it did'nt work anyway"

And as far as westerns go "yeah where are all the laser shoot outs gone?"

"sorry mate, only lightsabres from now on"

"really? oh ok then"

don't get me started

Space 1999 and Star Trek The Motion Picture were definitely filmed on planet Beige.

Bingowings said:

Space 1999 and Star Trek The Motion Picture were definitely filmed on planet Beige.

Your right it's a bit dull but if it somehow mixed a bit of this in, and in the right quantities it could be made to feel like it was actually set before Episode IV.

And if this art direction was chosen then it would also make it a bit more grounded in terms of reality. Which the PT when you look at it just screams I am a cgi generated image and this is what we can do now common in a lot of modern films without much thought into plot

Lowering the Budget of the PT would do it some good, and it would also work to an advantage not only for the edit in some ways say for extra scenes and alike as it does not then need to be over indulgent and can more easily grounding it more in reality... And I guess people are more forgiving of old 70's movies too... We know it is not but if it tries to be it will get let off the hook so much more easily

Heres another example from Space Hunter adventures beyond the forbidden zone

Using some of this background detail or as a design basis on Kamino or the underwater Gungan city to make it feel more real or borrowing from it for instance like the big long strands of sea weed hanging and the shiny pipes

I think what I mean is taking the approach of "how did they do this stuff before we had Cgi.. Ok let's try and do this in cgi but make it look as real or use elements of it"

I like beige, I like onyx and I like smoked glass I'm Artexican.

Sorry for posting all these images but I feel it helps me get a point across...

I would be happy If we had a replacement Han Solo would drive something like this for a couple of reasons.

1. It would make him a lesser smuggler or pirate or rouge or simply a cargo hauler that gets in over his head to make a few extra credits... Millennium falcon is more a like a sports cargo haulage

2. grounds it in a reality we are familiar with and not a character that has a death warrant on his head.

3. truck drivers are here to stay it makes a connection to a world we are familiar with which the PT certainly does not do very well

4. I'd rather this is how the Queen was smuggled off the planet and taken as far a tattooine or has involvement somehow.

5. Driver has a change of heart and goes back for them and takes them to corusant or shows up later (whatever just saying)

6. Needs some people who will carry guns to make lightsabres more out of the ordinary and has a shipmate companion.. Some buddy feel 

But it needs grounding and familiar in ways with our world too in some ship designs and characters that is something it really lacked the PT.

The Naboo royal cruiser reminds me too much of flight of the navigator which really was just ok.. And not star wars

I'm still waiting for the Krull pictures.

Sword and sorcery with laser guns and aliens.

A little bit  stiff but still better than the PT.

Bingowings said:

I'm still waiting for the Krull pictures.

Sword and sorcery with laser guns and aliens.

A little bit  stiff but still better than the PT.

Nope I'm not posting Krull pictures lol

But something else that has occurred to me also is Anakin in TPM really felt nothig like a slave.. There was nothing beating on him and making him do things he did not want to do... It would have greatly improved the plot if he was actually a slave and showed perhaps battle droids (although better designed ones) or slave masters oppressing anakin in an underground mine or something... That to actually break free from this would have felt liberating him was a real achievement and explain why in later films he was messed up  As it's obviously what the plot is, but it was never shown on screen to make it a plot or demonstrated to the audience.

Mining for crystals or mineral ore that is used to power ships being thrown scraps of food while everyone fights over what is theres Being laser whpiped and being held in shackles would have achieved this.

To re-film another Anakin that was actually a slave would really help improve Anakins Arc... 

2 films I'll cite for inspiration would be Starchaser Legend of orin and enemy mine

There is a lot visually in Krull that is right and matches some of the story feel of TPM (both were rather cynically manufactured to cash in on Star Wars).

I'm getting an idea for an image thread where people can post their visual mashups of good looking aspects of these sort of films and shows (the Masters Of The Universe film also has some lovely looking sets and costumes) with the PT and come up with some nice new imagery which may be an inspiration.

It may be difficult to show little Anakin as a slave in the manner you suggest (not all slaves are that mistreated remember) but it might be possible to film some inserts of slaves being mistreated and/or pinch some from historical epics and the like and obscure them in such a way that they fit and manipulate shots so Anakin reacts to them. Perhaps as a podracer he gets special treatment too which explains the nice house (other children less gifted, racing in deadly rocket chariots would make that aspect of the story a lot darker too).

Ronster said:

...Anakin in TPM really felt nothig like a slave...

Actually this could be pretty easily achieved with just the new voice-over that Ady wants to give Anakin. 

Shots like the one in which Watto tells Anakin to clean the racks and that he can go home early are easily changed....Watto speaks in an alien language, so all that needs to be altered are the subtitles.....make it something more like "Ok, you've had your fun, now get back to work"....and instead of Jake Loyd's "Yipee!" you just substitute the new voice actor saying something like "yes sir, right away"......have the actor deliver the line with enough urgency and adding it to Jake Loyd's quick scurrying off the ledge he's sitting on makes it look like he's at least semi-fearful of Watto, or the possible repercussions of not moving fast enough to obey his orders.

Bingowings said:

 

I'm getting an idea for an image thread where people can post their visual mashups of good looking aspects of these sort of films and shows (the Masters Of The Universe film also has some lovely looking sets and costumes) with the PT and come up with some nice new imagery which may be an inspiration.

Do it! Visual Retro Redux Thread!

ben_danger said:

Bingowings said:

 

I'm getting an idea for an image thread where people can post their visual mashups of good looking aspects of these sort of films and shows (the Masters Of The Universe film also has some lovely looking sets and costumes) with the PT and come up with some nice new imagery which may be an inspiration.

Do it! Visual Retro Redux Thread!

As a point of order (especially to any floating mods) would this fit into the edits section (being mock ups intended to inspire edit project makers) or art (being still images)?

Bingowings said:

There is a lot visually in Krull that is right and matches some of the story feel of TPM (both were rather cynically manufactured to cash in on Star Wars).

I'm getting an idea for an image thread where people can post their visual mashups of good looking aspects of these sort of films and shows (the Masters Of The Universe film also has some lovely looking sets and costumes) with the PT and come up with some nice new imagery which may be an inspiration.

It may be difficult to show little Anakin as a slave in the manner you suggest (not all slaves are that mistreated remember) but it might be possible to film some inserts of slaves being mistreated and/or pinch some from historical epics and the like and obscure them in such a way that they fit and manipulate shots so Anakin reacts to them. Perhaps as a podracer he gets special treatment too which explains the nice house (other children less gifted, racing in deadly rocket chariots would make that aspect of the story a lot darker too).

oops I have started something now... But Old films would be good inspiration for the PT

I also wanted to say your spot on there Bingowings... You don't essentially need to show cruelty directly to Anakin but if he is a slave and you show cruelty to others slaves it hurts anakin as well as those he knows physically.

Starchaser the legend of orin does the opening extremely well of setting up mine world and uses an disabled old man and a young blind kid to show how cruel the slave masters are. I reccomend this cartoon for developing any slave story for the PT

2 deleted scenes from TPM could be used in this Slave scenario

Anakin fights greedo = this would be better used to show anakin fighting the leg of a bigger slave master after they have done something very cruel to an old man say and he dies. A Break call can be used to save anakin from getting seveirly punished himself by a whip

Qui-hon destroys droid = Slave master is shouting and following "where do you think you are taking him, he is ours!"Qui-gon kills the slave master and cuts to crouching down with Anakin come on let's go.

This would really improve the drama and if those shots can be modified you can tell this story with this footage and other characters and qui gon really breaks him out like a bit more prison break hero to the rescue. Even if he is freed by gambling they obviously don't want to honor the bet.

Bingowings said:

ben_danger said:

Bingowings said:

 

I'm getting an idea for an image thread where people can post their visual mashups of good looking aspects of these sort of films and shows (the Masters Of The Universe film also has some lovely looking sets and costumes) with the PT and come up with some nice new imagery which may be an inspiration.

Do it! Visual Retro Redux Thread!

As a point of order (especially to any floating mods) would this fit into the edits section (being mock ups intended to inspire edit project makers) or art (being still images)?

I'd say the former, as the intention is to encourage the use of either per-exisiting footage or design work. I'd find a bank of gathered footage incredibly helpful.

Most of the retrofuturistic dials and instrument pannels seen in Captain America could be really accurate to illustrate how the interior of PT ships should look.

Regarding architecture, I think that while visually impressing, they didn't hit the spot with Coruscant. They should have gone with a sharper Art decó instead of the fluid lines of Noveau...mainly because if there had to be a progression, it's more easy to trace the path deco - modern movement - industrial look of the OT, since they are all based in a certain angular take on geometry, while there isn't an "evolution" or progression from noveau to an x wing, for instance

Having recently watched ROTJ (the collaborative edit, well done overall guys!, not everything was to my taste, but it was pretty dang good, nonetheless), there's a bit of talk from Vader, Emperor, and Luke about destiny.

I assume this is where George was trying to go with the whole prophecy thing, but it never came into play where we see Anakin's issue with the prophecy...

It would be nice to see Anakin struggle with himself being something more, or having some destiny that he doesn't want to accept, but is forced to for some reason or another...  Comes to accept his fate in a dark way, which explains why he is the way he is in ROTJ.

nightstalkerpoet said:

Just a thought - would be really cool to see a living krayt dragon in one of the edits, making the same noise Ben uses in ANH:R 

Oh don't worry....George is secretly working with FOX to make one last release before rights revert to Disney. The Krayt Dragon will now make an appearance in ROTJ. In the Rancor scene it will come out of a totally new part of the cave...eat the Rancor, we cut to Luke who hears the disembodied voice of Qui-Gon saying "There's always a bigger fish"....Luke looks confused cause he doesn't know who's voice is talking to him.....but then has to escape the Krayt. It'll be very exciting...and very dense. You'll probably have to watch it at least 10 times to catch it all. 

nightstalkerpoet said:

muddy... that kinda hurt. 

There was absolutely no offense intended....not sure where you thought there was.