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The Starlight Project Addendum: The Rise of Skywalker (Freeform Brainstorming Session) — Page 4

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Here’s an attempt at the hangar scene with a bit more wiggle room:

“Rey… wherever you are… you are hard to find.”

“You are hard to get rid of.”

“I pushed you in the desert because I needed you to see it… I was wrongYou don’t belong to the Light, Rey…”

“You’re lying.”

I’d never lie to you… your parents were no one. But they didn’t start out as junk traders.

“Don’t!”

As the Sith’s loyal subjects, they were assigned a child to raise…"

“I don’t want this!”

“…and then kill."

“No!”

But they’d learn how to love, so they went into hiding.

(Rey sees the vision of her parents and her abandonment.)

“Rey, my love… be brave.”

“You’ll be safe here… I promise.”

“Come back! Nooo!”

Upon Palpatine’s revival, they became desperate.

“Stop talking.”

“Rey… I learned what happened to them.”

(Cutaway to heroes capture)

Your parents sought Luke’s protection, searching the Jakku desert for his allies… but Palpatine’s assassins tracked them down. They resisted fiercely, only to be forgotten by the sands of time."

(Rey sees her parents get killed.)

“So that’s where you are.”

See you soon.

…etc

“Why did the Emperor come for me? Why did he want to kill a child? Tell me.”

Because Palpatine needed a host. One that was modified with his genetic code. You don’t just have power…you have/rival his power.

Palpatine views you as nothing more than a leftover liability. But what he can’t see is that we’ve become a Dyad in the Force, linked by Snoke, but grown beyond that. We can end him and the Sith, and create something new, together…”

(Removes his helmet)

“You know what you need to do. You know.”

“I do.”

And as a bonus, some decidedly less vague D-O related dialogue:

“This droid has…thank you, I appreciate that. General?”

“General.”

"This droid has scanned every planet he ever visited.”

“Wait, coneface?”

“D-O”

“Sorry, D-O”

Rey believes he went to Jakku with Ochi of Bestoon.

“Why was Ochi going there?”

“To find a dead child he was supposed to take from Jakku, to the Emperor.”

I had wanted that last bit to be “To bring a child that untimely died on Jakku, to the Emperor” but didn’t think the words would convincingly match Finn’s lips. Essentially, Rey is making assumptions about what D-O knows, not realizing she may not be the child Palpatine was looking for. Finn, having a fuller picture, takes that to make the final assault on Exegol into a rescue mission for Rey.

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As an audience member I’d have a lot of questions about why they’d be assigned to raise and kill a child, as that phrasing makes it sounds like a single overall assignment.

And I still have a hard time getting over that Rey’s mother looks just like her.

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Hal 9000 said:

As an audience member I’d have a lot of questions about why they’d be assigned to raise and kill a child, as that phrasing makes it sounds like a single overall assignment.

And I still have a hard time getting over that Rey’s mother looks just like her.

I agree with the first point. Currently trying to find a way to make it sound like there was a change in their directive after a few years. That’s what the next line should imply “But they’d grown to care for you…”

I can fix the second point quite easily. Deepfakes have become easier as of late.

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Holy shit… I think I’ve figured it out. This is how we bridge Rey Nobody and Rey Palpatine. While this definitely isn’t canon, it’s what George Lucas would have actually preferred - according to a book he intentionally spelled this reveal out in ROTS but didn’t want to directly reveal it:

“Rey… wherever you are… you are hard to find.”

“You are hard to get rid of.”

“I pushed you in the desert because I needed to see it… I needed you to see it… who you are. I know the darkness that lives in you, Rey…”

“You’re lying.”

“I’d never lie to you… your parents were no one… junk traders burdened with a child they never planned for.”

“Don’t!”

“They grew to care for you, regardless. But someone watched them from the shadows."

“I don’t want this!”

“Palpatine wanted you."

“No!”

“Your parents were hunted across the galaxy. Remember them.”

(Rey sees the vision of her parents and her abandonment.)
“My love… be brave.”
“You’ll be safe here… I promise.”
“Come back! Nooo!”

“They paid for your protection… in more than one way.”

“Stop talking.”

“Rey… I learned what happened to them.”

(Cutaway to heroes capture)

“Your parents sought Luke’s protection, chasing rumors of a congregation in the Jakku desert… but Ochi tracked down the ship they stole. They resisted fiercely, only to be forgotten by the sands of time."

(Rey sees her parents get killed.)

“So that’s where you are.”

“You know why the Emperor wanted to capture you. I’ll come tell you.”


“Why did the Emperor come for me?”

“Because his influence over the Force spawned two dark bloodlines. My grandfather’s. Then, perfected with you. You… are Palpatine’s heir.”

“You were created to inherit the legacy of the Sith as a Palpatine. But what he doesn’t know is that we’ve become a dyad in the Force, Rey… two, linked by raw power. We can end him and the Sith, and create something new, together…”

(Removes his helmet)

“You know what you need to do. You know.”

“I do.”


This way, we can keep every instance of characters referring to her as a Palpatine. We can also keep the Reylo kiss, because genetically they are two distinct bloodlines. The dyad existing between them makes sense because they are both products of Palpatine using the same manipulation of the Force. Later on, we’d need to reinstate “I never wanted you dead. I wanted you here, with me.” The goal would be to try to make it clear that he preferred Rey initially as his vessel, but when he lost her he shifted to Kylo. He wants Rey dead at the beginning of this movie simply because she has chosen the path of a Jedi - it’s not that complicated. He sent Kylo to kill Rey because he knew the superior bloodline would survive the encounter. Finally, Rey taking on the Skywalker name makes a hell of a lot more sense, because she was created the same way as Anakin.

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YES! It leaves room for other Palpatine experiments/clones but it uses his known tool, and works for all the reasons you chose it. It’s also compatible with the chosen one prophecy without using that term. Really excellent.

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For sure, that was always a problem I had with the clone angle. Because Palpatine would never want an artificially produced lifeform as his final host - that’s too scientific and weak. We see how his clones are falling apart when he possesses them. He’d want someone natural, constructed from the Force itself by influencing the midichlorians to produce a being like that somewhere in the galaxy. Whether his final choice is Kylo Ren or Rey, he doesn’t particularly care. This way, his clones were always a stepping stone and merely the first part to his resurrection.

As for the chosen one prophecy, it just makes it all hilariously ironic. Palpatine (and earlier Plagueis) thought he was creating the ultimate Sith host with alchemy, but instead they were creating the people the Force would use to destroy the Sith over and again.

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The only thing I might consider adding, is making it clear he had other experiments (implicitly including the Palpatine clone he now inhabits), but that Rey or Kylo still would be better vessels. I’d also include an angle about Palpatine wanting to kill her if he couldn’t possess her - but I think this core principle is the right angle.

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“I’d never lie to you… your parents were no one… junk traders burdened with a child they never planned for.”

“Don’t!”

“Did you know that Vader’s mother was a nobody, too?"

“I don’t want this!”

“Palpatine chose you."

“No!”

“Your parents fled across the galaxy. He hunted them.”

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EddieDean said:

The only thing I might consider adding, is making it clear he had other experiments (implicitly including the Palpatine clone he now inhabits), but that Rey or Kylo still would be better vessels. I’d also include an angle about Palpatine wanting to kill her if he couldn’t possess her - but I think this core principle is the right angle.

I’d love to include that as the first sentence of the final paragraph, but we’d miss out on “as a Palpatine” which is essential for the rest of the movie’s dialogue to make sense.

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And if we want to retain Palpatine wanting to kill Rey (which fits better with TFA/TLJ):

“You know why the Emperor wanted to kill you. I’ll come tell you.”

“Why did the Emperor want to kill me?”

“Because he only needed one vessel from the two dark bloodlines he sired. Vader’s, or the one he perfected with you. You… are Palpatine’s heir.”

"We were created to inherit the legacy of the Sith. Skywalker and Palpatine. But what he doesn’t know is that we’ve become a dyad in the Force, Rey… two, linked by raw power. We can end him and the Sith, and create something new, together…”

(Removes his helmet)

“You know what you need to do. You know.”

“I do.”

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This would even be compatible with him wanting Luke to strike him down in RotJ- his spirit could pass to a child of either bloodline, making the ending of RotJ an apparent Win-Win for him, failing only because he wasn’t truly struck down, but chucked away by Vader out of love for Luke, not anger at Palpatine.

It also makes sense that he didn’t inhabit Vader, since he was unexpectedly crippled at Mustafar. Any of these four (Vader, Luke, Kylo, Rey) could have been apprentices until they became hosts- also having Palpatine cheat the rule of two (the apprentice must supplant the master) by making a bloodline that he’d take over in continued life even if they followed that doctrine.

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The problem with him wanting to kill her as a child is that he went out of his way to create her through the Force just a few years prior. She hasn’t done anything to warrant being killed at that point - everything would be proceeding exactly as he intended. It makes sense he would start corrupting Ben and want her dead only after she disappears.

Technically all Snoke says about Rey in TFA is to have Kylo bring her to him. The fact that he wants Kylo to kill her in TLJ would still line up with the idea Palps was fully invested in Kylo at that point after witnessing she “has the spirit of a true Jedi”.

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Agreed, but we’ve seen him want to kill her (via Snoke/Kylo) in movies prior. I think it’s acceptable to imply he wanted one of Kylo and Rey to kill the other to prove their worthiness. I think it’s worth it for how much it adds to their collective myth with such compatibility with existing canon. If Kylo is also apparently worthy then it also explains why the Dyad is so powerful to him- it’s the power of both bloodlines, an unexpected best possible outcome.

As an aside, maybe we want to use other dialogue to imply that all of his Snoke/clone experiments were only ever intended to be temporary hosts at best.

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As I said before, nobody ever wanted to kill Rey in TFA. Snoke just wanted to see her in-person to assess her, and Kylo wanted to train her. In TLJ, Snoke says she must die because she “[has] the spirit of a true Jedi!” Palps says the same thing at the beginning of TROS: “Kill the girl. End the Jedi.” It’s clear she was only ever a target because of her allegiance with the Jedi. When Ben turns back to the light, Palpatine has no choice but to bank on turning Rey from the Jedi path and possessing her. Wanting to kill her himself before her experiences as a Jedi just doesn’t make a lot of sense if he specifically decided to create her. It would be like making an exquisite painting only to use a blowtorch on it because somebody else made a similar one you might be interested in buying.

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This is definitely a direction I’d considered, but didn’t pursue because it is built on Prequel lore that isn’t explained in the prequels themselves. Also, according to that lore, wasn’t Anakin born as a direct response to Palpatine’s experiments in the Force? This is why Anakin is the chosen one, because he is the Force’s answer to correct the evil that is Palpatine.

For Rey to be another chosen one like Anakin would imply that she is meant to be another force of light to counteract the evil of the Sith, which goes against the idea that Rey is genetically or spiritually a Palpatine and thus is destined for evil.

To fix this, you seem to be changing the lore from Palpatine’s experiments creating an opposing reaction to counteract evil to Palpatine intentionally creating vessels for his dark spirit as a way to gain immortality.

So if I understand this correctly, Palpatine created Anakin so that he could inhabit his body after Anakin destroyed him, and this was only thwarted on Mustafar. Then he tried again with Luke, and again it failed. After that, he decided to create a new vessel with Rey, since at the time the only surviving Skywalkers were out of his reach and control.

It could definitely work. It would also feed into Kylo’s motivations, and perhaps most of his explanation to Rey in their fight could concern his family history and what Palpatine was trying to accomplish with it. He could say that all of the Skywalkers are drawn to the darkness by their nature as beings created by Palpatine as his spiritual heirs, and Rey is just his attempt to perfect this process as you say.

This would also give Leia a good reason to abandon her Jedi training, and it comes at a point in the story where such an explanation makes a lot of sense.

“Because you’re a Palpatine.”
“Leia sensed your darkness as well.”

“Leia was quick to learn in her training. However, she feared the darkness that had lived inside my father, and still lived within me. She surrendered her saber to me and said that one day it would be picked up again…by someone with the strength to finish her journey.”

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Dayum… I just realized it would even explain why Luke acts so uncharacteristic in TLJ to many people when he attacks his nephew. It’s the fact that the Skywalker bloodline was literally created to be evil Sith murderers. Yeah, like I said, this is going against canon, but in my conversations with several Star Wars fans over the past few years there are people that genuinely believe Palpatine created the Skywalkers. It’s heavily implied in ROTS, was supposed to be confirmed in that film, and was genuinely the direction George was going.

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Yep, and Leia’s son being evil by default becomes a natural outcome of this concept, so much so that it’s surprising to Snoke that he is being drawn back to the light.

I think this could definitely be the optimal solution to this Rey Palpatine problem, especially since it brings everything full circle. If Kylo told Rey that Palpatine’s attempts to achieve immortality led to Anakin’s birth, then Palpatine’s return would probably be signified by another such birth…hence Rey.

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Nev, I’m glad you pointed out about Leia, I’d thought that and wanted to emphasise it too, but then forgot. It’s a great reason for why she gave up her training.

And, as you say JJB, it also helps deal with one of the common issues people have with Luke in TLJ. It even explains his hesitance to train her, and his shock when she went “straight to the dark”.

As Nev says, it’s built on something inexplicit in the movies- but something intended by Lucas and one of those things that’s included in the novelisations and widely known to be canon, to the degree that it’s likely enough to reappear in new canon works too. Besides, why not reinforce it here too, giving the original idea the explicit references it deserves?

We don’t even need the chosen one prophecy here- Palpatine’s involvement in Anakin’s birth was not directly related to the chosen one thing anyway, it’s just that some Jedi thoight he was. I really like the idea that Palpatine had these really watertight plans, but that irony or the Force kept freeing his creations from their dark origin.

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I’m proud of my rough draft posted earlier, but I like what you’re getting at with focusing more on the Skywalkers with the speaking time allowed to us. They are in the title of this movie, after all. Instead of Rey seeing visions of her parents, she could instead be seeing dark moments of the Skywalkers (Luke attacking Ben, Kylo killing Han, etc.) But we don’t want this to take away from Rey’s own backstory being filled in more. Also, I’d like to make it very clear that it’s still a bad idea for Palpatine to want Rey dead as a child if that wasn’t clear enough lol.

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Jar Jar Bricks said:

Instead of Rey seeing visions of her parents, she could instead be seeing dark moments of the Skywalkers (Luke attacking Ben, Kylo killing Han, etc.)

If we did do this, we could actually just revert back to her parents selling her for drinking money. They had a child they never wanted, so it makes sense. Then they were too drunk to remember where they sold her to. Holy shit this is amazing. It’s the exact opposite of how loving Shmi was.

EDIT: Only problem would be their ship being the same as Ochi’s. But we might be able to fix that somehow.