The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 658

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’m of the opinion that Leia needs to have a very specific reason for abandoning her Jedi path in order for it to be satisfying. Plus, this way she is explicitly following in the footsteps of her mother, Padme.

If it is because she thought it was more helpful to be a politician, why is that? If she would’ve remained a Jedi she wouldn’t have had to look for Luke all throughout the trilogy to gain his help. They could’ve just been fine with her.

I always thought the theatrical version of that scene had a much more compelling reason with her sensing the death of her son at the end of her Jedi path. She felt pressured to make a decision base on her premonition vs her just choosing a different lifestyle.

Also, it kinda connects nicely to her body not disappearing until the death of her son and in effect making that the end of her Jedi path.

My two cents.

DZ-330 said:

Luke talks to Kylo? Have “See ya around kid” from TLJ actually foreshadow TROS 😉

Unfortunately he also said he doesn’t want to upend Luke’s epic first appearance. Not unless it were something truly warranted and seamless. I can’t think of any Kylo scene off the top of my head where it would help.

krlozdac said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’m of the opinion that Leia needs to have a very specific reason for abandoning her Jedi path in order for it to be satisfying. Plus, this way she is explicitly following in the footsteps of her mother, Padme.

If it is because she thought it was more helpful to be a politician, why is that? If she would’ve remained a Jedi she wouldn’t have had to look for Luke all throughout the trilogy to gain his help. They could’ve just been fine with her.

The Resistance wouldn’t have even existed in Episode 7, for one thing. The relationships she made helped form it. Luke’s Jedi Order was also very secluded from the galaxy (and for good reason, look at what happened last time).

The only place I can think of is when Ben picks up Rey’s body: he quickly jerks his head and looks around the area as if he heard somebody speaking. Luke could say something to him there. Not sure what exactly.

There’s already a lot happening in the intro of the movie, and there wouldn’t be any visual reaction if Luke spoke to him. So that’s a tough sell imo.

I’d love to make the parallels with Anakin more apparent there. “Ben. Finish what your grandfather couldn’t.” Then he proceeds to save the one he cares about from certain death. But like you said it might detract from the personal moment between Ben and Rey.

I think it works well enough as is without it. I would think that it’s worth it to revisit the idea of having Luke saying “Lesson three” or “Final lesson” during the Ach-To conversation seeing as it’s more plausable now.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Luke sounds absolutely AMAZING. Here is a way we can reintegrate Leia having known about Rey’s struggle with the dark side:
https://youtu.be/70vGJBB7YMQ?si=cK7ZOptoAtGYwtbD

And here is a line to give Leia some closure with the Jedi that makes sense in canon:
https://youtu.be/QM-xl2GirK8?si=QiRJpNAiBfeDP8-R

I’m using default TROS for both of these examples just for ease of use. v4 is shaping up to be pretty epic though.

This is sounding really good. Not sold on the lines specifically, but I’ll have a think.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

And here is a line to give Leia some closure with the Jedi that makes sense in canon:
https://youtu.be/QM-xl2GirK8?si=QiRJpNAiBfeDP8-R

How about: “…bring about greater change through diplomacy, like our mother once did, than the jedi path”?

Yeah, it could be argued this Luke line to Ben is unneeded, but otherwise it’s only Han and Leia that reach out to him and help him in TROS:

https://youtu.be/REXY9RKk87M?si=UKCP_Fs0CaClCXxN

Plus, it gives an explanation for how the hell he suddenly knows how to Force heal. Luke could have parted that wisdom to him. Definitely doesn’t need to be in this edit whatsoever, but I might consider it for my own personal copy.

As for the other Luke lines, I want to wait until we have a general consensus on what he should say before I generate anything else.

Yeah but this is the same Luke who had decided that the Jedi needed to end because they were flawed. And by the end of TLJ he is taught that the next generation needs to grow beyond the past Jedi.

But I see your point regardless. For me, it’s either we make the saga’s theme of sacrificial love conquering selfish love more apparent or we just leave it as-is

RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:
Do you have a Finn by any chance? I’m dying for a Finn.

I have not made one yet but I’ve already planned to. Lmk if you have something particular in mind, because the type of sample you make depends on what you want him to say.

Basically 3 ideas, all trying to tie in better with TFA/TLJ, and also trying to boost Rose a bit.

• “Where’s Rose when you need her.” when they’re working on the busted Falcon before crash landing on Kef Bir. Either on that first shot of smoking panel or a couple secs later off screen under his breath when Rey is staring into the distance before she says “He killed my mother…”
• “We need to fight them. All of us.” or something like that. A final line to cap off her conversation with Jannah on the Falcon, try to bring his arc full circle from TFA (“there is no fight against the First Order”) through his growth in TLJ and try to show some sense of inspiring these stormtroopers for later. Could be difficult to place, would need to manufacture a new reaction shot of Jannah.
• “Rose, let me save you this time.” instead of the vaguely patronizing “Rose, please” during the final battle when he wants them to leave without him

And then I actually have an ambitious idea that probably wouldn’t work, which is to, at the end of the Exegol battle, as it transitions into the planet montage, continue Finn’s dialogue. In the film he says “people are rising up all over the galaxy,” and then while we see the planets we’d hear him say “We’ve sent everyone a message. Whenever evil rises, there will always be good people to face it.” Which would hopefully bring some resolution to the dropped thread from the first two films of the repeating cycles of good vs. evil and such.

I’m going to echo DZ’s concerns on that last one. I think a lot of people are using Rekindled because they can’t stand that Rose scene at the end.

That’s a much more suitable replacement, DZ.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

I’m going to echo DZ’s concerns on that last one. I think a lot of people are using Rekindled because they can’t stand that Rose scene at the end.

That’s a much more suitable replacement, DZ.

I honestly wasn’t sure what he meant by mentioning Rekindled so thanks for clarifying. Personally I don’t have an issue with that scene (besides the kiss that went nowhere) and have never watched Rekindled so I’d prefer my version obviously, although I get why some might want something different (does Legendary have that scene?).

“Belong” is a good callback, although might confuse anyone who hasn’t seen that scene or doesn’t remember it, it doesn’t seem as intuitive a phrase for him to say in the moment.

I have to admit I feel a little guilty igniting a whole new voice AI fervor right after Hal announced retiring after these projects are done, but this all started because I have my own plans to eventually work on my own edits, or help with other projects, so I hope there is no pressure on Hal to consider any of these changes beyond what he wants, but we can still have these discussions here even if they are used for other projects or to create a resource of assets.

Speaking of the Luke stuff, I think there is a way to get these ideas across without straying very far from what he already says and making feel new dialogue feel out of place.

Luke: Because you’re a Palpatine [cut for Rey Nobody, but honestly you could cut it for both versions and focus on the dark vision if you wanted]

Luke: Leia knew it, too. [or] Leia saw it, too. (for the Rey Nobody version but could work for both)

Luke: Because she saw your spirit, your heart. She knew, because some things are stronger than blood.

(This is just my opinion but I feel like Luke’s following guidance would work better to me more about Rey’s personal journey rather than focusing on her physical one. It can work both ways, but this feels more like personal guidance from a father figure and less like orders from a general)

Luke: Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. Your destiny. If you don’t face it, it will mean the end of the Jedi. And you will be lost.
(I also feel like you could replace “your destiny” with “always” or “a constant struggle” to tie better into the theme of “bringing back the balance” and balance not being permanent, but something that must be maintained)

Regarding the Leia exposition, I have always felt it is kinda silly that Leia ended her training on the literal last night of her training. The exposition also feels weird in general that Leia sensed so much specific things, and then have Luke explain all of that to Rey. Basically we’re told she sensed/had a vision that 1) if she became a Jedi, her son would die, and 2) that someone would one day use her saber and “finish her journey”.

“You’ll take both sabers to Exegol” also feels like a very forced statement from a script standpoint. Even though we are often adding dialogue to clarify plot details for other scenes, I feel like in this case Luke’s dialogue would feel more natural if most of what he was saying was more general, which in effect feels more personal. But I have to admit I do like DZ’s version that mentions their mother! A nice callback that would help make this final film feel full circle. The wording of that version is very nice as well.

Dom, I may need to be PM you, but my ideas regarding tying up Finn’s arc are very similar to yours. I also have some ideas to expand on that theme of cycles repeating, which I may share on the Sequel Trilogy thread.

“Rose, I can feel it. This is my destiny.”

Speaks to his force sensitivity and how he’s feeling like the Force has been guiding his journey and makes it so this sacrifice is different from his TLJ one where he was sacrificing himself just because he didn’t want the First Order to win.

RogueLeader said:

Speaking of the Luke stuff, I think there is a way to get these ideas across without straying very far from what he already says and making feel new dialogue feel out of place.

Luke: Because you’re a Palpatine [cut for Rey Nobody, but honestly you could cut it for both versions and focus on the dark vision if you wanted]

Luke: Leia knew it, too. [or] Leia saw it, too. (for the Rey Nobody version but could work for both)

Luke: Because she saw your spirit, your heart. She knew, because some things are stronger than blood.

(This is just my opinion but I feel like Luke’s following guidance would work better to me more about Rey’s personal journey rather than focusing on her physical one. It can work both ways, but this feels more like personal guidance from a father figure and less like orders from a general)

Luke: Confronting fear is the destiny of a Jedi. Your destiny. If you don’t face it, it will mean the end of the Jedi. And you will be lost.
(I also feel like you could replace “your destiny” with “always” or “a constant struggle” to tie better into the theme of “bringing back the balance” and balance not being permanent, but something that must be maintained)

I think at one point someone pitched Luke saying “Leia saw your dark vision(s) too.” Slightly awkward wording maybe, but straight to the point and would work for Rey Palpatine or Rey Nobody.

“You’ll take both sabers to Exegol” also feels like a very forced statement from a script standpoint. Even though we are often adding dialogue to clarify plot details for other scenes, I feel like in this case Luke’s dialogue would feel more natural if most of what he was saying was more general, which in effect feels more personal. But I have to admit I do like DZ’s version that mentions their mother! A nice callback that would help make this final film feel full circle. The wording of that version is very nice as well.

I think it was suggested at one point to remove the “you’ll take both sabers line,” don’t remember if Hal did that, but I think it’s a good change, regardless if you replace it with anything. He’s kind of stating the obvious in a way, but also it allows for a little “oh I forgot about that” surprise when Rey lights it up later.

Dom, I may need to be PM you, but my ideas regarding tying up Finn’s arc are very similar to yours. I also have some ideas to expand on that theme of cycles repeating, which I may share on the Sequel Trilogy thread.

DM away, please!