The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released) — Page 416

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

Hal 9000 said:

It’s just one shot that can be cropped? Yeah, that might be fine, then.

Correct, the lightsaber does not appear in her conversation with Leia right after.

I find it funny how Merry of the Resistance was delegated as the “try to explain Palpatine’s return in as many different ways as possible” character. It’s hilarious.

He’s basically the audience trying to “rationalize” how Palpatine came back via a verbal bullet point of possibilities.

So in some ways, he breaks the forth wall maybe? Lol.

That’s precisely why this particular line should be removed. We have honed in on the whole cloning thing so we needn’t muddy things up any further.

Let me put it this way: when he says that there “were always whispers” that he was searching for ways to live forever, that retcons the original trilogy. In the OT, nearly all of the galaxy thought Palpatine was a normal dude that got disfigured by the Jedi. And Palpatine would have only ever shared his cloning plans with his Sith loyalists on Exegol. So there is no reason why there would be rumors around the known galaxy of that type.

That said, I think the most important thing here is removing the lightsaber appearing in that shot. Do you believe that is possible?

Jar Jar Bricks said:

ThisIsCreation said:

Totally I understand. His cut of not worked really well to fix it but I understand wanting the structure to remain the same.

Thought I’d bring it up here incase anyone wants to give it a shot and fix it with vfx

Who ever said it would have to involve VFX? I just removed the portion of the shot where the lightsaber is visible.

https://youtu.be/FSPREteSKcU

Personally I find this very abrupt and don’t think it works.

Also it’s strange how we hear Merry quietly say in the background of that shot, “There were always whispers of his hunger to cheat death.” Like, what? Why would the galaxy at large ever have reason to believe that? Most of them didn’t even know he was a Sith in the OT.

That’s never explicit in the OT.

Also, it’s just a continuity error. Not worth messing up a scene to fix.

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

I’ve fixed the audio up a bit: https://youtu.be/vDvO06C6gxk

It’s funny that you call this change abrupt because you could say that about just about everything in this movie. You’re right to a certain extent though, I would prefer to remove her grabbing the book entirely. I’m just not skilled enough to do that unless somebody has some basic footage of the crowd I could slot in there for the beginning of Poe’s line to play first.

DZ-330 said:

Not sure if this is something to be discussed in this thread, but has anyone found a good way to remove Rey healing the worm? I think it works better for the story if the only “force healing” is a result of the Dyad between Rey and Ben.

For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.

Not sure if that is worth pursuing due to the scene of The Child in The Mandalorian.

EDIT: Rather than make a new comment, I’ll address one of the best head canon answers as to why force healing isn’t an issue. The Jedi at the time of the prequels clearly believe that if someone is about to die, then that is the will of the Force. Therefore, they would view the ability of Force Healing as an abomination (even though it is light side in nature). My personal belief is that they withheld knowledge of that ability from everyone except Jedi masters who had access to restricted knowledge if they wanted to. Thus another reason why Anakin was pissed about not becoming a master. Sorry about the rant.

DZ-330 said:

For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.

Not to get too off-topic and talk about another fan edit in this thread but I know Krausfadr did exactly this in his edit of TROS.

jarbear said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DZ-330 said:

Not sure if this is something to be discussed in this thread, but has anyone found a good way to remove Rey healing the worm? I think it works better for the story if the only “force healing” is a result of the Dyad between Rey and Ben.

For the sake of the whole saga, it just opens up WAY too many questions. Maybe it can be adjusted for for the worm creature to be scared of her darkness or something along those lines.

Not sure if that is worth pursuing due to the scene of The Child in The Mandalorian.

EDIT: Rather than make a new comment, I’ll address one of the best head canon answers as to why force healing isn’t an issue. The Jedi at the time of the prequels clearly believe that if someone is about to die, then that is the will of the Force. Therefore, they would view the ability of Force Healing as an abomination (even though it is light side in nature). My personal belief is that they withheld knowledge of that ability from everyone except Jedi masters who had access to restricted knowledge if they wanted to. Thus another reason why Anakin was pissed about not becoming a master. Sorry about the rant.

THat, or they had to do it in Mandolorian to help “justify it” in this movie since it pretty much … invalidates the plot in ROTS. Lol.

Anyway … I think the conversation about the lightsaber disappearing and reappearing error and Merry’s quote would be neat to fix if it doesn’t cause any visual or timing issues.

I mean, for me it actually kinda enhances the plot of ROTS under the thinking I shared. If Anakin knew that Yoda had knowledge about an ability which could save his wife but instead he told him to rejoice the death of those around him, I would be super angry. Maybe not go on a murder spree, but definitely extremely angry at the Jedi.

And Anakin certainly had his suspicions (“I know there are things about the Force that they are not telling me”). Even the film suggests that by becoming a master he would have access to those things. It’s actually in the novel as well.

Shoot, I’m dragging us further away from the topic again. Sorry.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

Nope. I think you explained yourself why it’s not explicit.

I’ve fixed the audio up a bit: https://youtu.be/vDvO06C6gxk

It’s funny that you call this change abrupt because you could say that about just about everything in this movie. You’re right to a certain extent though, I would prefer to remove her grabbing the book entirely. I’m just not skilled enough to do that unless somebody has some basic footage of the crowd I could slot in there for the beginning of Poe’s line to play first.

This is 100% more abrupt than anything in the movie. You’re right that removing it would work better but it’d still hurt the scene.

I’ve gotten the materials to make the puppets, but I honestly kind of wanted to see what snooker comes up with first!

DominicCobb said:

Jar Jar Bricks said:

It is actually explicit in the OT:

“You, my friend, are all that’s left of their religion.” Sure, he’s talking about the Jedi there, but Vader is a Sith and he still talks about him in that way. He’s basically saying he’s the last force user. And Tarkin is a high-ranking individual in the Empire!

Nope. I think you explained yourself why it’s not explicit.

Nope. I think I explained myself why it is in fact explicit. I clarified that “religion” is in reference to the ability of using the Force, not the misconception that he meant the Jedi.

There are other canon sources which prove my point. In the novel Tarkin, he has a suspicion that Palpy and Vader are Sith Lords, but he doesn’t know for certain nor does he want to ask any questions regarding it. In the novel Lords of the Sith, Palpatine tells Vader that he “can’t be seen using the Force” to get them out of a sticky situation.

Of course, you probably don’t care about what canon says. I’m just trying to point out to you that Tarkin’s line can easily be interpreted that way, and is in fact interpreted that way by canon.

In conclusion, I would highly advise removing Merry’s line which suggests that everyone knew about Palpatine’s Sithiness in the OT, but it’s ultimately Hal’s decision.

There’s a difference between the words “explicit” and “implicit.” I’ll leave it at that.

Yeah, but I’m not the one who brought that word into the conversation to begin with.

The most important factors should be that it is the canon answer and also makes the most sense (imo) given the content in the previous films of the saga.

I’m going to take a look at the audio in that scene to see if Merry’s background speech could be removed without deleting the actual visuals.