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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 234

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ben_danger said:

^i have tried cutting PT parts with music from similar periods as the OT, or earlier if we imagine TPM came out in 1968.

My favourite two are Clash of the Titans, and Ben-Hur. But that is only because I have those. Someone did an amazing music cut of the pod race to a Close Encounters a while back.


Interesting, I'd like to see it.  I've been looking at other star wars soundtracks for ideas mostly, and even found a few.  Mostly I think I'd want to avoid using too much music from other movies mostly because it might be too recognizable and/or clash with the existing movie soundtrack.....but it'd be cool to see.

 

fishmanlee said:

One thing to think about is that there is music that was not used, so if those pieces were reinstated it could sound much better.

True.  To be fair, I haven't combed the AOTC soundtrack very extensively, but most of the geonosis battle really does feel like a pastiche of canned music from the OT and TPM from what I can hear, but i'd love to see some restored music tracks and see if it injects more life into it.

I have a possible candidate for an alternate track, but I'll have to wait until I get back home tonight where my footage is to see how it plays out.

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I used subtle John Williams cues from different films like Jaws and Close Encounters. The trick is to use music without any recognizable themes.

 

 

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not always. I believe the most common themes tha came from williams are because the are recognisable. and stayed to the years of cinema due the nature of easy hearing and repetion of the same theme in different tones throuougt the movies.


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What he's saying is that if you hear a recognizable theme from "Close Encounters" or "Jurassic Park" while watching a Star Wars film, you will probably be distracted by the recognition and out-of-placeness.

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Oh ok :)

Yeah many good music cues can be used for replacing the PT music

I can think for miklos rotza and some of john barry. Even the animation Heavy metal had awesome music from Elmer Bernstein are easily can replace the boring cues :)


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timdiggerm said:

What he's saying is that if you hear a recognizable theme from "Close Encounters" or "Jurassic Park" while watching a Star Wars film, you will probably be distracted by the recognition and out-of-placeness.

What he said.

If I'm watching Star Wars and all of a sudden I hear the Indiana Jones theme, I better see a man in a fedora pretty quick or my brain will flat-line.

 

 

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mrbenja0618 said:

timdiggerm said:

What he's saying is that if you hear a recognizable theme from "Close Encounters" or "Jurassic Park" while watching a Star Wars film, you will probably be distracted by the recognition and out-of-placeness.

What he said.

If I'm watching Star Wars and all of a sudden I hear the Indiana Jones theme, I better see a man in a fedora pretty quick or my brain will flat-line.

I agree, you couldn't get away with it..............unless your name is Tarantino

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I hear Rebecca Black makes excellent replacement music.

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Angel said:

Oh ok :)

Yeah many good music cues can be used for replacing the PT music

I can think for miklos rotza and some of john barry.

Damn it Angel!

Now You've got me wishing that Rots had 60s James Bond-esque soundtrack again!

Aw Man!

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Has anyone thought of using John William's Dracula score to accompany Christopher Lee?

 

Just wondering...

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Not sure if this has been suggested before, and I don't really want to dig through 234 pages of ideas, so here's mine.

What if we deleted The Phantom Menace altogether and, through reconstitution of deleted scenes (as well as little bits of TPM) make Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith into three films?

It makes sense imo, as TPM is basically completely inconsequential to the saga, but it would probably be pretty hard to execute.

“I’m in a dark theater. The movie starts, and I start to see things that I recognize.” - James Cameron on Terminator Genisys

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^ i have often pondered on this, but would approach it in a completely different way.

1) AOTC would be episode I, ROTS would be episode II.

These would be heavily editted to the point that the entire drive of the plot would be unrecognisable. fan filmed subplots* would begin to build the pilot/wookie/soldier/smuggler plotlines that the PT missed.

the new EPIII would then be a complete fan-film about the Empire dealing with these subplots. Then when we see luke and obi-wan in EPIV, they, like yoda, would have been missing long enough to emphasise their time away from the limelight.

The advantages of cutting TPM, is that the characters and story would be much more akin to ANH, where the entire universe suggests that great events have transpired previously.

The great thing about a new 'filler' film between II and IV is that the Jedi can literally be extinct, so when Han appears to be oblivious to the jedi later on, we can understand this a bit more.

If Lucas ever does make the Live action tv-series then maybe that could be used. Until then maybe we should just dub firefly and pretend.....

*SUBPLOT IDEAS

Beru and Owen, as the han and chewie of the series earlier on, now, fleeing various entaglements with baby luke

If Padme doesn't die, stuff she could be getting on with

Replacing Dooku as we know him with Jedi Dooku, and NOT killing hm off in ROTS. The new film would maybe focus on his redemption. He dies at the end.

The emerging rebel alliance, with teenage leia stepping up later on to take more control.

Maybe something with Biggs, or the droids.

^These can all be mulched together to an extent.

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Judge said:

Not sure if this has been suggested before, and I don't really want to dig through 234 pages of ideas, so here's mine.

What if we deleted The Phantom Menace altogether and, through reconstitution of deleted scenes (as well as little bits of TPM) make Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith into three films?

It makes sense imo, as TPM is basically completely inconsequential to the saga, but it would probably be pretty hard to execute.

That's kinda what I've been doing, just as a TV miniseries sort of thing. It works really well, because the Episode 1 "resolve the attack on our sovereignty in the senate" and Episode 2 "we need Amidala here" and "create the Clone Army with a vote" things fit together nicely.

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greenpenguino said:

Has anyone thought of using John William's Dracula score to accompany Christopher Lee?

 

Just wondering...

Wow....I have some friends who have told me that's the best version of Dracula ever, but I've never seen the movie or heard the soundtrack before, and I just pulled it up on youtube.  It's definitely worth culling through for material.

I honestly find it amazing enough that Lucas was able to cast Christopher Lee in a role called Count D. with a long black cape and was able to somehow avoid being lambasted for doing something so absurdly fourth wall-breaking (maybe it just wasn't important considering everything else that was wrong?).

Either way, I don't know if Dracula is the right direction, but going back to the blandness of the AOTC score....did Dooku even have a theme?  I remember Darth Maul's theme.  I remember General Grevious' theme.  Maybe Dooku did....but I sure couldn't remember it to save my life, which is not good.

Be he a rogue Jedi, or a Dark Lord of the Sith, someone needs to find a better theme that fits with his character because he's underdeveloped enough as it is.

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Sepharih said:

greenpenguino said:

Has anyone thought of using John William's Dracula score to accompany Christopher Lee?

 

Just wondering...

Either way, I don't know if Dracula is the right direction, but going back to the blandness of the AOTC score....did Dooku even have a theme?  I remember Darth Maul's theme.  I remember General Grevious' theme.  Maybe Dooku did....but I sure couldn't remember it to save my life, which is not good.

Did Moff Jerjerrod have a theme? did Tarkin have a theme? Did Belloq have a theme in Raiders?

the closest thing would be the Mystery theme.... (and AOTC's score is not as bland in Williams intended version without loops or tracking.)

John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/

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fishmanlee said:

Did Moff Jerjerrod have a theme? did Tarkin have a theme? Did Belloq have a theme in Raiders?

Well, Belloq isn't really a good example considering he's from a totally different series with huge differences in themes and ideas.  Not every villain needs his own theme in every film series....but we're talking about Star Wars.

Moff Jerjerrod is.....a nobody.  He barely even counts as a sub-villain in a movie next to the Emperor and Vader.

Tarkin is the closest....but even he ultimately is just a sub-villain alongside the real central antagonist, Darth Vader....who didn't even get his theme until the next movie (though I'm totally not against inserting it into ANH's score).

Count Dooku seems like he's supposed to be the central antagonist in the movie, but he comes in so late and he's so underdeveloped that it's kind of hard for him to leave an impression.  Giving him a theme would help.

fishmanlee said:

the closest thing would be the Mystery theme.... (and AOTC's score is not as bland in Williams intended version without loops or tracking.)

I'm sure you're right, which is why I mentioned it earlier.  The final product though...yikes......it needs an overhaul stat.

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Wouldn't that contribute to him feeling underdeveloped?

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Vladius said:

Wouldn't that contribute to him feeling underdeveloped?

What?  Dooku having a theme?  How so?

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Dooku, as the Sith lord for two of the prequel films, does IMO need a theme. In my fan edit, I'm using Xizor's theme as a substitute. Works really well.

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MrInsaneA said:

Dooku, as the Sith lord for two of the prequel films, does IMO need a theme. In my fan edit, I'm using Xizor's theme as a substitute. Works really well.

I would like to see/hear that.

 

 

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mrbenja0618 said:

MrInsaneA said:

Dooku, as the Sith lord for two of the prequel films, does IMO need a theme. In my fan edit, I'm using Xizor's theme as a substitute. Works really well.

I would like to see/hear that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILopiSIRm4c

 

One of Dooku's lines is hard to hear at the end, the "You must join me Obi-Wan" line. But other then that, I think it works magnificently. I'm also working on combining THE DESTRUCTION OF XIZOR'S PALACE and XIZOR'S THEME with the final lightsaber battle, and it's also coming out great. 

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Sepharih said:

Vladius said:

Wouldn't that contribute to him feeling underdeveloped?

What?  Dooku having a theme?  How so?

I'm saying it might feel undeserved if there's not enough character development through the scenes in the movie to begin with.

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Vladius said:

I'm saying it might feel undeserved if there's not enough character development through the scenes in the movie to begin with.

Well, my view is this:

At the end of the day, nothing beats good old fashioned character development and exposition on the screenwriting level....but music can work as a substitute up to a certain point.

Giving Dooku a theme doesn't make up for lack of development in his character, but it does give him more uniqueness and personality which isn't a bad thing no matter how you look at it.  If Dooku is the central antagonist of the movie (or a sub-in for one at least), then it makes sense to me to do everything that is possible to strengthen him as a character.  Whether or not his character is deserving of an epic John Williams-ish theme is certainly debatable, but at least it would give him something to stand out.


 

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This is really rough and needs sound FX as well as further audio editing, but I just wanted to see how people felt about this as an alternative to the silly "high ground" dialogue in ROTS.

I've seen some edits that cut the whole section entirely, but I do like the idea of having one last dramatic moment between obi and anakin before the final strike.....but I wanted to get a second and third opinion before I put more into it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi80u8eFCKM