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AOTC: Final Fight

Get Sideshow figures of Anakin/Mace/Dooku/Jango Fett/Blue Clone Trooper/Green Clone Trooper.

Then with stop motion animation:

-Have Jango Fett not face Mace in the arena and get killed.Then have Anakin and Mace with two clone troopers(blue&green one) with them go to the hangar to face Dooku and Jango Fett.Have Mace tell Dooku,how could you Dooku,you were a Jedi?Dooku force pulls the blue clone trooper to him and ignites his lightsaber into his chest and says and now I am a Dark Jedi.

Then Dooku somersaults over to Anakin and the two have a lightsaber fight.
The green clone trooper starts shooting at Jango and Jango flies up with his jet-pack and shoots the green clone trooper with his flamethrower.Then Mace Force slams Jango to the ground and somersaults over to Jango to slice him with his lightsaber.

But Jango ignites his jet-pack and goes sliding across the floor and crashes into Mace's legs making Mace fall to the ground face first and Mace's lightsaber goes sliding across the floor.

After Jango slides across the ground with his jet-pack,Jango gets up takes out both of his pistols and turns towards Mace.Anakin and Dooku's fight has come to a stop because Anakin is Force choking Dooku where Dooku is hovering two feet off the ground slowly having the life squeezed out of him (Anakin's eyes turn to Sith eyes).

Anakin lets go of Dooku when he sees that Mace needs help.Dooku falls to the ground choking.Anakin slices Jango's pistols in one swing.Jango has blades come out of his gauntlets and Jango slices Anakin in the face with them giving Anakin the famous scar.

Jango then shoots a tether out of his other gauntlet around Anakin's neck and Jango flies up with his jet-pack and tosses Anakin across the room where Anakin slams into the rock wall and then slams onto the ground.Anakin's lightsaber goes sliding across the room away from him.

Jango lands back on the ground and shoots a missle from his jet-pack at Anakin.Anakin Force pushes out of the way and the missle hits the rock wall above Anakin.The rocks come falling down on Anakin,but Anakin Force holds most of them from landing on him.But one big rock gets by and lands on Anakin's right arm pinning him to the ground.

Mace gets up and Force picks up his lightsaber and quickly swings it behind him as he blocks Dooku's lightsaber from killing him.Mace and Dooku fight.Mace asking Dooku why he left the Jedi order and Dooku telling Mace why.

Jango walks towards Anakin and picks up one of the clone troopers rifles and says to Anakin,time to die Jedi.Anakin Force grabs his lightsaber and quickly ignites it as Jango starts blasting him.

Anakin is blocking the blasts.Then In the middle of Mace's fight with Dooku,Mace slices the rifle in half and then keeps fighting with Dooku.Then Anakin Force throws his lightsaber at Jango where it ends up decapitating Jango.Anakin's lightsaber comes back to him and Anakin just watches helplessly as Mace fights Dooku.

Until Dooku slashes Mace's arm then leg making Mace fall to the ground.Dooku tells Mace he is sorry as he is about to kill Mace.Anakin cuts off his own hand that is stuck under the rock and flips over to block Dooku's lightsaber from killing Mace.

Anakin vs Dooku again.This time Anakin's eyes turn back into Sith eyes as Anakin uses the Force to make everything in the room hit Dooku as they have their lightsaber fight.Some object hits Dooku in the head and thats when Anakin jams his lightsaber into Dooku's chest killing him.




 

 

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Stop motion of model humans is probably not going to look convincing.

It works (contextually) in the golden age of stop motion cinema because it's like with like (I imagine what is seen as ropey CGI now will be seen in a similar way by future generations).

One of the reasons why the current PT doesn't match the feel of the OUT is because of the miss-match between CGI elements and real filmed elements, it looks like someone has dropped a plastic animation of a character or creature into or over a filmed element.

Stop motion Luke in ESB is only seen from a distance for a few moments, yes it's obviously a model but it's possible to park that thought because it's a film of a particular period, the human character is obscured and that is probably the only way they could have got that shot.

Some of your suggestions include dialogue changes.

How do you propose to maintain consistency with the performances elsewhere in the films?

Would you re-dub all of Christopher Lee's lines so that the new lines matched the old for example?

I'm also not sure how many of the actions you describe assist the story.

They might be fun bits of action choreography but the problems with the PT as it exists aren't really down to a lack of choreographed action, but more down to a lack of story and character development.

I'd rather see some of those mute Jedi replaced with characters you could care about before they die than have more toy on toy action, personally.

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I think, when it comes to the PT, a lot of good things have been done in fan edits already.

But... there are certain key things that are much more difficult to fix than others. Cutting out all of Jar Jar's annoying antics from TPM is simple enough. But making Anakin's fall seem more believable is much more difficult.

I think the problem here starts with TPM. George Lucas intentionally portrayed Anakin as a perfect little angel, but that really deters from developing into the future of the character. I mean yes, we have some fear and the attachment. But he has no aggression at all, whatsoever, in the first film and I think that creates some problems. This could be fixed by re-inserting the scene where he shows some aggression during the pod-race. (But not the fight with Greedo... that scene wasn't very good. lol)

Now when we see Anakin in Episode 2, he comes across as depressed. And he complains. And he argues with his master. He becomes a whole different person. And then when his mother dies, he goes on a killing spree. However he manages not to fall to the darkside.

And then in the Clone Wars, he seems to be doing better than ever. The reason I like the Clone Wars is because we finally get to see Anakin as the hero he was alluded to be in the OT.

But then, in ROTS, Anakin continues to be fine in the first half... has a bad dream, falls to the Dark Side in the second half and proceeds to kill younglings.

See... Anakin's fall to the Dark Side seems very patchy in the way it was portrayed. It doesn't really flow like it should.

So how would we go about fixing this? It's a big issue since it is such a pivotal part of the plot of the PT, yet it will be VERY difficult to edit this.

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<span>AOTC: Final Fight</span>

<span>Get Sideshow figures of Anakin/Mace/Dooku/Jango Fett/Blue Clone Trooper/Green Clone Trooper.</span>

<span>Then with stop motion animation:</span>

<span>-Have Jango Fett not face Mace in the arena and get killed.Then have Anakin and Mace with two clone troopers(blue&green one) with them go to the hangar to face Dooku and Jango Fett.Have Mace tell Dooku,how could you Dooku,you were a Jedi?Dooku force pulls the blue clone trooper to him and ignites his lightsaber into his chest and says and now I am a Dark Jedi.

Then Dooku somersaults over to Anakin and the two have a lightsaber fight.
The green clone trooper starts shooting at Jango and Jango flies up with his jet-pack and shoots the green clone trooper with his flamethrower.Then Mace Force slams Jango to the ground and somersaults over to Jango to slice him with his lightsaber.

But Jango ignites his jet-pack and goes sliding across the floor and crashes into Mace's legs making Mace fall to the ground face first and Mace's lightsaber goes sliding across the floor.

After Jango slides across the ground with his jet-pack,Jango gets up takes out both of his pistols and turns towards Mace.Anakin and Dooku's fight has come to a stop because Anakin is Force choking Dooku where Dooku is hovering two feet off the ground slowly having the life squeezed out of him (Anakin's eyes turn to Sith eyes).

Anakin lets go of Dooku when he sees that Mace needs help.Dooku falls to the ground choking.Anakin slices Jango's pistols in one swing.Jango has blades come out of his gauntlets and Jango slices Anakin in the face with them giving Anakin the famous scar.

Jango then shoots a tether out of his other gauntlet around Anakin's neck and Jango flies up with his jet-pack and tosses Anakin across the room where Anakin slams into the rock wall and then slams onto the ground.Anakin's lightsaber goes sliding across the room away from him.

Jango lands back on the ground and shoots a missle from his jet-pack at Anakin.Anakin Force pushes out of the way and the missle hits the rock wall above Anakin.The rocks come falling down on Anakin,but Anakin Force holds most of them from landing on him.But one big rock gets by and lands on Anakin's right arm pinning him to the ground.

Mace gets up and Force picks up his lightsaber and quickly swings it behind him as he blocks Dooku's lightsaber from killing him.Mace and Dooku fight.Mace asking Dooku why he left the Jedi order and Dooku telling Mace why.

Jango walks towards Anakin and picks up one of the clone troopers rifles and says to Anakin,time to die Jedi.Anakin Force grabs his lightsaber and quickly ignites it as Jango starts blasting him.

Anakin is blocking the blasts.Then In the middle of Mace's fight with Dooku,Mace slices the rifle in half and then keeps fighting with Dooku.Then Anakin Force throws his lightsaber at Jango where it ends up decapitating Jango.Anakin's lightsaber comes back to him and Anakin just watches helplessly as Mace fights Dooku.

Until Dooku slashes Mace's arm then leg making Mace fall to the ground.Dooku tells Mace he is sorry as he is about to kill Mace.Anakin cuts off his own hand that is stuck under the rock and flips over to block Dooku's lightsaber from killing Mace.

Anakin vs Dooku again.This time Anakin's eyes turn back into Sith eyes as Anakin uses the Force to make everything in the room hit Dooku as they have their lightsaber fight.Some object hits Dooku in the head and thats when Anakin jams his lightsaber into Dooku's chest killing him.
 

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I'm new here. I've been obsessively reading this thread, though, because I've really wanted to fix these movies for a long time.

 

Three main ideas:

1. Anakin is the "droids" of the prequels. What do I mean by this?
In the original Star Wars, 3PO and R2 were the perspective characters, based on a duo of peasants in the Hidden Fortress who observed the action. Most of the opening is spent on them, and their wandering through the desert has a surreal, wondrous, almost art film quality before they meet Luke.

I think Episode 1, starting off not only a new film series but the entire series, should have a similar character. I think this character should be (an obviously much more quiet) Anakin. This fits in with R2 being, as Ben Burt described, a sort of toddler. He's childlike and takes things in from a distance, helping out when needed. This also works as foreshadowing, for him becoming more machine than man.

The film could start off on Tatooine, with Anakin going through a normal day and running into something much larger than himself. He would be beneath the notice of everyone until after the podrace. He need not have actually built the podracer, but he could be a podracing fan and an amateur tinkerer and student of mechanics who does much, much better once Qui Gon teaches him to tap into the Force. This "opening" also has parallels to Luke having work to do at the beginning, except that Anakin is literally enslaved, which garners more sympathy.

2. Totally Radical Changelings
So, the opportunity for a changeling to do something interesting in Episode 2 was completely shot, except for being able to use a line about it.

With all the ideas about Grievous transforming into Maul, Qui Gon being Dooku, Palpatine hiding his true appearance, the identity of Darth Vader, and so on, I decided to try and make them all into something cohesive.

The Jedi rely a lot on Eastern philosophy and religion. Why not incorporate something else? Namely, reincarnation.

So, in this new prequel universe, one of the uses of the Force, particularly for its most powerful adherents, is to become a changeling. Becoming a changeling allows you to reincarnate. This is how Yoda has lived 900 years, how Palpatine is an ancient evil, and where Force ghosts come from. Midichlorians can stay (yay! :D) as the kind of cells that rebuild your body after its passing, so Anakin having them (and comparing his amount to Yoda's) actually means something.

However, if you are evil, and your soul is corrupted, you require machinery to preserve your new body.

Prime examples: Qui Gon, after his death as a renegade but a good guy, is reincarnated into Dooku, no machinery. Darth Maul is a changeling who is reincarnated as General Grievous, the "droid general." Palpatine tempts Anakin with the idea that he can give Padme this reincarnation (perhaps giving up his own, making it seem more plausible,) which is already established at this point, and he is clearly a master of it. As proof of concept, perhaps Palpatine manipulated Dooku into giving his reincarnation to Jango, turning him into Boba, which also explains why his ghost doesn't show up after he dies.

This provides additional reasons for why a clone army would be so valuable in this time of shifting identities: they're all exact copies of non-Force people, so they can't change alliances after they die.

To preserve the surprise of Darth Vader's identity, you could give all changelings some sort of "tell" that differentiates them from other people (maybe a ring or a twinkle, nothing too serious,) and give the newly-suited Vader this quirk, letting the audience know that this is someone else who has come back, and telling them to keep an eye on him to try and figure out who he is. Since so many bad guys have died, he could be any of them. Anakin actually dies at first.

This also means we don't need to do complicated work trying to turn actors into other actors. Just reincarnate them, like in Doctor Who.


3. Padme is a warmonger.
It's way more interesting that way. Just cut out some stuff, and she's a war hawk for the Republic, spurring Anakin on until she realizes the problems of her actions. Combined with the reincarnation idea, this adds some tension - the audience knows she's not pure enough for it to work, as much as Anakin believes. The Queen keeps decoys because she's paranoid. The Queen attacks the Federation head on and takes down Valorum because she's headstrong. Padme accepts Anakin's genocide, because she might have done the same in his position. Padme quips about diplomacy with sarcasm, which actually makes it funny. Dooku/Gunray want to kill Padme because she'll create the army. I'm sick of weepy Padme, and this gives her personality and makes it believable that she could be Leia's mom.

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I've always liked this idea, but it could never be acomplished. 


I always thought that Episode 1 needed a Chewbacca/Han Solo pair of characters. The "regular guys" so to speak. So my idea is that instead of Jar-Jar, we have the two Republic pilots for Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, be the sidekicks. When I envision these two, these images come to mind.

 http://th09.deviantart.net/fs4/PRE/i/2004/257/f/1/Gungan_Smuggler_by_StuCunningham.jpg


 http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/8/8a/RicOlie.jpg

NOTE: I'm not suggesting Ric Olie' as still being the "Captain Obvious" guy, he'd be an entirely different character. An older gruff starpilot and his alien sidekick would be a nice nod to Han and Chewie, while not being a complete rip-off. 

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Vader23 said:

AOTC: Final Fight

Get Sideshow figures of Anakin/Mace/Dooku/Jango Fett/Blue Clone Trooper/Green Clone Trooper.

Then with stop motion animation:

-Have Jango Fett not face Mace in the arena and get killed.Then have Anakin and Mace with two clone troopers(blue&green one) with them go to the hangar to face Dooku and Jango Fett.Have Mace tell Dooku,how could you Dooku,you were a Jedi?Dooku force pulls the blue clone trooper to him and ignites his lightsaber into his chest and says and now I am a Dark Jedi.

Then Dooku somersaults over to Anakin and the two have a lightsaber fight.
The green clone trooper starts shooting at Jango and Jango flies up with his jet-pack and shoots the green clone trooper with his flamethrower.Then Mace Force slams Jango to the ground and somersaults over to Jango to slice him with his lightsaber.

But Jango ignites his jet-pack and goes sliding across the floor and crashes into Mace's legs making Mace fall to the ground face first and Mace's lightsaber goes sliding across the floor.

After Jango slides across the ground with his jet-pack,Jango gets up takes out both of his pistols and turns towards Mace.Anakin and Dooku's fight has come to a stop because Anakin is Force choking Dooku where Dooku is hovering two feet off the ground slowly having the life squeezed out of him (Anakin's eyes turn to Sith eyes).

Anakin lets go of Dooku when he sees that Mace needs help.Dooku falls to the ground choking.Anakin slices Jango's pistols in one swing.Jango has blades come out of his gauntlets and Jango slices Anakin in the face with them giving Anakin the famous scar.

Jango then shoots a tether out of his other gauntlet around Anakin's neck and Jango flies up with his jet-pack and tosses Anakin across the room where Anakin slams into the rock wall and then slams onto the ground.Anakin's lightsaber goes sliding across the room away from him.

Jango lands back on the ground and shoots a missle from his jet-pack at Anakin.Anakin Force pushes out of the way and the missle hits the rock wall above Anakin.The rocks come falling down on Anakin,but Anakin Force holds most of them from landing on him.But one big rock gets by and lands on Anakin's right arm pinning him to the ground.

Mace gets up and Force picks up his lightsaber and quickly swings it behind him as he blocks Dooku's lightsaber from killing him.Mace and Dooku fight.Mace asking Dooku why he left the Jedi order and Dooku telling Mace why.

Jango walks towards Anakin and picks up one of the clone troopers rifles and says to Anakin,time to die Jedi.Anakin Force grabs his lightsaber and quickly ignites it as Jango starts blasting him.

Anakin is blocking the blasts.Then In the middle of Mace's fight with Dooku,Mace slices the rifle in half and then keeps fighting with Dooku.Then Anakin Force throws his lightsaber at Jango where it ends up decapitating Jango.Anakin's lightsaber comes back to him and Anakin just watches helplessly as Mace fights Dooku.

Until Dooku slashes Mace's arm then leg making Mace fall to the ground.Dooku tells Mace he is sorry as he is about to kill Mace.Anakin cuts off his own hand that is stuck under the rock and flips over to block Dooku's lightsaber from killing Mace.

Anakin vs Dooku again.This time Anakin's eyes turn back into Sith eyes as Anakin uses the Force to make everything in the room hit Dooku as they have their lightsaber fight.Some object hits Dooku in the head and thats when Anakin jams his lightsaber into Dooku's chest killing him.



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Not to offend you sir, but I laughed like crazy reading this post, because I kept imagining the Robot Chicken stop-motion Star Wars characters in this scene. Also, the small specific stuff like the fact that it had to be a GREEN Clone Trooper, was pretty amusing.

Don't let it discourage you though. No such thing as bad input. Keep those posts coming!

 

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MrInsaneA said:


I always thought that Episode 1 needed a Chewbacca/Han Solo pair of characters. The "regular guys" so to speak.

I always imagined Owen and Beru being pre-clone republic troopers. They would be the happy-go-lucky troopers who would eventually become war ravaged and long for the simple life.

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ben_danger said:

MrInsaneA said:


I always thought that Episode 1 needed a Chewbacca/Han Solo pair of characters. The "regular guys" so to speak.

I always imagined Owen and Beru being pre-clone republic troopers. They would be the happy-go-lucky troopers who would eventually become war ravaged and long for the simple life.

Wow. That's actually a fantastic idea. 

 

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Its already shrunken and we already see that widen up with the wrong way is worst that remaining to the usual path.(most of the EU, games, comics etc)

Its like the story needs Ben, Bail and Anakin as main protagonists and Tarkin palpatine megatron as the shadow forms or twists.

The idea tho that owen seem so cryptic might be a nice small story arc.


-Angel

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Angel said:

Its already shrunken and we already see that widen up with the wrong way is worst that remaining to the usual path.(most of the EU, games, comics etc)

Its like the story needs Ben, Bail and Anakin as main protagonists and Tarkin palpatine megatron as the shadow forms or twists.

The idea tho that owen seem so cryptic might be a nice small story arc.


-Angel

Did you just....Megatron?

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Would you prefer if he had said JarJar?

Bingowings said: Do you want to see the project finished as a playable film or a flick book?

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fishmanlee said:

I don't know, Kinda shrinks the universe.

I think it's too easy to say that. I always thought these characters in OT that had bit parts, but had a past would be more important in the prequel films. Like Owen and Beru, Mon Mothma. Almost as if by the time we see them in the OT it's like a nice cameo/reminder of the past, and a passing of the torch for the new generation.

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i wouldn't say owen and beru as PT characters would shrink the universe at all. i'd say having tatooine/coruscant/naboo featuring at the centre of galactic affairs every five minutes shrinks the universe!

i think both dagobah and tatooine should have had similar treatments in the PT, both temporary hideouts like the asteroids or hoth in ESB. so when we see them in later on its almost like a planet cameo.

a trivia question to people wiser than me - was tatooine actually named tatooine in the original STAR WARS (ie in a screenplay or novel)? i think the name is first mentioned on screen in ESB, and then i assumed linked to the desert world in ROTJ. 10 points to the winner.

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plus what we lacked in the PT was central characters who represent the common un-privaleged un-jedi joe in the galaxy. han solo, biggs, even princess leia really, all represent the people who we as human beings can be.

it sort of makes sense that the narrative would revolve around the same family of characters.

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ben_danger said:

plus what we lacked in the PT was central characters who represent the common un-privaleged un-jedi joe in the galaxy. han solo, biggs, even princess leia really, all represent the people who we as human beings can be.

it sort of makes sense that the narrative would revolve around the same family of characters.

Y'know, I just don't understand why they couldn't of had Owen be Anakin's actual brother in the Prequels. It would of made his decision to leave his mom somewhat more understandable: Owen would take care of her as the "man of the family" which means that Anakin wouldn't look like a total jerk for never coming back to her.


Plus, we'd have a nice little competitive brother relationship to play off of. Owen never really wants to do anything wrong, and likes to stick to his chores. Anakin on the other hand is the risk taker, and always succeeds at whatever he does, which annoys Owen to no end.

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Or go down the ROTJ novelisation route and have Owen, Obi-Wan's brother and only know of Anakin through the line Ben drops Owen just as he drops off some orphan and a whole load of danger oh his brother's doorstep, hiding Luke on a desert planet that Anakin has never heard of (oh nuts that would take a re-write).

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Bingowings said:

Or go down the ROTJ novelisation route and have Owen, Obi-Wan's brother and only know of Anakin through the line Ben drops Owen just as he drops off some orphan and a whole load of danger oh his brother's doorstep, hiding Luke on a desert planet that Anakin has never heard of (oh nuts that would take a re-write).

Nooo, but then we lose the whole "Binary Sunset theme." What do I mean by that?

Simple. Anakin and Luke both rose from obscurity to become great heroes while raised on Tatooine. And while Anakin's sun set in the P.T. Luke's sun rose in the O.T. (METAPHORS! :D)

Anyways, I always liked the Tatooine connection to the Skywalker family. I'd hate to see it go.

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I have attempted doing a mock up myself, but lets face it..I am no Angel when it comes to mock ups.

 

I thought it would have been better in the prequels if the republic looked like the empire. I do not think where is a real need for precurses,

 

The clones should have just look like stormtroopers

The republic ships just should have been star destroyers.

 

It would have looked great!

 

 

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Something Like this

 

 

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One idea that might sound a bit bonkers again but someone out there might like it.

Re-number all the episodes in the saga so ANH is Episode 1.

Start the new Episode III with Luke finishing his training on Dagobah and Yoda dying but confirming to Luke that Vader was his father and then kick off the new improved PT withTPM through to an improved ROTS and then have Episode VI be a  new improved ROTJ minus the Yoda scene.

It's a variation on Doubleofive's suggested viewing experience but with the order built into the edit.

Instead of seeing Vader and Palpatine viewing the construction of Death Star 1 they could instead be arriving to land on the Death Star 2 leading into ROTJ.

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Let me again point out that my article is based on cap's post and has a link to it. It wasn't my idea, I just wrote an article on it.

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Apology to Cap, it's understandable that Mr Ofive will stick in my mind more because Cap rarely posts.

But the general idea is still there.

There are undeniable benefits in that viewing order but as an alternative to the Godfather II style edits of bouncing back and forth it would make sense to have the PT episodes introduced, so to speak, by OT characters on route to the events of ROTJ.

Renumbering the episodes would make the viewing order implicit.