The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 213

WhatsMyName said:

I found nothing wrong with TPM and ROTS.

Um...okay....

For people wanting to put some wrecked towers into Coruscant there are some nice digital tower wrecks in Resident Evil : Afterlife which could be manipulated to scale up to Coruscant size.

Hey man, you know I'm not very good with special effects, but if you need help editing any sections of that edit, let me know, I'd be happy to help.

vaderios said:

bobgarcia74 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-qGBN7dFvo

Very funny ;)

You might want to post it there so Tv's can take ideas ;)

Bah....too much OT for me. ;-)

vaderios said:

bobgarcia74 said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-qGBN7dFvo

Very funny ;)

You might want to post it there so Tv's can take ideas ;)

 

-Angel

Actually for that scene I remember there was a suggestion about making Vader say "your mother once thought the same way you do" instead of "Obi Wan once thought"... that'be an excellent compliment to what you've got achieved in that video Bob. ;)

Flashbacks are there (if I didn't misunderstand) since it's an all-in version of the saga. I'd rather go with just the "your momma" part.

Couple of mockups I did, BTW

1) More neutral colours plus... Sith cloakes aren't supposed to be dark??

2) Retroing some displays with Angel's classical recipe. ANY colour makes a better display than yellow doncha think?

3) Welcome to the Jedi military section. Greyish, ala Xmen mansion.

4) However, more than grey sets, grey ships sell that OT feeling for me. And why did Coruscant's sky have to be not-blue(ish)?

The carpet is a decission I made to give the picture a little more balance and not to leave it so monochromatic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnGhc93_3_0

The treaty they had, had some kind of loop hole that could only be passed if the Queen of Naboo signed. Always been my take on it.

IIIIEEEE've got a few more things, (Radical Redux)

   I don't know if anyone's reincorporating the deleted PA scenes in ROTS. I thought that, with alot of work, the deleted scene of PA before the senate in AOTC might be added to ROTS. Cut the assassination part, and keep pressing others to war. Add her to the ROTS senate chamber. Might be a fun edit and make her a more central part of ROTS. Above all, ROTS must have a four hour runtime ;)

   For the effort to turn JF into BF: Has anyone tried cobbling some PM dialogue (showing OW the clones) to say something like "A bounty hunter named Fett...." and "...,who we acquired as a boy,...." It would mean losing the JF/OW:PI head game,:( but it would save precious time.

   I'd like to see a showcase for JW's sweeping romantic/classical SW saga themes. Montages seem to be the best device for that. I've seen that there is an edit centered on OW combining the PT. Maybe a radical edit centered on the romance in AOTC and ROTS or on the life and POV of PA throughout the PT.

   For PA, maybe a romance/tragedy about her life with musical/cinematic montages and brief glimpses of key events to cover the actions of other characters outside of PA's presence and incorporating all of the deleted scenes of PA.

   For the couple's romance/tragedy, montages and brief glimpses of events of others and of PA and AS when they are not together and remove all references to PA having been queen. All deleted scenes of them together reincorporated.

   Back to the combo, I'm ignorant of the capacities and downloading of DVD5 and DVD9. It seems as though some editors want a very quick and tight cut while I'm throwing up problems because I can't bear to lose any of the georgous visuals. Two versions? One has three 45 minute sections while the other has 53 to 56 minute sections?

   Maybe the shortened versions of the lab droids scene and the  (PE deleted) Dex at the diner and OW consults with Yoda scenes could be reincorporated using a musical montage (no dialogue).

In the 45 minute section, maybe start the musical montage with seeing a shortened  Dex sitting with OW, then a shortened lab visit, then shots of Ow sitting in the library, then Yoda, then ending with hearing dialogue when OW and MW walk out to the Platform.

   For the long version, maybe start musical montage at the end of Dex/OW talk.

    For Dex, maybe start the scene with OW and Dex already seated and recolor/alter Dex's clothes so he doesn't look like a short order cook.

   For Naboo romance in the 45 minute version, Maybe start the musical  montage as they kiss by lake then sweep through the picnic (first part of PA telling of her past and smiling, then go to meadow rodeo (first part of ride then maybe cut to roll) then to dining room up to laughing about negotiations and ending by fireplace hearing "Tell me...."

   Maybe a musical montage beginning with OW behind the astroid and transitioning OW all the way to conference table in less time then hear PE's conference.  :)

edit:   Okay, that's truly it for the jedi and fan-edits. Just trying to get everything on the table.  I know that when I get too fussy it just goes backwards. Sorry. The fun part is seeing what, if anything, the fan-editors do with the notions on the board. I might try a couple of rifs on non fan-edit topics.  Thanks and apologies to all who have slogged through my grammar and SYNTAX ERRORS. MTFBWY :)

Don't know if this is against the forum rules. But considering I'm trying to develop an idea by parts (not that everything came to my mind in the same

moment); with every improvement or new idea I have that's related to previous ones, I'm gonna post the whole chain of them, just to let anyone who steps in

the thread get the idea and not to make him/her go backwards to look for the previous-chained idea.

General Idea: GOING TO A MORE OTISH PLOT in ROTS. (Character centred). I assume that one of the main differences between PT and OT is how cosmopolitan feels

the new trilogy when opposed to the OT. So even if some character and situations are necessary, my goal here is to find a way to make the story of ROTS be driven by the main characters. So as far as in the OT we had this "trilogy" or characters Luke-Han-Leia, I think that the most close we have to that in the PT is Anakin-ObiWan-Padmé.

I had this idea in mind, which I think that could tie a little bit some things. Of course, it wouldn't preserve the WTF moment of ESB. But still, I find it (and hope you too) very interesting. Of corse I don't pretend that just by putting in excercise this only idea all the problems of the PT would be solved, but let's see.

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"He was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" - "Annie was a good friend"

Well, immaginin' an all-PT-episodes fanedit saga, make it as if Obi Wan was not that impollute Jedi we see in the theatrical release, but someone more in line with the great guy, but yet tricky person we see in the OT, ala Qui Gonn. Someone who we know has great intentions however's a little rogue; a Master who could tolerate Anakin being married. Infact sharing the secret is an implicit way of showing how bonded they are as best friends. This is a process of "Han-izing" ObiWan a little, which I don't have any idea about how could it be pulled out.

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Anakin and his wife:

As I said many times before, making Anakin go right to Padmé's after Palpatine confessing he's the Sith Lord would be a hon-ron. By this, you add depth to the marriage relationship, and uncertainty, and perhaps even manipulative intelligence to Anakin's character.

To do this and yet not affect the development of the plot, we've to state how would the Jedi realize about Palpatine's identity. I've suggested that as "the dark side clouds everything" it could even be clouding the Jedi's minds so that they don't act specifically as they should. They'd rather be a little jerks here and convey in a council season (the one that there's Windu and almost the rest are holograms, which is not at the council chamber) that the Chancellor will be removed when Grievous is dead. This scene may need a little edition/tweakering to get moving though I suppose it's not a big deal.

POSSIBLE EXPANSION OF THE IDEA:

Once more, the dark side clouds everything, so considering there's a deleted scene that shows almost the same content that "the hologram council scene"; that deleted scene could make it to an edit since it shows only ObiWan, Yoda and Windu, and it'd lead us to think "hey, these are three Jedi that are making decissions as if they were even upper than the council". (This would make some of Anakins suspicions and angers be reasonable, after all he's not that wrong about the Jedi being a little jerks).

PRO:

Showing this "high command" of the Jedi order, even above the rest of the council
Giving more reasons to Anakin (and through him, till this point of the movie, to the spectator) to be unsure about the Jedi.

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So ObiWan's sent to Utapau Fights grievous, and in the meanwhile Anakin turns.

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Obi Wan's scape and afterwards.

The way I've immagined this, the message that Kenobi gets from bail's ship should be replaced. SINCE HE AND ANAKIN ARE VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER the dialogue could be something like this.

Captain:"Captain Antilles here (fan service xd). This is Senator Organa's ship"
ObiWan: "Captain my clonetrooper fired at me...."
Captain:"...it seems that there's been a Jedi rebellion sir. The jedi are being hunted. We'll send you our cordenades"

(Comunication off)

OBI WAN (face gesture of "dammit"):  ANAKIN!! (worried about him being murdered as the rest of the Jedi). (THIS IS THE TRICKY PART)

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Cut to ANYWHERE

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ObiWan reaches the Tantive

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Cut to Anywhere again

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Tantive's Cockpit:
The message again should be replaced by something like:

"His majesty (HERE is when you insert a quick shot of Obi and Yoda putting their best oh-shit faces) has requested you for a special season of the senate. We'll open the perimeter for you".

(The WTF faces ar mainly due to "his majesty"... Palpatine hasn't even declared the Empire yet. This is just a way to "inform" Yoda and ObiWan what's really happening, without giving it in the mouth, so once again, you make the characters more clever.

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HERE YOU CHOP OFF THE SCENE OF YODA AND OBIWAN COMING BACK TO ESTABLISH AN EMERGENCY CODE

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Padme's home:

The way I have this scene in my mind, I must say is very very cutted, reduced to a few lines. However I immagined it with lines that already are in ROTS, so depending on the editor's skill to include extra-movie dialogue, its lenght could be different.

ObiWan:"it appears that the chancellor's behing everything, including the war. Palpatine's the Sith lord we've been looking for. Padme, I need your help, he's in grat danger"
Padme:"from the sith??"
ObiWan: (Silence).
Padme: Not Anakin (tense silence)
ObiWan: Padme, I must find him.

Perhaps increase the lenght by adding establishing shots of Padme's building.

 
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Straight to Mustafar.

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EXPANSION/VARIATION II TO THE IDEA.

Even if the "best friends" plot line is a radical change, it came to my mind the idea of another possibility that could enhance or replace what I formerly suggested. Well besides being worried for his best friend... perhaps ObiWan thinks that Anakin's time has come...

I mean, APART from the friendship preocupation, ObiWan wants to find Anakin because he is considered "the chosen one", "the only one who could destroy the sith".... so they need to find him the same way you need to find a baseball bat when someone's punching you (bad methaphore). They need him as a weapon. And when ObiWan goes to mustafar and sees what happen... well, everything crumbles down.

How to do this??

Right after the Tantive's cockpit scene, cut to the Tantive's corridor scene, and alter the dialogue till it looks like this (once again with dialogue from the original footage)

ObiWan: Have we received any message from the "temple" (here change "temple" and put ANAKIN)? There's too much at stake master. He must know.
Yoda: (Silence)
ObiWan: With all of your respect master, isn't he the chosen one? We need him
Y: a prophecy that coulda been misunderstood
O: He is my best friend, I know he won't fail me (or something)

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Pretty radical ideas though most of the footage to do it is already out there. I'm looking to feedback to polish this up even more, so I'd be glad if you comment on this.

That's a lot of stuff. i don't know about changing Organa to Antilles just because he plays no real part in the Senate and he isn't as close to the Jedi as Antilles would be.

Btw, this is Wedge's father. in the OT Wedge was only a few years older then Luke.

I like the idea of Obi-Wan being a more mysterious character and i would like anything added to tie more of the OT with the PT since in a lot of ways, they seem like there own set of films.

I want more Qui-Gon!!!

WhatsMyName said:

That's a lot of stuff. i don't know about changing Organa to Antilles just because he plays no real part in the Senate and he isn't as close to the Jedi as Antilles would be.

Btw, this is Wedge's father. in the OT Wedge was only a few years older then Luke.

I like the idea of Obi-Wan being a more mysterious character and i would like anything added to tie more of the OT with the PT since in a lot of ways, they seem like there own set of films.

I want more Qui-Gon!!!

 Actually, it isn't a lot of stuff but three or four rather small changes, which bring a "radically changed" feeling to the movie.

The post happens to be so long since I try to be very specifical about what it'd take to do it, and want to be clear about the idea; plus, I started to include the concrete changes/edits/tweaks it'd need.

I encourage you to read it and tell what you think of that "way" to drive the movies ;)

vaderios said:

gobalicious said:

I was reading the ROTS novel, and one of the reasons why Obi-Wan left is that he saw Palpatine's shuttle approaching.

I read that there are many differences from the movie and the book.

Like Dooku's death and more explanations or alternative shots.

Care someone to tell us what are these changes so it might be possible to make them in a fanedit?

We could all read the book ;-)

I was kidding, hence the wink.

But seriously, you could read the book. =)

Or we could watch a clever fanedit that puts some of the ideas from the book into a new version of the film :-P

fishmanlee said:

WhatsMyName said:

Btw, this is Wedge's father. in the OT Wedge was only a few years older then Luke.

actually (if I read correctly) that is Antilles (the one Vader chokes) father, not sure tho

 i think it is. I've heard the same thing.

And actually, that doesn't sound like a bad idea, lets just make a stupid fan edit depicting the scenes from the novel. when i mean stupid i mean just for fun. :p