The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 211

brash_stryker said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

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Pagz said:

I don't know if this idea has been floated before, but here goes:

I've been toying with the idea of pulling together space battle footage from other sci fi movies of the late 70s/early 80s for use in the PT. Things like Battlestar Galactica, Battle Beyond the Stars, Galaxy of Terror and the like. In addition I've also been looking for Star Wars knock-off scores like Stu Phillips' Galactica score (though I think it's unfair to call such a good score a knock-off... let's call it inspired by instead).

What I have in mind is replacing special effects scenes with footage that would be more in line with the visuals in the OT. Just a thought. What do you all think? Any suggestions for source material?

didn't want this post to get lost in the faff. i have also been thinking along similar lines for a while now. it could be a really good resource if we could have a thread for random retro space footage.

I agree. Apologies I didn't comment earlier, pagz. The opportunity for comedy prevailed.

Space battle footage from almost any scifi show looks better (in the sense of being less chaotic) than ROTS for example.

Yeah but film grain will need to be worked on to match the cleanliness of the video.

or maybe the cleanliness to match the film? :p

TPM technology is fine. The ships sparked when exploded, just like in the OT movies. The other two episodes started to mess up things.  What I criticise the most, is the ultra-shiny naboo ships and fighters. PT could have done better with technology. However, I think there's gotta be some balance; I don't want that colourfull, cartoonish stuff the Invisible Hand's bridge is, that's why I support most of what Bob Garcia is doing in his edit in order to OTrize some things, but neither do I want that old, CRT in the OT. And I'm pretty sure that with some effort, it is feasible to give some coherency to the saga. Look at the cockpit of the first ship we see in TPM... it's otish, isn't it?

Look at the ARC-170 fighters... They could be pre-Xwings if they wer shown like this:

http://www.sandtroopers.com/sandwatch/arc170_tru/TRUarc009.jpg

(wel.. more or less)

But they ruin it when they

http://img.swcombine.com/ships/118/large.jpg

Quick mock up of a definitively pre-X wing arc 170 fighter:

http://img192.imageshack.us/i/cwvehiclearc170shadow.jpg/

I've said it before, but the Z-95 Headhunter would be a far better predecessor.

IMO, z-95 looks like a cheaper version, as if x wing was the full equiped car and z-95 the basical (?). ARC 170 has another design, curve lines which resemble some of the airplanes of the WWII. I edited my post and put a mock up of mine. IMO besides the wings, what makes the ARC170 not X Wingy is the nose.

Watching some of Pagz TPM clips gave me a few ideas but I'm not sure if they are suitable for his project so I'm putting them here.

Going with the conventional start up wouldn't it make more sense if the Feds didn't show their battledroids to to Republican Ambassadors?

The ship could seem to be run by normal droids R2 Units etc but the mystery would be why hasn't any living being come to meet them.

The Feds note lightsabers on the CCTV (or whatever it's called in EU land ) which confirms their most feared suspicion that the Chancellor would send Jedi (delete droid line as it's no longer needed).

Gunray orders all his non-droid crew to stay away from them because they can read and twist their minds.

They then destroy the Republic ship just in case there are more Jedi inside.

The Feds could then torch the interior of the conference chamber (starting with smoke and then with flames).

Cut the shots of the droids waiting outside the door (or change the droid line to confirm there is nothing left of them), the Jedi have escaped up a ventilation shaft leaving a gutted room and a destroyed protocol droid.

The Feds then have their conversation with the Queen convinced the Jedi are dead.

The Jedi then try to get to the bridge and encounter the battle droids for the first time in two waves (first the normal ones and then the Destroyers) and get confirmation of the Feds intension to invade when they get to the hanger.

Angel's McQuarrie's heir, don't deny it:P

I'd just have an automated hanger with a few Artoo units and those little droids you see in the Fed corridors from time to time keeping the place running.

Then the scene could play out exactly the same with no sign of a threat until the big gun pops down from the ceiling and blows the ship up.

Pagz said:

Bingowings said:

Watching some of Pagz TPM clips gave me a few ideas but I'm not sure if they are suitable for his project so I'm putting them here.

Going with the conventional start up wouldn't it make more sense if the Feds didn't show their battledroids to to Republican Ambassadors?...

That's always bothered me. The Jedi seem to have no problem seeing battledroids milling about when they land, but as soon as they see them in the hangar bay suddenly they're concerned? If I had the ability I would remove the droids from the hangar bay entirely. Alas I'm not that talented :p

This never bothered me.  Is there something in the movie where it's indicated they shouldn't be able to have security forces?  Looking at it that way, there isn't really a threat until the gun pops down.

It is meant to be a Blockade of a relatively undefended planet so the ships would be enough to hold out that pretense.

I got the feeling that if the Chancellor hadn't sent Jedi the Feds would have carried on with the pretense and fobbed off the ambassadors until they had gone.

It's the Jedi the Feds are frightened of.

In a scripted line Sidious points out to the Viceroy that they seem to be more scared of them then they are of him (I wish that line could be put back).

Having a more empty hanger would add to the mystery of the scene, enhance the reputation of the Jedi as a force powerful enough to keep peace on a galactic scale and explain the Feds preference for droids (easy to mass produce as they are they have limited abilities as an armed force).

On a separate point perhaps some of the more silly PT names could be adjusted via truncation. For example General Gree sounds more Star Warsian and less silly than General Grievous.

Heck just go all the way and shoot actors in mandalorian costumes and put them into TPM. It's what most of us thought we'd see anyway.

Or just get rid of the battle droids speaking.

Wait, when you say droids in the hangar, are you talking of the federation ship hangar?

Ive never liked that shot showing all the droids looking at the ship landing. I like an empty hangar too.

And TC-14 should be 3PO as the federation has binary load lifters right there in the hangar bay when the jedi hop out of the vent.

timdiggerm said:

I suspect this requires a lot of time and money and professionals, however...

 

Replacing CG Yoda with a real puppet?

TPM actually used a real puppet.

It looked horrid.

TPM= WORSE YODA EVER (especially that one point when he was talking to Obi-Wan and they used very lackluster CGI)

Carrying the recent flurry of PT ideas over from the ANH:R thread it shouldn't be impossible to create another pupil for Obi-Wan using the existing material.

Here's one possible remedy.

Make Obi-Wan in TPM a fully trained (by Yoda) Jedi paired with Qui-Gon for the duration of the Naboo crisis.

Make Jango Fett, Boba Fett.

Take the footage of little Boba and place it in silently in TPM in the Temple scenes and shift the dialogue aimed at Qui-Gon about not being able to have another apprentice to Obi-Wan.

Have Obi-Wan take on Anakin and have his former pupil give Obi-Wan dirty looks as he is led away to be taught by another Jedi Master.

Have the Vader persona manifest as soon as Anakin loses his mother.

Cut the actual scenes of Anakin killing the sandpeople but have them appear as dreams so Anakin and the audience feel he wanted to do it but didn't or maybe he did but blocked it out (Padme could admit love for a man who to his shame admits to wanting to kill the people who caused his mother's death but a child murderer?).

Have some of the Jedi killed by a mysterious hooded figure before Anakin's supposed fall (Vader begins as Hyde to Anakin Jekyll but we don't know that yet we have no idea who this hooded guy with burning eyes is).

Show Anakin race to the Senate building during Windu's fight with Palpatine and have Windu killed by this shadow figure.

Don't show the face on the hologram of the Sith naming of Vader (it could be that little boy from Episode One).

The fight on Planet Hot-Hot is the real problem as is Padme's death.

As someone not liked by the new Emperor and the mother of a Jedi's child/ren it would make sense that the remaining Jedi would want to hide her so maybe she dies alone and unremarked on Alderaan while one of her decoys gets a state funeral in ceremonial make-up.

Personally, I'd much prefer Anakin be the older, previous pupil and the other, current one be "Hayden".

This is how my dream edit/reshoot would play out.

We get to see the young "Hayden" overshadowed and jealous of the older, more experienced and more talented favourite, Anakin Skywalker - the best starfighter in the galaxy,  a cunning warrior and a really close friend to Obi Wan. Obi Wan is overly domineering and expects more from "Hayden". Constantly expecting him to meet the same standards as his previous apprentice.

In film 3 we see glimpses of Jedi being murdered by a hooded figure. They are being hunted.

We naturally think it's "Hayden" that turns to the dark side and becomes Vader - which isn't hard to believe as he's established as a whiny jealous little shit. Hayden acts suspiciously on screen and is absent for long periods. His excuse to Obi Wan is that he's investigating something important (or something similarly ambiguous).

Anakin announces to the council via Hologram that he's discovered that "Hayden" is behind the killings and that he's off to confront him and end it once and for all.

We see Anakin walk into a room with "Hayden" looking out a window. With the camera behind Anakin we see him ignite his saber and the door shuts in front of us.

We only see one hooded figure leave the building, which explodes and burns as the dark figure walks away. The council then believe Anakin to have been killed confronting "Hayden" who they know from Anakin's holomessage has turned to the dark side.

Of course, come TESB, it becomes clear that it wasn't "Hayden" that "betrayed and murdered" Anakin, but it was the other way around.

I've thought a lot about this, and believe it's the best way of solving every problem created by the current prequels -  the current Anakin isn't painted as any of the things Obi Wan describes Luke's father as in ANH, so we need a new one and the current Anakin becomes the other apprentice.

Impossible? Almost certainly.

But I think not actually SEEING the turn to the dark side not only solves the current problem of us knowing explicitly that he's become Darth Vader, but also gives the reveal that much more impact in TESB. With Hayden as Anakin, it's no big surprise - we hate him. With a new nicer Anakin who seems a great guy up until his apparent death, it's so much more of a shame and gives more weight to the corrupting power of the dark side - he's conspired against his own friends while keeping up the facade of being good until the time came to frame and kill the only person to know the truth, and disappeared, adopting completely the mantle of "Darth Vader".

I don't have a problem with there being some inconsistencies between the Old Republic and Anakin as described by old Ben and the 'reality' we would see in a better version of the PT.

Ben is old and it's very rare that old people don't jazz up their personal view of the good ole' days (I know I do).

Ben is also a unreliable narrator...from a certain point of view.