The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 166

Bingowings said:

You could move Kid Fett into ROTS so he is Obi-Wan's un-named but gitty looking new Padwan in key scenes (turning Jango, if you need him into Boba keeping one mysterious Fett in the series).

 Holy crap that's a great idea! :D

Padme should of just been left alive actually... That way Leia does remember her and I'd say she marries Bail Organa (underground/secretly) especially if she thinks Anakin is dead (like what Obi tells Luke, why not also tell Padme a similar story "from a certain point of view" and all. "Anakin is destroyed Padme... He's gone").

She'd be in hiding from the Empire (cos she knows that Jedi offspring would be hunted by them) and Vader thinking she's dead there would be no one really looking for her. On Alderaan Padme dies when Leia's like 3yo or something and Bail raises her from that point on. Thus Vader has no idea Princess Leia is his own child nor Luke (till the first Death Star is destroyed). Obi still takes Luke to Tattooine because it's still wiser to split them up for their own safety and Padme reluctantly agrees.

It gets rid of the really stupid line from ROTS:

"...she's lost the will to live" (YOU JUST HAD TWO BRAND NEW BABIES AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE WILL TO LIVE?! WTH?)

Also, this line has to go too:

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..." (omg wth... haha...)

You may as well say "DO NOT WAAAAAAAAANT..." At least then the audience will be laughing for the right reasons. =P Actually I think he should scream more like when the Enegizer bunny defeated him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxafIhYFOr0

hehehe...

Handbrake. It's free and good and what I use.

Handzzz said:

SilverKey said:

So Handzzz, you mean EU in Star Wars canon is fine, just as long as it's the EU you like? The Mandalorians in TCW are just as much part of the EU as the Outbound Flight storyline is, and there are fans out there who wanted to see them on the screen just as much as you want to see the Outbound Flight storyline in TCW. That said, I'd love to see the Outbound Flight project as the main storyline in a future season of TCW.

Speaking of Outbound Flight, is the book really worth the read? I love the Thrawn trilogy as well, and a book about Outbound Flight with the PT characters sounds like a great read to me. I also like how the tied the PT era and the post-ROTJ era together in the NJO series.

I like the Mandalorians, but not in the clone wars cartoon. The idea is good but the way it told, that bothers me. If you liked the Thrawn trilogy, then you will ike the Outbound flight. Timothy Zahn is a genious.Maybe im a little bit narrow-minded. But i liked some of the episodes of the CW series. :)

I bought Outbound flight from Tim Zahn himself and he autographed it and with several other hardbacks and paperbacks. He even sign some book labels so I can put them in FUTURE Star Wars novels and some other labels for my Rogues who are also fans.

Anything he writes is freaking SW gold and I'm so glad he bitched slapped Kevin J Anderson in the Hand of Thrawn duology about Mara Jade and Luke (since KJA's Lando romance angle was total crap)... Totally worth reading Silvery Key, along with the Thrawn Trilogy (genius and totally engaging), Hand of Thrawn Duology (if you wanna know what happens to the Empire at it's finale and how Luke and Mara Jade finally get together, these are the books!), and Outbound Flight (bridges elegantly the PT and the future EU nicely... Sets the stage for future occurrences within the SW timeline) .

Do not get me started on the "Mandalore" in the CWS. First off they are the "Death Watch" they are a splinter group of the Mandalore and the armor is suppose to be very different and thus THEY ARE NOT MANDALORE... That "darksaber" thing was a joke as well. Then... the actual Mandalorians from Mandalore being "pacifist"??? Way to ruin the Mandalorian Super Commandos GL... This is a race of warriors, born to fight and die for their code of conduct and honor who offer their services to the highest bidder and never break their word as such. They respect strength and the will to use it to fight for their vode (brothers/sisters), their goals, and their kote (glory).

If you're gonna have them go "pacifist" or whatever for another convoluted plot line then congrats LFL, you have just neutered one of the greatest warrior groups in sci-fi history... I saw the pre-screening of the Mandalorian Plot at LFL and I was disappointed the whole time. I don't blame Dave Filoni (cos he's actually EU knowledgeable and wanted to do some really cool things) but Lucas is definitely got his fingers in all these pies and has no idea the damage he's doing/done (ie PT for example). I could totally hear the frustration in the Dave Filoni's voice in the Q&A and constantly referenced the LFL attorney that was sitting in the audience making sure he didn't leak or say anything against LFL. Sad... I really do wish GL would turn over SW to someone who actually does care and KNOWS the universe. He just doesn't care. Everything now is all about setting up product pipelines and getting $ from them... Sick of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcjQ7t9_DGQ

the podrace slightly recolored (and rescored [with Indy music])

mrbenja0618 said:

TheBoost said:

Rogue Leader said:

Anything he writes is freaking SW gold and I'm so glad he bitched slapped Kevin J Anderson in the Hand of Thrawn duology about Mara Jade and Luke (since KJA's Lando romance angle was total crap)... Totally worth reading Silvery Key, along with the Thrawn Trilogy (genius and totally engaging), Hand of Thrawn Duology (if you wanna know what happens to the Empire at it's finale and how Luke and Mara Jade finally get together, these are the books!), and Outbound Flight (bridges elegantly the PT and the future EU nicely... Sets the stage for future occurrences within the SW timeline) .

Do not get me started on the "Mandalore" in the CWS. First off they are the "Death Watch" they are a splinter group of the Mandalore and the armor is suppose to be very different and thus THEY ARE NOT MANDALORE... That "darksaber" thing was a joke as well. Then... the actual Mandalorians from Mandalore being "pacifist"??? Way to ruin the Mandalorian Super Commandos GL... This is a race of warriors, born to fight and die for their code of conduct and honor who offer their services to the highest bidder and never break their word as such. They respect strength and the will to use it to fight for their vode (brothers/sisters), their goals, and their kote (glory).

If you're gonna have them go "pacifist" or whatever for another convoluted plot line then congrats LFL, you have just neutered one of the greatest warrior groups in sci-fi history... . I really do wish GL would turn over SW to someone who actually does care and KNOWS the universe. He just doesn't care. Everything now is all about setting up product pipelines and getting $ from them... Sick of it.

I don't hate Zahn's books, but I like my SW more about the movie characters, not just having them around to observe and comment Dr. Watson style about how awesome Zahn's new characters are. (Luke: "Gee Mara, thanks for killing C'Boath and clone-Luuuke for me. I sure hope someone takes care of Thrawn for us!")

As for the Mandalorians... I found those books dull as dirt, and as background characters in the KOTOR games the Mandalorians were adequate, but hardly memorable.

"We're a race of badass warriors. Our culture is war! But honorable... don't forget that. k'blah!" is hardly groundbreaking sci-fi. I didn't mind a different take on them on the "Clone Wars" show. I don't mind if it was faithful to the extensive linguistics Karen Traviss made up or not.

Remember, every single thing about the Mandalorians is because a dude in ESB had a cool costume. They're a tangential back-story to a background character.  The entire "Mandalorian" concept reaches back... 7 years out of the 33 year history of the franchise? 

I think it's an interesting POV to say LUCAS is the one all about money, when Zahn, Stackpole, Anderson, Traviss, and what not all became best-sellers writing in another creators toybox.

"K'blah!?|"

Ok, dude. If you're gonna bash, do it right. "K'blah" is clearly Klingnon. Sheeesh. =)

Suuure if you've got a cold ;-)

its spelled k'plah! (with emphasis on the spit!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0e_ULGkOxM&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ePbzMB8uPY&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUs3Lx1nYWA&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoY-CuX7U34


for balance ;)

TheBoost said:

I don't hate Zahn's books, but I like my SW more about the movie characters, not just having them around to observe and comment Dr. Watson style about how awesome Zahn's new characters are. (Luke: "Gee Mara, thanks for killing C'Boath and clone-Luuuke for me. I sure hope someone takes care of Thrawn for us!")

As for the Mandalorians... I found those books dull as dirt, and as background characters in the KOTOR games the Mandalorians were adequate, but hardly memorable.

"We're a race of badass warriors. Our culture is war! But honorable... don't forget that. k'blah!" is hardly groundbreaking sci-fi. I didn't mind a different take on them on the "Clone Wars" show. I don't mind if it was faithful to the extensive linguistics Karen Traviss made up or not.

Remember, every single thing about the Mandalorians is because a dude in ESB had a cool costume. They're a tangential back-story to a background character.  The entire "Mandalorian" concept reaches back... 7 years out of the 33 year history of the franchise? 

I think it's an interesting POV to say LUCAS is the one all about money, when Zahn, Stackpole, Anderson, Traviss, and what not all became best-sellers writing in another creators toybox.

Sorry I would of replied sooner but I've been on a mission for a very important part for a costume element I need to get for ESB Revisited...

Anyway, I would be glad to go head to head with you on this and if you're saying Mandalorian back story only goes back 7 years... well... That already tells me how much you know about their background and history. However, to an extent you're correct, their legend springs from some guy in an awesome costume in ESB. However, if you're gonna say that then it's good to keep in mind that everything about the Mandalore is added on anyway and only 7-years recent (which is also false btw), thus why should we care about any of this... Then why should we care about Star Wars at all? Afterall, it's ALL made up as well and added on over the decades anyway. 

But that's the thing... We do care, and to imply that we shouldn't as much or at all because the simplicity of it's origin misses the point entirely. Why even be interested in Star Wars at all then? That's for the individual person to answer for themselves as I have my own reasons as I'm sure we all do.... However, my point was that Lucas doesn't know what the hell he's doing with his "toy box" anymore and thus creates situations and issues that are contradictory to things that were established previously. Yes, it's made up, it's ALL made up... Yet, I care cos it's a interesting story and all I really wish is that the consistency and quality of the universe is cared for at the level it should be.

Further more to mock the Mandalore by interjecting your dull Klingon comparison is unwarranted. They're different sci-fi and cultures with some similar ideals but only to an extent. I'd say Mandos would tear those ridge headed freaks a new one and won't act like dirty drunken sailors in a bad pirate movie doing so (but hey, that's me). But to say that they're the same/"hardly ground breaking sci-fi", it's been done etc etc etc... Again, the point is missed. EVERYTHING in Star Wars has been done before, it borrows from everything else and it's a different spin on stuff. It's how it's arranged that presented to us that has drawn a lot of to it as fans and even now.

However, it's the presentation NOW, that I have the most problems with... It's inconsistent, contradictory, and concepts to be done for profit rather than the integrity of the story or characters and so I don't buy those novels and/or games any longer. In fact I haven't bought anything that would profit LFL in a few years at least. I know the information yes, but mainly to keep tabs on how bad things have gotten cos once again I do care since there are still many things within SW I still appreciate and I feel a bit sadder over time when I hear the utterly horrible crap that LFL expects us to buy (literally and figuratively).

As for those notable authors you mentioned (I personally love Zahn and Stackpole's work...) Yeah? And? Is it wrong for these creative people to make money? I mean it's their living right? What sets them apart from Lucas however is that these authors are hardly the gajillionare power house Lucas is. They've not been corrupted by absolute power and not been surrounding themselves with yes men who are afraid to tell them "Hey, dude... that's like... retarded". Thus there is a certain integrity in their work that is based of struggle and meaning to make us more interested in each character (and expanded new characters, Mara Jade, Corran Horn, the Solo kids... etc) as opposed to the absolute pile of nothing that's in something like Episode 1 which had no meaning or struggle we could be drawn into or care about (if anyone would like to interject here, I would like to point out that the mere existence of this thread at all that suggests radically changing these particular movies is due to a lack of everything concerning an actual story in Episode 1. lol). Those authors are the tops of the field... and have worked hard many years prior to Star Wars before getting the opportunity to expand the universe and thus I'm sure there was tons of enthusiasm and excitement in adding on to it... A hunger I'd say. Is Lucas hungry anymore...? lol I doubt it. Hutty I'd say... =P

Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur... (a Mando saying...) ;)

I was working on a surprise for everybody in vegas. I went to save it, and my computer said that my disk space was empty. I looked at the unfinished file, and it was at 41 gb. I am re-saving it and I will surprise you all sometime by the end of the week, or if you are lucky, TONIGHT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrESYBMxELk&feature=related

here is the original effectless, AOTF sourced, rescored cut of the podrace rescored

Handzzz said:

TheBoost said:

I don't hate Zahn's books, but I like my SW more about the movie characters, not just having them around to observe and comment Dr. Watson style about how awesome Zahn's new characters are. (Luke: "Gee Mara, thanks for killing C'Boath and clone-Luuuke for me. I sure hope someone takes care of Thrawn for us!")

I think it's an interesting POV to say LUCAS is the one all about money, when Zahn, Stackpole, Anderson, Traviss, and what not all became best-sellers writing in another creators toybox.

I think you entirely missed the story. There was drama between Mara and Luke, Mara had to kill Luke, beacouse that was the Emperor's last command (the book's title tells everything about the story). Luke was in love with Mara, and the solution would'n be easy. That was Zahn's geniue that she kills a clone Luke, then she was set free from the nightmares he lived in tha past years. See how lovable the characters are? You emotionally connect with them... well, if you have emotions. :P :) Waay better than the "Hey Obi, I will go kill the whole F***'in separatists becouse they try to leave the republic. I kill them, beacouse they have a different oppinion". The Separatists have no real motivation, maybe profit but in the clone wars series is about CGI. In the Zahn's book, the Emire wants back the controll of the galaxy not just to defeat the rebels, but protecting the Galaxy from a greater threat (I don't know what it is but it's mysterious, and exciting).

Yeah theres a lot of writers and books come out, but the guys like Timothy Zahn earned every single dollar he recevied.

And in the end, go see some realy good tv dramas, like 24, Third watch, or some good movies, like Leon, the proffessional. You'll see what I want to tell. Hmmm, trying to stay in topic. :D

 

I agree Handzzz, and personally as far as character development goes it's elegantly done. Luke and Mara are set into situation where they need one another which sets them up as equals and yet different in personality which causes a lot of their tension good and bad. Along with Han and Leia having Jaina and Jacen while being hunted by the Noghri while Leia starts her Jedi journey. C'boath wanted Luke to join him and to make the galaxy in the way he wants and overall Thrawn rallying the remnant of the Empire in on cohesive force again and strategically picking apart the fragile New Republic... It expands wonderfully of all the classic characters and introduced interesting new ones.

@ Boost, If there is no mystery/problem to be solved then there's no draw to the characters since there is no greater way to bring out their personalities. (I mean tactically the best way to analyse someone is to see how they solve problems and gauge their reactions and methods). If you make new characters too weak/weaker than the classic characters then you undermine people's wanting to root for them when the shit hits the fan and overall weaken the story as a whole. 

@Handzzz, I see what you're saying about the Mandalore but watering them down just sucks and I really don't like how they're going about it. Trust me, I was at the private screening at LFL a few weeks ago before they released it on CN... Dave Filoni wanted to do so much more with them while keeping them more faithful to the establised EU, but GL over ruled him on several accounts. Ah well... it's a cartoon. =P