The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 114

brash_stryker said:

Darth Venal said:

 

And exactly how would they miss out?

Watch them in production order, which is arguably the correct order anyway because of the way the stories have been written.

 

Well the fact of the matter is, new viewers are going to watch them in chronological order. That's just how numbering films works.

This is a fan edit forum. And a thread for radical changes. If you're fine with small changes then why are you here?

 

True... The simple thing to do in my opinion. (not the most ideal IMHO) is to simply remove the numbers from teh crawls, and let the viewer choose what order... whether classic or prequel. OR renumber them 1 through 6 starting with A New Hope and then when we get to the prequel films do this...... When the A long time ago comes up have a sound byte from obi-wan that can relate to TPM... Maybe "The Jedi knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the old republic" and then just go to the movie.... Do the same for the last two, making the quote more personal to the characters... That would be easiest thing to do... But not the most interesting.

brash_stryker said:

Not desecrating *my* childhood as such, but making so that the next generation who watches the films (in chronological order) will miss out on the impact we had.

It's kind of impossible to avoid having the twist ruined now, anyway. Here's a fun little factoid: I had the twist ruined for me when I was a kid, when a kids' magazine made a joke about it (this was sometime in the early 90's). It didn't stop Empire Strikes Back from becoming one of my top 5 favorite movies of all time (if not the top), not did it keep me from appreciating what a shock it was for Luke's character. It's true that I was robbed of experiencing the shock value first hand, but seeing as that shock value would be lost on repeat viewings anyway I don't really care.

If someone wants their kids to have the same Star Wars experience they did, then they should be watching the series in the 4,5,6,1,2,3 order anyway. And that's assuming that it's even possible for either the parent or child to have not had the twist spoiled already before having seen the movie.

Impossible shouldn't be a word in a fan editor's vocabulary :)

vaderios said:

brash_stryker said:

Impossible shouldn't be a word in a fan editor's vocabulary :)

Agreed, but first set what is possible and doable.

;)

-Angel

Haha! Well I'm trying to remain optimistic. Although the whole Anakin/Vader thing is such a mess it is pretty soul destroying.

doubleofive said:

I think that a montage at the end of RotS could be cool, much like the opposite of the ending to RotJ:SE.  An anti-celebration, if you will.  Cut out Padme dying on the table, make it seem like Organa wants to take the girl meaning Padme, have Padme die on Alderaan, modifying some footage, while cutting in shots of the fleet being updated and starting on the Death Star.  Sure, we lose the Tatooine sunset ending, but I think that might be OK.  Someone just has to try, even just a rough mockup at this point would be nice.

Exactly what I think could work. To the letter.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

I like the general idea SSWR but I still think it's too much information.

We know from Leia in ROTJ she dies when she is very young, my earliest memories are from when I was about two but they are very vague so shifting it up to about three years later sort of makes sense.

If this was done as a time shifting montage her niece could be Leia (though we don't know that at the time) if she doesn't turn up in a reworked Episode II.

The explanation that Leia gives could act as a explanation of the scene we see in a reworked ROTS.

Thanks for the feedback, Bingo. Are you saying one of Padme's nieces (from AOTC deleted scene or ROTS funeral scene) could possibly be mis-interpreted (to our advantage) as Liea in the OT? So once ROTJ rolls around we finally find out about the Luke/Liea relationship? Hmmm...this is not something I've ever heard before.

I personally don't like the time shifting montage idea...not very Star Wars-y...plus (and I think we feel the same way on this) we don't won't to give away too much information...we don't want to spell everything out.

Did you really feel the dialouge I came up with spelled everything out too much? I figured we have to kill off Padme somehow...or make it obvious she's not gonna make it much longer. She's an important character after all...

...but then again the same could be said for Yoda...and I am definantly against having it spelled out to us that Yoda stays on Dagobah until ESB. My 2 cents.  :P

It wasn't very Star Wars to leap around time and space at the end of a film until 1997, the SE celebration scenes are exactly that only over a shorter time span.

If Padme has to die in that time frame we could give her a more tragic death (rather than selfish one we see in ROTS).

Palpatine claimed that to have the secret of bringing people back to life (physical life as contrasted with the Jedi spiritual return in the form of a Force ghost).

What if Anakin literally died after the fire, which make Obi-Wan less of a git for leaving him to burst in flames.

Palpatine brings him back from the dead but to do that he pulls the life out of the person he loves most of all (besides himself) Padme.

It sounds like the sort of sick way the dark side would work, to bring someone back you have to kill someone they love.

In fact you could still adapt the idea into a longer death for Padme, the spell (for want of a better term) could work so the stronger Vader becomes the weaker Padme gets so if Vader's recovery is long her death could be drawn out too.

Hey gang, I think I forgot to mention this.  I went ahead and posted links to all the prequel fanedit cutlist scripts I've done so far over at FE.org:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/TVFs-Prequel-Cutlist-Project/topic/10770/

Hope some of you find some use in these.

Forgive the double post, but.....

I really killed this thread, didn't I?  It used to be bursting with life.

I think our minds have flipped into ROTJ mode (possibly by doubleofive's lovely list).

It's easy to understand with ESB:R slowly creeping around the corner that people will focus on a thread that might help Ady next time (though this thread and the Wishlist thread aren't exclusively Ady threads).

When Ady starts his ROTJ:R thread I foresee this thread splitting into episode specific threads and hopefully doubleofive, or someone with a similar degree of patience, will plow through this thread and re-energise the debate (something similar happened to the Starkiller thread which covered ROTJ and the PT).

But keep on posting folks....

The only way I can think of deflecting attention away from Anakin as Vader is to merge Grievous and Maul together and redub them so he becomes an ongoing nemesis for Obi-Wan in the same way that Vader is for Luke in the OT.

Maul is a man of very little words in the official versions and Grievous is a man of many words which sound rather silly.

If new dialogue was written which made one character out of both and made him obsessed with Obi-Wan (the only knight to best him) you could paint a picture of a defacto pupil (someone who studies him from a distance) but even that doesn't get over the "BEFORE he turned to evil" part of the equation.

It would be fun to replace Fett on Geonosis with Maul Grievous, it would make more sense in terms of story but it's hard to believe he wouldn't leap in and fight Obi-Wan again (it would be too much work to get Maul/Grievous to take over the saber fighting from Dooku).

It did seem strange that Maul dispatched a Jedi Master with some ease but came a croper to a Padawan.

If he survived that could turn into an obsessional study of the techniques of the one who beat him.

you know what idea i had since episode one was to make qui gon obiwan instead cause most of his dialogs were defiant to the jedi council which would have supported what obiwan said to yoda about being different when he thought him.  and this exactly happen in the original script of episode 1.

I would love to make Grievous the new Maul... Those eyes would have to change, however.

I'm all for amalgamating Grevious and Maul. A non force-user wielding lightsabers never sat right with me.

Except for Han gutting the Taun Taun.

Only thing would be, how would Maul/Grevious work in an edit where Dooku is good, and the Seperatists are, to a degree, in the right.

I suppose it could be explained as Palpatine pulling strings - infiltrating the opposing side with a loyal agent of his own.

Or Maul doing what Sith apprentices do best turning on his master (or so he thinks).

The repositioning works perfectly but while the recolouring makes sense (I assume they would have treated his skin before locking him into the cage) it does look less painfully unpleasent, which takes away some of the dramatic effect.