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dlbsyst said:

Adywan thanks for this fine dvd but...

I hate to say it because so far all of your releases have been superb but I am a very disappointed with the sound on this release. As someone who own's and has heard the AC3 audio on the Japanese LD I can safely say that the audio on this dvd doesn't even come close. I can hear massive amounts of dynamic compression going on in this mix especially in the loud parts. It sounds to me like the soft parts have been brought up and the loud parts have been brought down. Explosions sound much quiter than they should and the big light saber battle, which was so amazing on the LD falls totally flat here. I hope I don't offend you Adywan as I'm just giving my honest opinion. Is it possible something slipped in when you assembled/recoded the sound in Vegas?

 

-dlbsyst

I mentioned about this before. It has nothing to do with the encoding process in Vegas. This was present on the laserdisc. TPM was recorded at the same time as i did the SE OT and there was no problem with the recording of those. The compression is on the laserdisc itself. I have watched the laserdisc through my home cinema system and its very noticeable on that too. This is why i was originally going to use the DVD audio. If it had anything to do with my set-up or the way i captured the audio for TPM then the problem would be there with the 3 OT discs too, which it isn't (and TPM was recorded straight after ANH and before ESB on the same day with no settings changed as it was a bit-for-bit recording through the optical input)

The Colours were brilliant in the theater. It was when it was transferred to DVD and some VHS releases that it turned pink. But of course knowing it is a Lucasfilm they probably did it on purpose.

The pink tint is due to them wanting us to see the film through rose tinted glasses.

Ady, is there any chance you could make the actual LD ac3 audio available?  Why did it need to be re-encoded in the first place? (I know you said something about 384kbps not being compatible with some players, but this seems unlikely to affect most people.)

Bobocop said:

The pink tint is due to them wanting us to see the film through rose tinted glasses.

Heh. Brilliant.

dlbsyst said:

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I can hear massive amounts of dynamic compression going on in this mix especially in the loud parts. It sounds to me like the soft parts have been brought up and the loud parts have been brought down. E

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Is it possible something slipped in when you assembled/recoded the sound in Vegas?

It is possible that Ady decoded the AC3 to six channels with DRC enabled. Unlikely though, BeSweet defaults to a straight decode with no DRC or DialNorm, and I would expect that Ady knows what he's doing.  I don't even know if AC3 on LD contains the same DRC profile metadata as AC3 on DVD.

schorman13 said:

Ady, is there any chance you could make the actual LD ac3 audio available?  Why did it need to be re-encoded in the first place?

It needed patching to fix the gaps at the LD side changes.

It is a huge disappointment for me and i wish i had stuck with the DVD audio for this. I did some more tests at the weekend. First i captured a 10 minute section of TPM (beginning of the Obi/Qui-gon/Maul duel) as this had some of the worse compression. The results were exactly the same. Straight away i popped in the ESB SE laserdisc and captured the Hoth battle and there were no compression problems. So i decided to capture the whole of this side of the ESB laserdisc and the results were perfect.

Then i tested both sources again through my home cinema system. I watched a whole side of each movie. No problems whatsoever with ESB but TPM clearly has the compression

So these tests rule out player problems, capturing problems and playback problems as if there was a fault with any of the set-ups then ESB would suffer the same problems, which it didn't.

There is some good news however, i have been messing about with the TPM audio and applying a few filters in vegas and i have eliminated almost all of the DRC. It's still slightly noticeable in some places but probably only because i know where these spots are and may not be noticeable to anyone else.

Now the dilemma i have is do i bother doing a v2 of this project with this new audio track?

i'll post a short ac3 sample later so you can hear the difference between the two mixes and then you can see if its worth me redoing the whole DVD with this new mix. The main problem is that i no longer have any of the original files i used to create the disc so it would mean rebuilding it from scratch which is probably going to be impossible :(

here's an AC3 sample. the first part is the raw capture the second is using the filters in vegas

http://rapidshare.com/files/260531424/tpm_filtered_test.ac3

adywan said:

The main problem is that i no longer have any of the original files i used to create the disc so it would mean rebuilding it from scratch which is probably going to be impossible :(

Um, just replace the old ac3 with the new or am I missing something? Why would it need rebuilding from scratch?

satanika said:

adywan said:

The main problem is that i no longer have any of the original files i used to create the disc so it would mean rebuilding it from scratch which is probably going to be impossible :(

Um, just replace the old ac3 with the new or am I missing something? Why would it need rebuilding from scratch?

Well i'm testing out a way to replace the audio using vobblanker, dvddecrypter, muxman & pgcedit  so that i would only need to upload the new AC3 and it could replace the original audio, without changing the menus etc. Its a very long winded process and if it fails i would have to re-do the whole DVD. because i no longer have any of the files , including the DVD Architect  project file, i would have to rebuild the DVD from scratch, something i probably won't do if it came to it.

It would be pretty easy to rebuild using pgc edit.  You'd just need to rip all of the streams using DVD Decryptor, or something similar, and then remux using your new ac3 file.  You could create a very simple DVD with just the film and (as long as you've recreated your chapters) you can replace the main movie (VOBs) in your original dvd with the one from your newly created version,  using pgcedit.  This way you don't have to do any work to recreate the menus or programming of your original DVD for the newer version.

If you share the ac3, I could redo this within a day and repost to a.b.starwars.

schorman13 said:

It would be pretty easy to rebuild using pgc edit.  You'd just need to rip all of the streams using DVD Decryptor, or something similar, and then remux using your new ac3 file.  You could create a very simple DVD with just the film and (as long as you've recreated your chapters) you can replace the main movie (VOBs) in your original dvd with the one from your newly created version,  using pgcedit.  This way you don't have to do any work to recreate the menus or programming of your original DVD for the newer version.

If you share the ac3, I could redo this within a day and repost to a.b.starwars.

+1

Ok a bit of news here. I know someone who has a laserdisc player with a demodulator that lives a couple of miles away so i a gave him a ring this afternoon to see if i could try my TPM laserdisc on his setup so i could finally rule out a player problem. Went around, popped it in and indeed it has nothing to do with my setup as it is exactly the same on his. Now here is the strange part. He got a copy just after i got mine off ebay so we popped in his copy. It sounded totally different. We compared the covers and the discs mine has slightly different colour writing on the labels. Mine look a bit dull in comparison. Now i know its highly unlikely that mine isn't an official pressing but why is there such a huge difference in sound quality between mine and his?

He can't rip the audio from his machine because he only has a laptop so he has leant me his copy to re-rip the audio in exchange for a copy of the DVD when its redone. Fair enough swap :)

So what i will do is just post the new AC3 with instructions on how to replace it with the audio on the DVD. It's not going to be until at least next week through because i don't have the time at the moment to do it.

I'm guessing his is better?  Strange indeed...

yes his is better. I would have assumed that all the laserdisc pressings were the same, which is why i didn't bother to see if i could borrow his in the first place. We both purchased our copies off ebay. There is another difference too. On his he has a dolby digital video before the movie starts whereas mine goes from the fox opening directly to the movie. No dolby digital vid at all. very strange indeed

But the sound is so much better than my disc and now at least i won't have to work with all the filters in vegas to try and eliminate the DRC from the original recording.

If the audio on the initial release is as crap as you say it is, whilst I thought it was the best I have heard through my basic system, I cannot wait to get the new AC3 file added to the copy I have.

Of course, the downside is that I will have to watch TPM again afterwards..........

I know I'm going to sound greedy here, but is there any chance you could capture the uncompressed stereo audio as well?