logo Sign In

The Original Trilogy Radical Redux Ideas Thread — Page 9

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Plus it makes Luke’s rejoining the rebels during the briefing difficult to handle.

And I say that as a proponent of the idea.

Author
Time

I’m liking the ideas, Dom and Rogue! Restructuring ROTJ’s bloated first part is a fantastic proposal. I rather enjoy opening with the Emperor’s arrival, followed by the truncated R2/3PO arrival and the dance number/the Leia!Boushh scene. It gives us a better Luke reveal and immediately increases the stakes for the Galactic Civil War plot. While I like the thought of opening on Dagobah, it doesn’t have the same urgency as opening with Palpatine’s arrival.

An insert shot of Han in carbonite during the dance number is doable, especially if it means deleting a shot of that ugly Snootles puppet (the one that prematurely reveals Lando, preferably). If we have to cut Leia and Chewbacca, perhaps insert shots of Boushh interacting in the palace after Oola falls down the pit. You could also cut Lapti Nek (Does the rancor need foreshadowing? Do we need that awful puppet of Sy Snootles on screen?), going from the droid torture to gunshots in the throne room. You’d have to tweak the establishing shot of Jabba to be more appropriate (re-insert part of the hologram scene?). I’m just spitballing a few rearrangement ideas.

Author
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

Plus it makes Luke’s rejoining the rebels during the briefing difficult to handle.

And I say that as a proponent of the idea.

The other problem is, you can’t really break up the stuff on Dagobah. It’s really just two scenes, talking with Yoda and then talking with Ben. But it doesn’t make sense to cut away after Yoda’s death because if you want to cut back later to the scene with Ben, you’d end up wondering “well what has Luke being doing hanging out at this dead guy’s house?”

Author
Time

Well if Yoda had recovered and kept his lightsaber in Episode 3, that would be a good reason to stay and loot the room. To communicate this cromulent concept, I would recommend altering the deleted scene of him building his lightsaber so that he instead just puts the Yoda saber into a bigger handle.

You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)

Author
Time

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Plus it makes Luke’s rejoining the rebels during the briefing difficult to handle.

And I say that as a proponent of the idea.

The other problem is, you can’t really break up the stuff on Dagobah. It’s really just two scenes, talking with Yoda and then talking with Ben. But it doesn’t make sense to cut away after Yoda’s death because if you want to cut back later to the scene with Ben, you’d end up wondering “well what has Luke being doing hanging out at this dead guy’s house?”

I’ve seen the idea knocked around to somehow do a background replacement and make the Obi-Wan scene take place on Tatooine/in Obi-Wan’s hut, but that seems…difficult to pull off at best.

Or you could just cut the entire Obi-Wan scene and not lose too much, perhaps.

Author
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Plus it makes Luke’s rejoining the rebels during the briefing difficult to handle.

And I say that as a proponent of the idea.

The other problem is, you can’t really break up the stuff on Dagobah. It’s really just two scenes, talking with Yoda and then talking with Ben. But it doesn’t make sense to cut away after Yoda’s death because if you want to cut back later to the scene with Ben, you’d end up wondering “well what has Luke being doing hanging out at this dead guy’s house?”

I’ve seen the idea knocked around to somehow do a background replacement and make the Obi-Wan scene take place on Tatooine/in Obi-Wan’s hut, but that seems…difficult to pull off at best.

Yeah I remember being in favor of that back in the day. Don’t know if it’s possible but it’s a nice idea to imagine.

Or you could just cut the entire Obi-Wan scene and not lose too much, perhaps.

I personally wouldn’t really want to go that far, although I know it’s been done before.

Author
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Plus it makes Luke’s rejoining the rebels during the briefing difficult to handle.

And I say that as a proponent of the idea.

The other problem is, you can’t really break up the stuff on Dagobah. It’s really just two scenes, talking with Yoda and then talking with Ben. But it doesn’t make sense to cut away after Yoda’s death because if you want to cut back later to the scene with Ben, you’d end up wondering “well what has Luke being doing hanging out at this dead guy’s house?”

I’ve seen the idea knocked around to somehow do a background replacement and make the Obi-Wan scene take place on Tatooine/in Obi-Wan’s hut, but that seems…difficult to pull off at best.

I’ve played around with it before, I think it’s doable. But it would require a few completely new background mattes, as some of the shots don’t quite match up. Getting it to look right would be real tricky.
A couple rough quick concepts I made a while back:
password: fanedit
https://vimeo.com/330880265
https://vimeo.com/367414980

Once I find the time to work on my own ROTJ edit, I’ll definitely try my hand it piecing this scene together. I’ve always loved the idea.

“Always in motion is the future” 🌌

Author
Time

That’s a good proof of concept. The trickiest part of the video seems to be erasing the Dagobah that shows through Obi-Wan’s transparency, and the audio is probably the key to selling the whole thing.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

Well, the time span is about a day on Dagobah and the Palace. So Yoda dying in the morning and Luke departing in the afternoon is not a problem. Of course, you need to accept really fast travel times 😉

But we need to recolour R2-D2 to make him another droid! Having another droid could also be a nod to the prequels.
In there some dialog where Luke mentions a number or a letter ?

Rejoining the fleet briefing would need some extra work.

Anyway, these are very interesting ideas 😃

Author
Time

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Plus it makes Luke’s rejoining the rebels during the briefing difficult to handle.

And I say that as a proponent of the idea.

The other problem is, you can’t really break up the stuff on Dagobah. It’s really just two scenes, talking with Yoda and then talking with Ben. But it doesn’t make sense to cut away after Yoda’s death because if you want to cut back later to the scene with Ben, you’d end up wondering “well what has Luke being doing hanging out at this dead guy’s house?”

I’ve seen the idea knocked around to somehow do a background replacement and make the Obi-Wan scene take place on Tatooine/in Obi-Wan’s hut, but that seems…difficult to pull off at best.

Or you could just cut the entire Obi-Wan scene and not lose too much, perhaps.

You could always move the Ben scene to Endor right before Luke turns himself in. It wouldn’t take nearly as much work to make dagobah look like Endor.

Author
Time

Darth Lucas said:

ChainsawAsh said:

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Plus it makes Luke’s rejoining the rebels during the briefing difficult to handle.

And I say that as a proponent of the idea.

The other problem is, you can’t really break up the stuff on Dagobah. It’s really just two scenes, talking with Yoda and then talking with Ben. But it doesn’t make sense to cut away after Yoda’s death because if you want to cut back later to the scene with Ben, you’d end up wondering “well what has Luke being doing hanging out at this dead guy’s house?”

I’ve seen the idea knocked around to somehow do a background replacement and make the Obi-Wan scene take place on Tatooine/in Obi-Wan’s hut, but that seems…difficult to pull off at best.

Or you could just cut the entire Obi-Wan scene and not lose too much, perhaps.

You could always move the Ben scene to Endor right before Luke turns himself in. It wouldn’t take nearly as much work to make dagobah look like Endor.

I’ve heard that one before too. The problem though, is you’re still stuck with Luke meeting up with the fleet later (with Ben’s hut, you could hypothetically use the sandstorm scene). Plus Leia asking Luke “what is it” and him saying to ask again sometime.

Author
Time

Tried to recolor R2 on the Dagobah scenes and redub Luke calling him as R-T35.
Doesn’t work, so I realise that intercutting Jabba with Dagobah is not practical.

But I wonder how it would play intercut with the DeathStar II scenes, perhaps with Vader mentally searching for Luke (start of the cave deleted scene).

Author
Time

Great article:
http://www.forcematerial.com/home/2016/9/28/how-the-force-awakens-fixed-a-problem-with-a-new-hope-that-nobody-noticed

This is not something that ever occurred to me.

If one wanted to try and remedy this “problem” in ANH, how about Luke using the lightsaber (instead of the blaster) to do some damage to the controls that extend the bridge?

SSWR’s YouTube channel

Attack of the Clones: Alternate Timeline Edit Thread:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SSWRs-Attack-of-the-Clones-Alternate-Timeline-Edit/id/66888

Author
Time
 (Edited)

One of the missteps I feel the OT took was in making the lightsaber a technological weapon rather than a purely mystical one only trained Force-users can wield. Perhaps Luke using the weapon can be removed from the film altogether? Change it so Ben shows him the saber, but Luke can’t turn it on, so Ben is the one who demonstrates its operation. That would also entail cutting out Luke practicing with the lightsaber on the Falcon, though. That entire sequence provides more information on the nature of the Force and insight into Han’s character, so I don’t know if we can afford to lose it.

Author
Time

Honestly, Luke not using his lightsaber is fine because he has two more movies to do that.

Concerning Han’s rescue, if anything should be cut, it’s the droids, without a doubt.

Author
Time

Anakin Starkiller said:

Honestly, Luke not using his lightsaber is fine because he has two more movies to do that.

Concerning Han’s rescue, if anything should be cut, it’s the droids, without a doubt.

I agree. It’s a largely trivial concern because we have the other two movies to work off. Empire introduces the Emperor and the “Other” but the payoff is held to Jedi. The same could be argued applies to the lightsaber here.

That being said this article is very interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever been able to name a genuine flaw with ANH prior.

Maul- A Star Wars Story

Author
Time
 (Edited)

It’s not a genuine flaw. Story “rules” are not set in stone, and the set up of the lightsaber need not be so strict as to require the lightsaber be involved with its pay off. By which I mean, the lightsaber sets up the Force and Luke wanting to learn it. Then we see him using it to train with the remote. The ultimate pay off is him using the Force to destroy the Death Star. It doesn’t involve the lightsaber sure, but you can draw a straight line in terms of narrative purpose from the saber’s intro to the climax. The article misses the point of Luke’s training, it’s not about him mastering the saber, it’s about him letting go and using his instincts.

Author
Time

I wanted to say something along those lines. Chekhov’s Gun isn’t unfulfilled, for one, because in my opinion, it’s never set up in the first place. The lightsaber’s purpose in the movie is as a relic of the Jedi, not as a weapon to be used to destroy the enemy.

Reading R + L ≠ J theories

Author
Time
 (Edited)

NeverarGreat said:

I’d argue that this is actually a flaw in ANH, and the evidence is in ESB. Part of what makes Luke’s desire to fight Vader so compelling is precisely because he was robbed of this moment in ANH.

So yes, a flaw, but one that ends up working to the trilogy’s benefit overall.

Well that’s a fair argument but I’d nitpick and say it’s not Luke getting the lightsaber that sets that up, but rather Ben explaining his father’s death.

I’ll always argue that SW works perfectly on its own but certainly there’s potential in the Vader storyline that is left unfulfilled (and then later successfully fulfilled in TESB). It is, of course, the one hanging thread of the film.

Author
Time
 (Edited)

I posted this on a PT/OT topic, but I think it also makes sense here, in light of the ROTJ discussions:

Adding color to the Emperor’s shuttle solves the problem of shuttle reuse.
And of course it connects with the red guards.
alt text

I’m experimenting with scene order on ROTJ’s opening and having Luke on Dagobah really works. He needs to become a Jedi master before all that Jaba stuff.

» After Vader arrives, we have the deleted scene of mediation and searching for Luke. We cut to Luke in Dagobah. Like in TESB, Vader can’t sense him there.
» Yoda dies and we cut to the Emperor’s arrival, then back to Obi-wan force ghost. So we have Luke and his “masters”, and Vader and his master.
» Deleted scene where Vader goes to see the Emperor and is prevented by the red guards. Here I must find a way to make clear that Vader is searching for Luke and can’t find him 😉

All this work reasonably well and solves all the exposition in about 15 minutes 😉

Author
Time

The image looks so cool, IMHO.

Italian faneditor.

EDITS LIST:
Episode IV - THE HEIR OF SKYWALKER. Episode VI - RETURN OF THE JEDI RENEWED. DYAD IN THE FORCE (3-into-1 sequels).
PM me for links if interested.

Author
Time

That looks pretty good!

“Get over violence, madness and death? What else is there?”

Also known as Mr. Liquid Jungle.

Author
Time

4throck said:

I posted this on a PT/OT topic, but I think it also makes sense here, in light of the ROTJ discussions:

Adding color to the Emperor’s shuttle solves the problem of shuttle reuse.
And of course it connects with the red guards.
alt text

That’s cool, and very similar to what I imagined. I’d probably go with a lighter shade of red though, one that more closely matched the guards. And I’m not sure how I feel about the red on the wings, maybe it should just be the top wing rather than the sides? Either way a great proof of concept.

I’m experimenting with scene order on ROTJ’s opening and having Luke on Dagobah really works. He needs to become a Jedi master before all that Jaba stuff.

» After Vader arrives, we have the deleted scene of mediation and searching for Luke. We cut to Luke in Dagobah. Like in TESB, Vader can’t sense him there.
» Yoda dies and we cut to the Emperor’s arrival, then back to Obi-wan force ghost. So we have Luke and his “masters”, and Vader and his master.

That’s an interesting idea, though I wonder if it’s pushing the Jabba’s palace stuff too far back. My gut in this scenario would be to really trim down the palace stuff so you get back to what you’re setting up as the main storyline of Luke and Vader.

» Deleted scene where Vader goes to see the Emperor and is prevented by the red guards. Here I must find a way to make clear that Vader is searching for Luke and can’t find him 😉

I’m not sure I understand where that scene would come into play, or how it would relate to finding Luke.