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adywan said:

It’s strange how this one shot has been taken out of every online version of the latest season 3 trailer and can only be seen in the trailer on the USA version of Disney+

Huh that’s weird, are you sure you’re on the us version?
I cant seem to find that shot in the trailer.

Edit: Never mind, news is spreading that disney plus secretly released “Alternate” trailer:

-TGWNN

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spoiler-speculation for season 3 of Mando:

‘The Mandalorian’ Empire magazine covers for April -

From that helmet image we will likely be seeing Boba Fett this season? I hope he is given a better more deserving story or appearances than we got in BOBF.

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Jon Favreau confirms that the scripts for the Disney+ Star Wars show’s fourth season are already finished:

https://www.cbr.com/mandalorian-season-4-already-written/ with a short video of Favreau talking about writing this.
 

It is good to know there has been some long term planning for the series, and how it overlaps with the other series in this era.

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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I just hope it’s not overlapping plans like they did with Mando in the BOBF. That was just a terrible idea no matter how you look at it. Not to mention Bobas behavior in his own show contradicted the way he acted in Mando season 2. They have practically ruined many story beats for the sake of cramming Mandos tale into the very weak BOBF. I guess I’m just pessimistic about it considering that crazy decision.

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Fan_edit_fan said:

I just hope it’s not overlapping plans like they did with Mando in the BOBF. That was just a terrible idea no matter how you look at it. Not to mention Bobas behavior in his own show contradicted the way he acted in Mando season 2. They have practically ruined many story beats for the sake of cramming Mandos tale into the very weak BOBF. I guess I’m just pessimistic about it considering that crazy decision.

Yeah I feel the same way, it’s hard for me to get excited about the show anymore.

“Remember, the Force will be with you. Always.”

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Well that premier was very mid. Looked cheap compared to Andor and big on what they think is fan service.

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I haven’t seen the new episode yet, but my expectations for the latest season are at rock bottom right now. If you count Book of Boba as part of the series, the trajectory of Mando seems to be a constant downward slope. It’s a shame, because season 1 was awesome, but the title of “greatest Star Wars show” has been fully transferred over to Andor for me.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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I loved the episode, it’s your typical Mandalorian playbook play. He travels somewhere to meet someone, learns he needs something, travels to that place, either he helps someone to get the item he needs or he runs into trouble himself just to get what he’s looking for.

Spoilers for S03E01 and E02

I liked the IG-11 scenes. I thought that was going to happen with his program defaulting back to the original program. In order to get this part for IG-11, he must travel back to his deceased friend Kuiil’s home to find that part.

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I watched the episode, and it felt very formulaic to me. It wasn’t terrible, but the writing is just so mediocre and it’s still a video game plot. After Andor showed what real character development and world building looks like, Mando’s characters are very two dimensional. There’s very little going on beneath the surface. Just one example of what bugs me about this episode and the creators’ approach to this series without going into spoilers:

Mando goes to visit a character from the past. He enters the person’s HQ. The HQ is totally deserted and the person is sitting in a chair. The person spouts some exposition and off Mando goes. The person just seems to be sitting there waiting for Mando to arrive for the person to do their thing to move the plot. It reminds me of those conquest games, where the screen is black in the area where the characters haven’t been yet. There’s nothing there until the characters need something.

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But… but… it was Favreau who wrote it… and wrote every episode in the Mandalorian universe so far…

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The episode was a weird mess. The longer opening episodes of previous seasons were much better in terms of content an pacing. It seemed like they were worried people were really bored watching Andor and shoved in both a monster battle and a space battle, without time for the characters. What little they included was all setup for later stories. Trying to revive IG-11 is dumb and makes Mando look dumb. Not a good start.

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IG-11 is a strong and accurate fighter. If I was Din, I would make IG-11 coverings all out of Beskar steel, then he would almost be unstoppable.

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Season 3’s opener today just left me empty, I’ll have to watch it again as it felt lacking and predictable, so it was probably just me. I was looking forward to this new season, I was not expecting Andor level quality, but still expecting better than that. May it is because this was the "set up " episode for the rest of the season? I hope so.

The IG-11 thing? “Somehow Palpatine IG-11 returned”. It just seemed weird and unnecessary, cheapening the sacrifice made in season 1, and the unfortunate familiar Star Wars trope of bringing back far too many dead characters back to life. Maybe there will be some effective payoff for that later?
 

Edit: I found it odd they didn’t reference why Grogu is now back with Mando after the end of Mandalorian S2. The events which took place in the 2 episodes of The Book Of Boba Fett. For anyone who hasn’t seen the BOBF series this season opener must have been quite a strange “WTH?” experience. It wasn’t featured in the opening “recap” segment, was it?

The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear.

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I liked it. I like Star Wars and it was goofy and fun and I like goofy and fun Star Wars as much as I like
fascism dissertation Star Wars like we got in Andor.

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Well, I finally watched the episode. And unfortunately, I’m not impressed, which is a feat considering how low my expectations were.

The main problem with Mando as a whole has already been identified by several people: the universe doesn’t feel “lived in”. The characters don’t have any nuance, no life beyond what’s on screen, they’re just machines designed to spew lame one-liners and repetitive exposition. I didn’t used to be bothered by this, but after Andor showed how convincingly “real” a Star Wars story can be, Mando just feels like a vaudeville show by comparison.

But even disregarding the lack of believability, this episode just felt… bland. Not a single moment in the entire episode really stood out to me. Every scene just felt like I’ve seen it before, and that’s because I have: almost every moment in this episode was an imitation of a much more memorable moment from the previous seasons. The Mando writers have begun to eat their own tail, so to speak, and the new season just feels forgettable as a result.

I hope this episode was just a fluke, and the next few episodes will be able to pull their act together: the critical reactions to an advance preview of Chapter 18 sound very promising. But if the new season doesn’t turn out good by at least episode 3, I’m done with Mando forever.

My preferred Skywalker Saga experience:
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Meh, I’ll just wait until all episodes are available so I can binge the season. Speaking of which, I haven’t watched Andor.

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I have a similar sentiment to many comments already, Dre really put my thoughts into words.

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When it ended I was like, oh, it’s over already? Ending it with Bo Karan felt like a weird place to conclude. I feel like it would’ve made more sense for Mando to go see Bo Katan right after he spoke with the Armorer.

  1. He gets confirmation from the Armorer that he can atone for his sins if he actually managed to find the Living Waters beneath Mandalore.

  2. Now that he knows he must go there, he should go find a person he knows that has a desire to also return there, someone that knows the planet and has lived there. He goes to see Bo, but he tells her she has given up on that because her followers abandoned her and the world is likely poisoned anyway. Also, her homeworld is close to Mandalore, so this would’ve made it clearer that Mando wanted to immediately head to Mandalore and atone, but stopped by Bo’s to see if they could team up, but then had to backtrack because of the information Bo gives him.

  3. Now, Mando needs a new plan to figure out if the planet is poisoned or not like Bo says, so he needs a droid he trusts to help test that theory. So he goes to see if he can repair IG-11, goes on his quest to find the part, and end the episode on the pirate space battle.

Just felt like this would’ve made more sense and allowed the episode to end on a bit of action

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So, Mando is going on a stupid quest just because of his stupid creed?

From now on you should never ever remove your pants
But, but… how do I pee?
This is the way

Han: Hey Lando! You kept your promise, right? Not a scratch?
Lando: Well, what’s left of her isn’t scratched. All the scratched parts got knocked off along the way.
Han (exasperated): Knocked off?!

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StarkillerAG’s comments hit the nail on the head. The Mandalorian and the wider Mandoverse feels like cosplay Star Wars.

I was surprised how cheap some of the costumes and creature effects looked. It reminded me of much older shows with far more limited budgets, such as Farscape. I think the Volume is partly to blame for this.

The leaden & cliched dialogue only adds to the amateurish feel.

The story structure is poor to non-existent. As many have said, it’s like watching a video game. There is no logical narrative flow.

I think Mando also suffers from airing at the same time as The Last of Us, which is it ironic, given its origins as a game. I’m certainly not suggesting TLOU is peak HBO drama but it shows you what Pedro Pascal can do with better material.

Grogu should have stayed with Luke.
Mando should have rejected the Children of the Watch’s ideology. (Shouldn’t he have come to that realisation at the end of Season 2?) That should a turning point in his story & his relationship with other Mandalorians.
Dead characters, whether droids or infamous bounty hunters, should stay dead. Otherwise there are no stakes.

Parts of the episode might be fun to watch as clips on YouTube.

But the whole episode was not greater than the sum of its parts.

Apparently, next week’s episode is stronger. I hope so but that still won’t make up for this subpar episode.

Also, let’s have aliens speaking alien languages.

StarkillerAG said:

Well, I finally watched the episode. And unfortunately, I’m not impressed, which is a feat considering how low my expectations were.

The main problem with Mando as a whole has already been identified by several people: the universe doesn’t feel “lived in”. The characters don’t have any nuance, no life beyond what’s on screen, they’re just machines designed to spew lame one-liners and repetitive exposition. I didn’t used to be bothered by this, but after Andor showed how convincingly “real” a Star Wars story can be, Mando just feels like a vaudeville show by comparison.

But even disregarding the lack of believability, this episode just felt… bland. Not a single moment in the entire episode really stood out to me. Every scene just felt like I’ve seen it before, and that’s because I have: almost every moment in this episode was an imitation of a much more memorable moment from the previous seasons. The Mando writers have begun to eat their own tail, so to speak, and the new season just feels forgettable as a result.

I hope this episode was just a fluke, and the next few episodes will be able to pull their act together: the critical reactions to an advance preview of Chapter 18 sound very promising. But if the new season doesn’t turn out good by at least episode 3, I’m done with Mando forever.

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I’d say I agree with the less than impressed reviews here of this first episode this season. A bit of fan service and largely predictable. I suspect it will get better as Sackhoff gets more involved.

The kid’s helmet at the beginning was a nice callback to the 1978 Holiday Special.

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This. I don’t mind aliens speaking basic, but almost all of them do and with mostly with American accents, and this is what gives it a cosplah feel because they don’t sound alien at all.

GuardianoftheWhills said:

StarkillerAG’s comments hit the nail on the head. The Mandalorian and the wider Mandoverse feels like cosplay Star Wars.

Also, let’s have aliens speaking alien languages.

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yoshif8tures said:

This. I don’t mind aliens speaking basic, but almost all of them do and with mostly with American accents, and this is what gives it a cosplah feel because they don’t sound alien at all.

GuardianoftheWhills said:

StarkillerAG’s comments hit the nail on the head. The Mandalorian and the wider Mandoverse feels like cosplay Star Wars.

Also, let’s have aliens speaking alien languages.

If aliens are given foreign accents then everyone will accuse Disney of racism. I still remember when some criticized the accents of Jar Jar Binks and Nute Gunray.

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I think comparing this show to Andor is apples to oranges . Andor is the more intellectual political drama/thriller , Mando is more pulpy adventure /space western . This episode felt like filler before the meat of the story gets told this season . Not my favorite episode thus far , but I had fun with it anyway . It probably would have been better if those 2 episodes from BOBF were used to open the season here instead though . As for alien accents , I think the problem started way back in The Phantom Menace and they should have taken their cues from the original trilogy and had Ben Burrt come up with alien languages for all of the alien characters with subtitles . Yeah , There was a lot of dialogue for those characters in the prequels , but Jabba had a substantial role in ROTJ and that technique worked for him . They should have stuck with that approach throughout the whole saga . Also , in regards to this weeks Mandalorian episode , I’m still wondering why Swamp Thing made an appearance .

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