we must acknowledge current connotations, even if they haven’t always been there
I agree, if only to confront/negate them.
That’s fine, I only mean if someone’s using a word with the connotation in mind, you can’t just ignore that connotation.
(just speaking generally here)
You only have to look around places like facebook to see how the RT audience scores have been manipulated. Campaigns were started before the film even come out to give it negative reviews. Not just star wars pages either. 99% of the time, RT was the place they aimed for. After the film came out it got even worse. The amount of posts i had to delete on my page where people had posted links to these type of campaigns was astounding. They even added getting people to upvote the prequels on RT to make TLJ score look even worse. Just check out the ROTS reviews and see just how many new ones have suddenly appeared since TLJ.
There’s a real dark side to the Star Wars fandom and it came out in force after TLJ. The amount of the so called reviews and the negative comments/ attacks on social media that point their hatred for it towards the fact that there is more diversity, more women taking the lead roles, Disney is pandering to the SJW’s etc is disgusting.
Woah ady, slow down with your rash argument.
At least his argument, while anecdotal, deals in reality.
True, you could learn something from him.
Bots and socks! It’s a conspiracy!
Thanks for proving once again that you either missed my point completely or were purposefully ignoring it. Great conversation we’ve had here.
The larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative. That’s definitely been the attitude I’ve encountered and I haven’t been obnoxious in my complaints about the Disney movies, or at least not as obnoxious as some people online have, but I’ve still been treated almost no differently than the people who claim that TFA “ruined” Star Wars or insanity like that.
The Person in Question
You only have to look around places like facebook to see how the RT audience scores have been manipulated. Campaigns were started before the film even come out to give it negative reviews. Not just star wars pages either. 99% of the time, RT was the place they aimed for. After the film came out it got even worse. The amount of posts i had to delete on my page where people had posted links to these type of campaigns was astounding. They even added getting people to upvote the prequels on RT to make TLJ score look even worse. Just check out the ROTS reviews and see just how many new ones have suddenly appeared since TLJ.
There’s a real dark side to the Star Wars fandom and it came out in force after TLJ. The amount of the so called reviews and the negative comments/ attacks on social media that point their hatred for it towards the fact that there is more diversity, more women taking the lead roles, Disney is pandering to the SJW’s etc is disgusting.
Woah ady, slow down with your rash argument.
At least his argument, while anecdotal, deals in reality.
True, you could learn something from him.
Bots and socks! It’s a conspiracy!
Thanks for proving once again that you either missed my point completely or were purposefully ignoring it. Great conversation we’ve had here.
The larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative. That’s definitely been the attitude I’ve encountered and I haven’t been obnoxious in my complaints about the Disney movies, or at least not as obnoxious as some people online have, but I’ve still been treated almost no differently than the people who claim that TFA “ruined” Star Wars or insanity like that.
I guess you can join Jay then in willfully missing my point.
Now THAT’s being open minded.
Now THAT’s being open minded.
Care to clarify?
You only have to look around places like facebook to see how the RT audience scores have been manipulated. Campaigns were started before the film even come out to give it negative reviews. Not just star wars pages either. 99% of the time, RT was the place they aimed for. After the film came out it got even worse. The amount of posts i had to delete on my page where people had posted links to these type of campaigns was astounding. They even added getting people to upvote the prequels on RT to make TLJ score look even worse. Just check out the ROTS reviews and see just how many new ones have suddenly appeared since TLJ.
There’s a real dark side to the Star Wars fandom and it came out in force after TLJ. The amount of the so called reviews and the negative comments/ attacks on social media that point their hatred for it towards the fact that there is more diversity, more women taking the lead roles, Disney is pandering to the SJW’s etc is disgusting.
Woah ady, slow down with your rash argument.
At least his argument, while anecdotal, deals in reality.
True, you could learn something from him.
Bots and socks! It’s a conspiracy!
Thanks for proving once again that you either missed my point completely or were purposefully ignoring it. Great conversation we’ve had here.
The larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative. That’s definitely been the attitude I’ve encountered and I haven’t been obnoxious in my complaints about the Disney movies, or at least not as obnoxious as some people online have, but I’ve still been treated almost no differently than the people who claim that TFA “ruined” Star Wars or insanity like that.
I guess you can join Jay then in willfully missing my point.
I said that it was your “larger point” beyond just the RT score. And I was referring to more users than you.
The Person in Question
You only have to look around places like facebook to see how the RT audience scores have been manipulated. Campaigns were started before the film even come out to give it negative reviews. Not just star wars pages either. 99% of the time, RT was the place they aimed for. After the film came out it got even worse. The amount of posts i had to delete on my page where people had posted links to these type of campaigns was astounding. They even added getting people to upvote the prequels on RT to make TLJ score look even worse. Just check out the ROTS reviews and see just how many new ones have suddenly appeared since TLJ.
There’s a real dark side to the Star Wars fandom and it came out in force after TLJ. The amount of the so called reviews and the negative comments/ attacks on social media that point their hatred for it towards the fact that there is more diversity, more women taking the lead roles, Disney is pandering to the SJW’s etc is disgusting.
Woah ady, slow down with your rash argument.
At least his argument, while anecdotal, deals in reality.
True, you could learn something from him.
Bots and socks! It’s a conspiracy!
Thanks for proving once again that you either missed my point completely or were purposefully ignoring it. Great conversation we’ve had here.
The larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative. That’s definitely been the attitude I’ve encountered and I haven’t been obnoxious in my complaints about the Disney movies, or at least not as obnoxious as some people online have, but I’ve still been treated almost no differently than the people who claim that TFA “ruined” Star Wars or insanity like that.
I guess you can join Jay then in willfully missing my point.
I said that it was your “larger point” beyond just the RT score. And I was referring to more users than you.
It’s one thing if you’re talking about other users, but your concept of my “larger point” has no basis in reality (to paraphrase Jay). I’ve never said anything remotely like that shit, nor do I believe it.
There’s some rich hypocrisy in trying to paint me as obnoxiously generalizing people with differing opinions than mine when you’re literally doing that exact thing.
I came to that conclusion based on your rude dismissal of any and all criticisms of the films no matter how diplomatically phrased they are.
The Person in Question
I came to that conclusion based on your rude dismissal of any and all criticisms of the films no matter how diplomatically phrased they are.
So you’re just bullshitting then, got it.
No he kindof isn’t. I really like TLJ, probably my third favorite star wars in fact after the obvious two, but honestly you are pretty rude to anybody that criticizes it. At least it reads that way much of the time. Now I’m sure your actual intent isn’t that way and that you aren’t being serious when you do that, but for people who aren’t familiar with your posting style it can somewhat come off that way, sometimes.
I’m snarky in general, about all things. Hardly the only poster like that here (Jay and mfm come to mind). The idea that I’m rude about every criticism of the movie is absurd (especially when I myself don’t think it’s even close to perfect). I’ve barely debated the movie in here at all the last couple months because the arguments became circular and pointless. I’ve never succumbed to any name calling, generalizing, or even floated the mere possibility that if people didn’t like the movie they’re alt-right trolls.
Fucking insane to me that I’m not allowed to defend a movie without being talked down to and generalized. The hypocrisy is stunning.
*SIGH*
Now THAT’s being open minded.
Care to clarify?
Relax, no one’s being open minded these days - and that wouldn’t be the “”"“solution”""" for you anyway. Maybe more patience? Or maybe accepting another interpretation of what’s been said? You yourself misinterpreted something I said a couple of pages back and even though both me and Val told you that you had misinterpreted my post, you refused to accept that that was the case IIRC. But no biggie, I was just teasing.
Chill penguin
Frankie Says:
Relax.
JEDIT- this was better before Possessed’s edit.
Now THAT’s being open minded.
Care to clarify?
Relax, no one’s being open minded these days - and that wouldn’t be the “”"“solution”""" for you anyway. Maybe more patience? Or maybe accepting another interpretation of what’s been said?
Wasn’t mad at you, just legitimately confused. You made a very vague statement that seemingly had no bearing on the conversation, and I honestly had no idea how to respond without any further clarification.
Funny about patience because I’m actually very patient in real life, maybe you’re right though. I probably do have a lot less patience with people on the internet.
That being said, it’s weird to say I should be open to someone else’s interpretation of what I’ve said when they’re making me out to be some sort of maniacal douchebag, with plainly untrue reasoning.
It’s like if I said “Collipso is always arguing that people who like TLJ are paid Disney shills with no convictions or sense of taste.” Would you be justifiably miffed with that, or would you just accept someone saying that you need to be open minded to other people’s interpretations without any complaint? I don’t think it’s unreasonable or narrow-minded to ask people to engage in debate without making things up.
You yourself misinterpreted something I said a couple of pages back and even though both me and Val told you that you had misinterpreted my post, you refused to accept that that was the case IIRC. But no biggie, I was just teasing.
Have to be honest, literally no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m snarky in general, about all things. Hardly the only poster like that here (Jay and mfm come to mind). The idea that I’m rude about every criticism of the movie is absurd (especially when I myself don’t think it’s even close to perfect). I’ve barely debated the movie in here at all the last couple months because the arguments became circular and pointless. I’ve never succumbed to any name calling, generalizing, or even floated the mere possibility that if people didn’t like the movie they’re alt-right trolls.
It was adywan that brought up the alt-righters.
Fucking insane to me that I’m not allowed to defend a movie without being talked down to and generalized. The hypocrisy is stunning.
You talk to down to everyone else in the conversation so I don’t see why you’re complaining about being responded to the same way.
The Person in Question
Chill penguin
Okay
The responses to people on this site who politely comment on things they don’t like about the Disney movies are as intense as the PT fanbase’s denunciation of people who didn’t like the prequels back in the day.
The Person in Question
I’m snarky in general, about all things. Hardly the only poster like that here (Jay and mfm come to mind). The idea that I’m rude about every criticism of the movie is absurd (especially when I myself don’t think it’s even close to perfect). I’ve barely debated the movie in here at all the last couple months because the arguments became circular and pointless. I’ve never succumbed to any name calling, generalizing, or even floated the mere possibility that if people didn’t like the movie they’re alt-right trolls.
It was adywan that brought up the alt-righters.
Yet you said my “larger point seems to be that almost everyone loves the Disney Star Wars movies and anyone who has any real problem with them just has a massive stick up their ass or is an alt-right operative.” Which is in no way the case.
The responses to people on this site who politely comment on things they don’t like about the Disney movies are as intense as the PT fanbase’s denunciation of people who didn’t like the prequels back in the day.
Just because you keep repeating this claim doesn’t make it true.
Now THAT’s being open minded.
Care to clarify?
Relax, no one’s being open minded these days - and that wouldn’t be the “”"“solution”""" for you anyway. Maybe more patience? Or maybe accepting another interpretation of what’s been said?
Wasn’t mad at you, just legitimately confused. You made a very vague statement that seemingly had no bearing on the conversation, and I honestly had no idea how to respond without any further clarification.
Funny about patience because I’m actually very patient in real life, maybe you’re right though. I probably do have a lot less patience with people on the internet.
That being said, it’s weird to say I should be open to someone else’s interpretation of what I’ve said when they’re making me out to be some sort of maniacal douchebag, with plainly untrue reasoning.
It’s like if I said “Collipso is always arguing that people who like TLJ are paid Disney shills with no convictions or sense of taste.” Would you be justifiably miffed with that, or would you just accept someone saying that you need to be open minded to other people’s interpretations without any complaint? I don’t think it’s unreasonable or narrow-minded to ask people to engage in debate without making things up.
You yourself misinterpreted something I said a couple of pages back and even though both me and Val told you that you had misinterpreted my post, you refused to accept that that was the case IIRC. But no biggie, I was just teasing.
Have to be honest, literally no idea what you’re talking about.
You have a point. Have a good evening. 😃
Now THAT’s being open minded.
Care to clarify?
Relax, no one’s being open minded these days - and that wouldn’t be the “”"“solution”""" for you anyway. Maybe more patience? Or maybe accepting another interpretation of what’s been said?
Wasn’t mad at you, just legitimately confused. You made a very vague statement that seemingly had no bearing on the conversation, and I honestly had no idea how to respond without any further clarification.
Funny about patience because I’m actually very patient in real life, maybe you’re right though. I probably do have a lot less patience with people on the internet.
That being said, it’s weird to say I should be open to someone else’s interpretation of what I’ve said when they’re making me out to be some sort of maniacal douchebag, with plainly untrue reasoning.
It’s like if I said “Collipso is always arguing that people who like TLJ are paid Disney shills with no convictions or sense of taste.” Would you be justifiably miffed with that, or would you just accept someone saying that you need to be open minded to other people’s interpretations without any complaint? I don’t think it’s unreasonable or narrow-minded to ask people to engage in debate without making things up.
You yourself misinterpreted something I said a couple of pages back and even though both me and Val told you that you had misinterpreted my post, you refused to accept that that was the case IIRC. But no biggie, I was just teasing.
Have to be honest, literally no idea what you’re talking about.
You have a point. Have a good evening. 😃
How dare you, my point was terrible. Have a shit evening, never talk to me ever again.
The responses to people on this site who politely comment on things they don’t like about the Disney movies are as intense as the PT fanbase’s denunciation of people who didn’t like the prequels back in the day.
Just because you keep repeating this claim doesn’t make it true.
It was true before I said anything about it. It was obviously the case just after TFA came out.
I’ll also just remind you of your first post in this thread.
Yeah, okay… holy fucking shit!
JEDIT: haha of course you guys hated it, what else should I have expected from this joyless site
The Person in Question
What kind of evening would you like me to have if I may ask? I’m hoping for mediocre and uneventful
The responses to people on this site who politely comment on things they don’t like about the Disney movies are as intense as the PT fanbase’s denunciation of people who didn’t like the prequels back in the day.
Just because you keep repeating this claim doesn’t make it true.
It was true before I said anything about it. It was obviously the case just after TFA came out.
I’ll also just remind you of your first post in this thread.
Yeah, okay… holy fucking shit!
JEDIT: haha of course you guys hated it, what else should I have expected from this joyless site
Lot of those early complaints wouldn’t be what I would call “polite.” And I stand by the claim that this is a (relatively) joyless site. People love more than anything to bitch and moan here (not just about TLJ and not just about SW). It can be quite draining. I will say of course that is not something unique to this site, it’s quite common all over the internet. I’m not a fan of endless negativity in general, and I wouldn’t say me pointing that out is particularly “intense.”