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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 127

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Collipso said:

Dom, do you not think you’re going out of your way to defend a stupid sequence?

No. I agree with Dom’s disagreement about it as well. All of what he said.

To me, BB-8 in this movie was some droid factory material from AotC, especially […] the weaponized coins.

You mean like how R2 spits out mud from his dome in ESB; or how R2 accidentally pokes 3PO in the foot with his plasma torch in ESB; or how R2 chases and arc-electrocutes an Ewok in ROTJ?

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I agree I didn’t really care for the BB-8 antics in this movie. In TFA, he was perfect. In this movie, he was prequel R2-D2. I immediately got worried in the opening fight when he was using his little robot fingers to plug up the short circuits in the X-Wing. And the AT-ST thing was stupid as well, and the suggested alteration would have probably helped significantly. But I actually didn’t mind the coin stuff as much. As I told other people, that was right on the line for me.

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TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

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The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.

You’re wrong, Frink, because I liked the alien putting the coins in BB-8. I did though.

Is there anything about TLJ we agree on?!?!

Really! Maybe everything you didn’t like in the movie are the only things I like.

I do think they went a little too far with BB-8 but not really out of character from TFA. (Oh no, are we going to now talk about whether the droids have been perfectly in character from movie-to-movie?)

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yhwx said:

I didn’t see it as much as “a new hope,” more that Luke’s legend continues. The new hope that we have is Rey.

Fair enough…

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TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

I can maybe understand this, but you wouldn’t have the sound of coins jangling inside of him later, which I found really funny.

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doubleofive said:

TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

you wouldn’t have the sound of coins jangling inside of him later, which I found really funny.

Same. And I don’t really see what was wrong with Prequel R2 other than that his OT-self didn’t have/use rocket thrusters. It was Prequel 3PO that was the turd sandwich.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

doubleofive said:

TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

you wouldn’t have the sound of coins jangling inside of him later, which I found really funny.

Same.

I assume that BB-8 is mostly storage space based on this scene.

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Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.

You’re wrong, Frink, because I liked the alien putting the coins in BB-8. I did though.

Is there anything about TLJ we agree on?!?!

Really! Maybe everything you didn’t like in the movie are the only things I like.

I do think they went a little too far with BB-8 but not really out of character from TFA. (Oh no, are we going to now talk about whether the droids have been perfectly in character from movie-to-movie?)

Can I call him Bea Bea Seven? 'Cause BB-8 would never act like this!

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doubleofive said:

TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

I can maybe understand this, but you wouldn’t have the sound of coins jangling inside of him later, which I found really funny.

BB-8 would never eat coins…but Bea Bea Seven sure would!

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TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.

You’re wrong, Frink, because I liked the alien putting the coins in BB-8. I did though.

Is there anything about TLJ we agree on?!?!

Really! Maybe everything you didn’t like in the movie are the only things I like.

I do think they went a little too far with BB-8 but not really out of character from TFA. (Oh no, are we going to now talk about whether the droids have been perfectly in character from movie-to-movie?)

Can I call him Bea Bea Seven? 'Cause BB-8 would never act like this!

Can we call her Bea Bea Seven…

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DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

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DrDre said:

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Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.

“The Rebellion is reborn today.”

The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.

Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.

If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.

First of all, the FO does not control the galaxy yet. They are in the process of picking up the pieces during the course of TLJ, that is why the quest for Luke is so dire (Rey states this outright in the film). Their ruling style is irrelevant. They are a fascist regime that favors the wealthy and corrupt. The only way the gain power is by leveling whole communities. The goal is to stop them before they can take full control.

And the allies didn’t answer because “the spark has gone out.” Luke reignited the spark. That’s literally the whole point of the climax.

According to the info from the film, the FO will take full control in weeks. That seems a very short time frame for our miniscule group of rebels.

But don’t you understand that it’s not just the “minuscule” group anymore by the end because of Luke?

Rebellions require organisation, a base of operations, personel, extensive training, equipment, and financial resources to support all of the previous. Boys with brooms ain’t gonna cut it. That’s an other thing TLJ threw out of the window, a sense of realism in conflicts, and a sense of scale and time. The FO almost instanteneously wiped out the New Republic at the start of FO, and now the Rebellion has to be rebuild from scratch, much like at the end of ROTS. It took the Alliance two decades to build their organisation between the PT and the OT, but I’m sure by episode IX there will be a full fledged Rebel Alliance ready to resume control of the galaxy, where if the film adhered to previous Star Wars continuity, Rey should be looking for the next new hope.

This conversation is literally going in circles.

So here’s what I said a few posts ago:

Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.

For one the idea that Luke inspired a significant number of star systems to rise up against the FO is an assumption. Most star systems are probably too afraid to act, or even be associated with the Resistance. Inspiration isn’t going to protect them from the FO’s acts of retalliation, should they discover a star system is supporting the Reistance. Luke’s bold gesture may ahve inspired children, but in the grand scheme of things, it has achieved nothing of military value. The FO is as strong as ever, and will be consolidating their power, while the Resistance is decimated to the point, that they have no personal, funds, and equipment.

Secondly, even if several systems were inspired, they can’t openly support the new rebellion. Just like after the rise of the Empire a rebellion will have to be organized out of whole cloth. From the ROTS book and deleted scenes, we know that the first seeds of rebellion were sown the moment Palpatine introduced his new Empire. These were some powerful and influencial people, backed by some powerful and influential systems, but it took them twenty years to fully form the Alliance, and to become a significant threat to the Empire’s power structure. Like I said, if ep. IX adheres to Star Wars continuity (which it won’t), it would take up to two decades to reform a full fledged Alliance, in which case Rey would not be the next Luke, but the next Obi-Wan.

You obviously take a lot of time to think about these posts but tbh I feel that you are trying to inject too much detail into off camera action that we don’t know is happening. It’s a movie that many times showed rather than told. I appreciate your posts so please do not misunderstand me.

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Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

The coins are dumb too. I’ll have to watch the scene again but I’d like to remove that bit if possible, which would also allow the removal of the dumb CGI alien that feeds the coins into him in the first place. I liked most of the humor in TLJ but that bit didn’t work for me.

With that said, I think I would have been fine with the walker scene if they never tore off the head, and just had a quick shot of him manipulating it via data port.

You’re wrong, Frink, because I liked the alien putting the coins in BB-8. I did though.

Is there anything about TLJ we agree on?!?!

Really! Maybe everything you didn’t like in the movie are the only things I like.

I do think they went a little too far with BB-8 but not really out of character from TFA. (Oh no, are we going to now talk about whether the droids have been perfectly in character from movie-to-movie?)

Can I call him Bea Bea Seven? 'Cause BB-8 would never act like this!

Can we call her Bea Bea Seven…

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Yes, I’m a defender of this movie but I cant defend BB-8 in the Scout Walker. It was poorly done both in concept and in execution, looked very CG and phony.

BB-8 with the coins… hmmm not quite as egregious and did get a smile out of me, but even so I get the feeling that pretty much every fanedit will remove that moment.

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TV’s Frink said:

What was the jingling part again?

All the coins that were put into BB-8 at the casino by a drunk gambler.

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I believe the CGI alien that put coins in BB8 is Mark Hamill. I read that somewhere. Is that right?

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Creox said:

TV’s Frink said:

What was the jingling part again?

All the coins that were put into BB-8 at the casino by a drunk gambler.

No I know I mean what was the funny part regarding the coins jingling. As opposed to the part where the alien puts the coins in, or the part where he shoots them at the security guards.

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Collipso said:

I believe the CGI alien that put coins in BB8 is Mark Hamill. I read that somewhere. Is that right?

That’s speculation, which I doubt because it doesn’t say anything.

I’m pretty sure Hamill voices the first alien we see on Canto Bight (the mustache twirling one on the yacht). But I don’t think they’ve revealed anything officially.

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TV’s Frink said:

Creox said:

TV’s Frink said:

What was the jingling part again?

All the coins that were put into BB-8 at the casino by a drunk gambler.

No I know I mean what was the funny part regarding the coins jingling. As opposed to the part where the alien puts the coins in, or the part where he shoots them at the security guards.

It’s kinda subtle, but in every scene with BB-8 in between when the alien slots the coins in and BB shoots them out, when he moves around you can hear jingling.

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DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

I believe the CGI alien that put coins in BB8 is Mark Hamill. I read that somewhere. Is that right?

That’s speculation, which I doubt because it doesn’t say anything.

I’m pretty sure Hamill voices the first alien we see on Canto Bight (the mustache twirling one on the yacht). But I don’t think they’ve revealed anything officially.

No, I read about it around Christmas, right before I saw the movie the second time. You can hear that the alien is voiced by Hamill.