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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS ** — Page 46

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That’s just the worst Sith name in the long, sad, dumb history of bad Sith names.

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Pontius Pilate says :

He has a wife you know… you know what she’s called…?

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Also, I saw TFA for the fourth time tonight and my enthusiasm just refuses to be deflated. I love this movie, and I’m thinking I might need to embark on a voluntary exile from these boards until passions aren’t running so high, because a lot of you are bumming me the hell out. I’ll be on an island with a bunch of neat stairs and huts and shit lookin’ at the water if anyone needs me. Or the AV Club. Probably more likely the AV Club.

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Yeah, just stay out of the threads then. 😃

I’m coming from the opposite end of the spectrum. I can see how fans think TFA is a fun movie, and they like it, problems be damned. The second time I saw it, after I already knew the plot was junk, I enjoyed it for what it was … a cheap but fun ripoff.

People who say TFA is a good movie, on the other hand, I think they are bad critics and should feel bad.

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Yoda Is Your Father said:

Mithrandir said:

TV’s Frink said:

complaints about “lighting” are silly IMO.

Even if no one goes to the cinema and choses the movie based on its lighting; cinema is a visual art which has internal codes that make it a language; and therefore it can be evaluated according to those parameters. So it’s not a silly complaint. It’s just pointing out a detail for those who valorate the importance of details.

Do you think it was casual that the previous shot of Vader saying I’m your father was a contrapiccato, conveying more power, and that the one where he says it is weighted to the left making it unbalanced? That the final celebration in ANH was shot mainly using centered perspectives with bright spots eclipsing the vanishing points, evoking order? Do you think the sensation at the opening of ANH would have been the same had the gigant ship flew below the camera (casting no shadow) instead of over it?

Who needs film school when you can just hop onto /this site/ and learn everything you need to know about lighting, screenwriting and the rest.

I apologize if the post felt arrogant; I did not mean to lecture anyone at all. As a non native english speaker I can assure there is a lot of room for misunderstanding; specially when it comes to idiomatic expressions. In any case, the “do you think” wasn’t meant to be accusative or inquisitive but rethorical.

Apart from that, I regard any critic to be valid as long as it stands on a relatively deep justification. To keep those critics to oneself just not to be criticized would make a place like the forum loose its whole point which is to share opinions and thoughts.

I’d rather have a long-texts boring forum than non forum at all. But that’s my opinion.

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Alderaan said:
People who say TFA is a good movie, on the other hand, I think they are bad critics and should feel bad.

And on the other side of the spectrum I find you insane for even thinking that. I also find a lot of the arguments against TFA are little more than nitpicks (with the exception of it being similar to ANH but even that doesn’t equate to much because the movies feel completely different.). I also find it humorous that the main complaint is “It’s too much like ANH; I wish they would do something new” then usually those same people are the ones who complain about everything new Disney did.

Funny we can see exactly the same thing but come out on completely opposite sides.

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Alderaan said:

Yeah, just stay out of the threads then. 😃

I’m coming from the opposite end of the spectrum. I can see how fans think TFA is a fun movie, and they like it, problems be damned. The second time I saw it, after I already knew the plot was junk, I enjoyed it for what it was … a cheap but fun ripoff.

People who say TFA is a good movie, on the other hand, I think they are bad critics and should feel bad.

Feel bad about what? Having an opinion that’s the opposite of yours? It’s a free country, unless you’re not in a free country, in which case you have bigger problems than arguing over a movie. 😉

Where were you in '77?

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SilverWook said:

Feel bad about what? Having an opinion that’s the opposite of yours?

No. Having an opinion that is the opposite of the right one. 😉

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Alderaan said:

SilverWook said:

Feel bad about what? Having an opinion that’s the opposite of yours?

No. Having an opinion that is the opposite of the right one. 😉

Opinions are subjective so there can’t be no right or wrong.

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Alderaan said:

Yoda Is Your Father said:

TV’s Frink said:

But complaints about “lighting” are silly IMO.

Short of going back in time and shooting the movie in the late 70s, TFA was never going to sit perfectly alongside the OT visually.

If you take out garbage like the rathtars and Snoke, the look of the film was actually one of the very best parts.

TFA looked like a modern Star Wars movie to me.

Exactly. It’s a modern Star Wars movie, it looks as old school and Star Wars-y as it can without looking out of date.

Rathtars… Probably my least favourite thing about TFA.

War does not make one great.

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joefavs said:

Also, I saw TFA for the fourth time tonight and my enthusiasm just refuses to be deflated. I love this movie, and I’m thinking I might need to embark on a voluntary exile from these boards until passions aren’t running so high, because a lot of you are bumming me the hell out. I’ll be on an island with a bunch of neat stairs and huts and shit lookin’ at the water if anyone needs me. Or the AV Club. Probably more likely the AV Club.

I’ve seen it 3 times and my enthusiasm hasn’t deflated either. I’m saving my fourth viewing for later this week when the back-to-work January blues really sink in and I need a pick-me-up.

War does not make one great.

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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

Curious - why do people dislike the rathtars?

Me too, they’re not that much weirder than what we’ve seen before in the SW universe. Also it’s one if the few scenes in TFA that’s not borrowed from ANH.

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I’ve mentioned it before, but in my opinion, most* of the time, when there’s an animalistic berserk animal in Star Wars, you don’t see the entirety of it. You just get just enough of the creature to sell the illusion it’s a real threatening monster. That’s why the SE monsters feel so out of place and cheap, like the Sarlacc beak addition. You see way too much of it! In TFA, you see those CGI monsters in all its glory in a hyperactive manner. Then it goes even further to let this CGI creation physically drag one of our main characters around in similar manner you’d see in Men in Black as a gag.

*I suppose the only exception would be the space slug

The Rise of Failures

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Lord Haseo said:

  1. They weren’t necessary

You could apply this dumb argument to just about anything. You could even say that TFA wasn’t necessary.

  1. Obviously CG

Nothing wrong with CGI.

  1. Didn’t really mold in well with the rest of the movie.

Your opinion.

真実

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TavorX said:

I’ve mentioned it before, but in my opinion, most* of the time, when there’s an animalistic berserk animal in Star Wars, you don’t see the entirety of it. You just get just enough of the creature to sell the illusion it’s a real threatening monster. That’s why the SE monsters feel so out of place and cheap, like the Sarlacc beak addition. You see way too much of it! In TFA, you see those CGI monsters in all its glory in a hyperactive manner. Then it goes even further to let this CGI creation physically drag one of our main characters around in similar manner you’d see in Men in Black as a gag.

This guy wasn’t exactly subtle.

Lord Haseo said:

  1. They weren’t necessary

Rancor wasn’t really that necessary either.

Now I’m not saying the Rathars scene was brilliant, I just don’t see how it’s so un-Star-Warsy. It serves pretty much the same purpose the Rancor, and even to some degree the space-slug, did. It adds some action to the movie. The Rathat’s scene however was simply meant to be a bit more funny, unlike the previous monsters. Just because we haven’t seen a “funny” monster in SW doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing.
(PS. the Wampas was originally meant to have a few funny moments in the deleted scenes from ESB where they attack Echo base, are locked in a room, and eventually released on the stormtroopers by C-3PO.)

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imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

  1. They weren’t necessary

You could apply this dumb argument to just about anything. You could even say that TFA wasn’t necessary.

It doesn’t move the overall plot forward thus it’s unessessary in my opinion. The only purpose it serves is to establish that Han really did revert back to his old ways

Nothing wrong with CGI.

Nothing is wrong with CG if I can’t tell it’s CG

Your opinion.

Yep and I respect your perspective too.