The Empire Strikes Back is a "junk movie" — Page 4

Bingowings said:

There's the bit where Obi-Wan is being shown around the cloning facility by that New Zealand supermodel.

You see the babies in little lightbulb things and she explains they use accelerated aging and education machines to get the troops to be mature enough to fight in a short period of time.

So yes it's a production line just like the droids.

In other words-the Old republic had child soldiers.........

Hmm, that sounds so moral and nice and alright and good!!!!!!!!

1990osu said:

Now you're pushing it;)

No, i just don't understand the storyline......

Father Skywalker said:

In other words-the Old republic had child soldiers.........

Hmm, that sounds so moral and nice and alright and good!!!!!!!!

Technically speaking yes and if we are meant to care for Artoo and Threepio were should also care for the sapient machines in the Confederate Army too.

They are programmed to kill they have no choice.

Yet we are supposed to cheer the Jedi (with their brainwashed child warrior monk novices) as they slice them into bits while they make weird comic sounds.

It's really hard to like the PT Republic.

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

I don't like episode 5 because of all of the totally confusing and random plot holes, like, no mention of any planets that the second death star had destroyed yet, or was planning to destroy........

Have you even seen these movies or are you just trolling? I'd say the latter because no one can be that stupid

You type this but you have been on the internet.

Such things are possible.

Trust me.

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

I don't like episode 5 because of all of the totally confusing and random plot holes, like, no mention of any planets that the second death star had destroyed yet, or was planning to destroy........

Have you even seen these movies or are you just trolling? I'd say the latter because no one can be that stupid

I aint trolling..... Trolling is when u type in stuff for the sake of getting other users pissed off and annoyed for the hell of it.... I have no reason to do that, i aint in the mood to do that now, and even if I was, I wouldn't do it, because I dont want to get banned. I was banned off of Jedi Council Forums, and halo forums by the mods there, and the ratchet and clank insomniac forums too, so, even if I wanted to, I would not troll anywhere, especially in a fun site like this one......

I am just confused at the star wars storyline..... For instance, the Death Star's usage, etc......

Bingowings said:

Father Skywalker said:

In other words-the Old republic had child soldiers.........

Hmm, that sounds so moral and nice and alright and good!!!!!!!!

Technically speaking yes and if we are meant to care for Artoo and Threepio were should also care for the sapient machines in the Confederate Army too.

They are programmed to kill they have no choice.

Yet we are supposed to cheer the Jedi (with their brainwashed child warrior monk novices) as they slice them into bits while they make weird comic sounds.

It's really hard to like the PT Republic.

Sapient machines??? They were just droids and robots, disposable objects . I have a theory that George Lucas made the Confederacy of independent systems (oh, such an American Civil War allegory-they wanted to leave the Union/USA-oh, I mean the galactic Republic), have an army of droids and robots so that he didn't actually have to show real people/soldiers getting killed in war, to make it light-hearted for the little kids/children who watch star wars, they just see people fighting robots, cartoonish fantasy violence, not like the true horrors of war......

At the beginning of ROTJ Vader turns up to give the Moff the bad news that he can't have more men until he gets the second Death Star working.

So it couldn't have blown up anything around the time of ESB because it wouldn't be operational yet.

Wexter said:

Father Skywalker said:

Wexter said:

Father Skywalker said:

I aint sure if cloning is immoral or moral, that depends on what the laws/government says and what your religion says.....

Then i am glad we have the constitution and The Bible, otherwise I would just walk around killing people without thinking twice about that.

Cloning is not immoral in and of itself (by that logic, having twins and triplet babies is immoral and evil and wrong!!!!!); it's is only wrong if it violates the laws and rules of the nation/country that you live in, or it goes against your faith or spirituality or religion the god that you love and trust and believe in.........

I appreciate your sarcasm though!!!!!

 

I am just saying that the idea of manufacturing human beings for fighting and dying in battles would not generally be considered alright. It is a prime example of how the prequel star wars galaxy (and apparently you as well) is removed from general humanity and common sense.

Good observation, good point.......

Also, how can I quote more than one other user in a single post???? I hate, I can't stand, double posting and triple posting!!!!

Bingowings said:

At the beginning of ROTJ Vader turns up to give the Moff the bad news that he can't have more men until he gets the second Death Star working.

So it couldn't have blown up anything around the time of ESB because it wouldn't be operational yet.

I know that already, but just because it wasn't around yet that didn't mean that it was totally irrelevant to the plot yet..... The rebellion alliance were trying to stop the bad guys from blowing up planets with it-yet, when Luke Skywalker refused to join Darth Vader, he never said "I'll never destroy planets with you"......

Yet, in episode 5, they never mentioned saving any planets; and that's is my point here........

the.darkside.is.fun, amiright Father Skywalker?

Father Skywalker said:

Bingowings said:

Father Skywalker said:

In other words-the Old republic had child soldiers.........

Hmm, that sounds so moral and nice and alright and good!!!!!!!!

Technically speaking yes and if we are meant to care for Artoo and Threepio were should also care for the sapient machines in the Confederate Army too.

They are programmed to kill they have no choice.

Yet we are supposed to cheer the Jedi (with their brainwashed child warrior monk novices) as they slice them into bits while they make weird comic sounds.

It's really hard to like the PT Republic.

Sapient machines??? They were just droids and robots, disposable objects . I have a theory that George Lucas made the Confederacy of independent systems (oh, such an American Civil War allegory-they wanted to leave the Union/USA-oh, I mean the galactic Republic), have an army of droids and robots so that he didn't actually have to show real people/soldiers getting killed in war, to make it light-hearted for the little kids/children who watch star wars, they just see people fighting robots, cartoonish fantasy violence, not like the true horrors of war......

Yes but Artoo and Threepio are fully fleshed out characters that we are meant to care about.

They have independent internal lives.

If we are meant to care about them, we should extend that same level of personality to all the droids in the series that seem to fall into the same classification.

The Federation Battledroids annoying as they are also have independent lives.

They talk to each other when they don't need to for example.

Therefore they are mechanical slaves in the same way that the clones are biological machines.

It's the lack of depth in the PT and ROTJ that's the problem.

We see Artoo and Threepio as people (something even the heroes often fail to do).

The line when they enter the Cantina in the first film is an indication that their low status is something we should notice.

This is blown out of the water however when we have the comedy torture scene in ROTJ.

Father Skywalker said:

Bingowings said:

At the beginning of ROTJ Vader turns up to give the Moff the bad news that he can't have more men until he gets the second Death Star working.

So it couldn't have blown up anything around the time of ESB because it wouldn't be operational yet.

I know that already, but just because it wasn't around yet that didn't mean that it was totally irrelevant to the plot yet..... The rebellion alliance were trying to stop the bad guys from blowing up planets with it-yet, when Luke Skywalker refused to join Darth Vader, he never said "I'll never destroy planets with you"......

Yet, in episode 5, they never mentioned saving any planets; and that's is my point here........

Tony Todd would.

TV's Frink said:

the.darkside.is.fun, amiright Father Skywalker?

Umm, ok, i still dont get your ur point, but OK........

Bingowings said:

Father Skywalker said:

Bingowings said:

Father Skywalker said:

In other words-the Old republic had child soldiers.........

Hmm, that sounds so moral and nice and alright and good!!!!!!!!

Technically speaking yes and if we are meant to care for Artoo and Threepio were should also care for the sapient machines in the Confederate Army too.

They are programmed to kill they have no choice.

Yet we are supposed to cheer the Jedi (with their brainwashed child warrior monk novices) as they slice them into bits while they make weird comic sounds.

It's really hard to like the PT Republic.

Sapient machines??? They were just droids and robots, disposable objects . I have a theory that George Lucas made the Confederacy of independent systems (oh, such an American Civil War allegory-they wanted to leave the Union/USA-oh, I mean the galactic Republic), have an army of droids and robots so that he didn't actually have to show real people/soldiers getting killed in war, to make it light-hearted for the little kids/children who watch star wars, they just see people fighting robots, cartoonish fantasy violence, not like the true horrors of war......

Yes but Artoo and Threepio are fully fleshed out characters that we are meant to care about.

They have independent internal lives.

If we are meant to care about them, we should extend that same level of personality to all the droids in the series that seem to fall into the same classification.

The Federation Battledroids annoying as they are also have independent lives.

They talk to each other when they don't need to for example.

Therefore they are mechanical slaves in the same way that the clones are biological machines.

It's the lack of depth in the PT and ROTJ that's the problem.

We see Artoo and Threepio as people (something even the heroes often fail to do).

The line when they enter the Cantina in the first film is an indication that their low status is something we should notice.

This is blown out of the water however when we have the comedy torture scene in ROTJ.

Not sure if troll

Or is a conspiracy theorist with crazy fan theories 

Bingowings said:

Father Skywalker said:

Bingowings said:

At the beginning of ROTJ Vader turns up to give the Moff the bad news that he can't have more men until he gets the second Death Star working.

So it couldn't have blown up anything around the time of ESB because it wouldn't be operational yet.

I know that already, but just because it wasn't around yet that didn't mean that it was totally irrelevant to the plot yet..... The rebellion alliance were trying to stop the bad guys from blowing up planets with it-yet, when Luke Skywalker refused to join Darth Vader, he never said "I'll never destroy planets with you"......

Yet, in episode 5, they never mentioned saving any planets; and that's is my point here........

Tony Todd would.

Tony Stark would.........

Father Skywalker said:

TV's Frink said:

the.darkside.is.fun, amiright Father Skywalker?

Umm, ok, i still dont get your ur point, but OK........

Oh, I think you do.

I think I see what you are doing, twofour.